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by Brian Zerkel
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I've been asked to write some editorial pieces, so any opinions I express in them are my own and not necessarily those of HDForums.

So, with that being said, let's take a look at the current argument of who is a real rider and who is not. It's become a non-stop argument in the forum, and I think it deserves a semi objective look from someone who has ridden for a very long time.

Once upon a time, long long ago, in an America far far away... everyone who rode a motorcycle was considered a real rider. Didn't matter what make of motorcycle you owned--if you rode it, you were a rider. There were never arguments about how far you rode a year, or whether trailering was allowed and what not.

The internet didn't exist, and cell phones were the size of my left arm. People didn't argue over such trivial things at the bar or at rallies. Riding was something everyone had in common, and that in itself made it a brotherhood. Harley guys taunted Jap riders, and vice versa, sure, but most of it was in good fun back then, and everyone was considered equal. Riding burned inside of us, and it was a feeling we all shared.

Then came the 90's with fashion riding, the internet and anonymous opinions. Suddenly if you rode a motorcycle and ventured onto the web, you were immediately judged by your online peers on whether or not you fit the criteria of a "real rider".

When I first joined HDForums, I was called a poser and quite a few other things, even though I had 30 years of riding under my belt, had owned numerous motorcycles and had done questionable motorcycle related activities. I was immediately labeled "not a real rider", much to my dismay. It was my first introduction to the "who's a real rider" mentality that exists in places across the internet. I was completely disheartened that the Harley community had downgraded itself to this level.

It's an argument that still exists today, primarily online. Don't ride more than 5K a year? Trailer your bike to events or places? Weekend Warrior? You'll probably be branded "not a real rider" by quite a few of your peers.

I'm sure there are many people who have that burning desire to ride but just can't get very many miles in during a year. If I worked full-time, I wouldn't be able to get in very many miles either. You just can't blame a working man for not being able to ride as much as he would like to. In a perfect world we would all be able to ride as much as we wanted, but we all know that isn't the case. Does that mean the working man is not a real rider?

Now let me get to the subject of trailering and hauling. Truth was, if you owned pretty much any bike from back in the day, it would eventually end up on a trailer or in the back of a pickup. This used to be a simple fact of life that we all pretty much rode with. Whether it was Harley or Japanese, most bikes of that era had occasional problems and would end up going for a ride without the wheels touching the ground. Bikes were often hauled to events and rodeos as well, and no one ever thought a thing about it. Nowadays though, you're just setting yourself up for ridicule.

Recently, someone posted about a man that had ridden around many national sites, but had trailered his bike to these locations. Some of us found no fault with it, while others were quick to jump on the man. What does it matter if he trailered his bike to these places? Does it make him less of a rider, even though he had that burning desire to ride his motorcycle while he was there?

My friend and I talk about trailering during our many motorcycle related Friday night chats. He has told me he would have no problem trailering his bike to a far away destination, and wouldn't care about what anyone thought about him doing it. I have to agree with him. There are places I would love to ride, but if I had the opportunity to take a camper or needed more equipment than I could carry, I wouldn't hesitate to strap the bike down and take off.

I don't believe there is such a thing as a "real rider". If someone owns a motorcycle and enjoys riding it, then he's a rider. Webster's Dictionary defines it that way, and so do I. We are all riders, regardless of how far we go in a year, or if we take our bikes with us on vacation as opposed to riding them to our destination.

It's time for the motorcycle community to stop being so judgmental, and to start acting like a community of people who ride.

So can we finally put an end to this lingering debate? Shout off in the Forums!

 

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Benoît Le Claire (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:03:59 -0800): Trailers are for boats ..............

Luis E. Gomez (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:33:33 -0800): That´s true

David Gorring (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:16:42 -0800): Trailers are for landscaper and trash haulers.

Tim LeClair (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:46:36 -0800): Which trailer hauled your bike to the dealer when it was new the landscaper or the trash hauler? There are trailers for all type of hauling. And what people haul in or on them is their business.

Jake Blanton (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:24:13 -0800): I actually hauled one of my bikes in a cattle trailer a few decades ago because I had a significantly dented front mag wheel (hit a chunk of concrete in the road) and it caused all the air to go out of my front tire... Took it home, beat the mag back into shape and it held air... Flats are no fun on bikes...

Paul Williams (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:18:09 -0800): Don't you mean "biker"? Everyone that rides a bike is a rider but does it make them a biker? I for one believe there is a difference.

John Westlake (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:03:32 -0800): I think that is the real debate, and he doesn't even realize it. If you own a bike and ride, that's fine. You are a "rider" or better yet, a "motorcycle enthusiast." But there are folks who eat, live, and breath the biker lifestyle. And I'm not talking the "90's fashion biker." There are riders, and there are bikers. Two different animals. If I need to explain, you wouldn't understand.

Brad N Starlene Woods (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:27:17 -0800): Lmao.You people kill me.If you like riding who gives a dam what your called? I know I don't! I ride when I have the freedom and time and if other "bikers or riders"Don't like it they can kiss my ass!

Ted Mumford (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:34:10 -0800): Everyone is different. I don't tend to ride much in my day to day life, but I do several 2-3k distance rides per year. I have friends that don't do distance rides at all, but ride everyday to work and back. I must admit though... I get a bit twitchy when I see someone come in to a run with a bright shiny trailered bike after I just rode mine 1500 miles to get there. I don't judge them though. Really it just makes me feel sad for what they have missed. Distance riding is truly food for the soul. To each their own though. I still consider them riders.

Michael King (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:50:35 -0800): well said Ted....A dirty bike with a few dings...is a bike that is a road warrior......

Ted Mumford (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:57:29 -0800): Michael King I should have added that having good riding buddies makes it all the better. Bad riding companions can equal a crappy run.... right Gandolf!?

Ted Mumford (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:48:50 -0800): Tyler Rosenbecker Kudos to you, Tyler! That was the sentiment that I was trying to convey. Everyone rides when they can and as often as they can. In my opinion, anyone who rides a motorcycle is a 'real' rider. I wave to all. I'm heading to Canada in June and then heading out on a run later this summer through Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, and wherever else we feel like riding. I'm always looking to meet and ride with new people. If you were to be in that area around that time, I would buy you a beer and call you "friend". Keep the dirty side down.

Billy Jack (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:37:53 -0800): Waste of five minutes reading this I logged 3500 miles in my first 3 months of riding but since the weather is not cooperating. I am trailering "old black betty". To a warm southern destination. Billy jack

Roger D. Briney (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:39:58 -0800): I recently rode, alone, from the east coast to Montana and back. I slept in my tent more times than a room. But! I did get a room once in a while to get a soft bed and a hot shower so I guess I'm not a "real rider"..... I have rode several hundred miles to an event and I have also trailered to events cause I wanted my beach/fishing stuff too, I guess I'm not a "real rider". I don't give a crap what some of you think about my riding or trailering. Mind your own crap and unless I interject my business in your life stay out of mine. This article hit the nail right on the head. And yes, we all know there are some people that think they are much more important in life than others. As long a person rides safe and ethical I’ll ride with anyone.

Robin Lynne McKenney (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:27:35 -0800): I think you're a "real rider" Roger!!

Roxann Suits (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:50:01 -0800): Well put, Roger!

Ray Slinky Frizzell (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:46:54 -0800): What about trikes? Its now legal to pass a DMV test and get your motorcycle license on a trike without knowing how to balance, lean or counter-steer a 2-wheeled motorcycle.

Rick Stephens Jr (Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:41:07 -0800): Tyler Rosenbecker Amen brother. Been riding since I was 13. Started on a 80cc Yamaha. Now ride an '05 Ultra with 76K miles. When my legs and back tell me that the Ultra is too much, a trike will be under my tailbone and the wind will still be in my face.

Adam Guatney (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:48:53 -0800): sun, rain, snow, sleet.....I''m on my bike everyday. Hell, had to scrap the frost and ice off this morning before riding in. I don't care what anyone wants to call me, I'm on bike either way.

Andy Rowe (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:37:08 -0800): You're not a Real Rider if you ride less than I do, own a motorcycle newer than mine, make more money than me, have a prettier wife, better son, bigger house... you get the drift. LET"S JUST RIDE! If you're on the road when I am, I'll wave to you, even if you're on a jap Bike ;o).

Nick Boyd (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:06:43 -0800): i don't care if you own a moped...

Steve Radogna (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:30:27 -0800): LOL, Nick I do the same. The look on the faces of some of the Vespa/Moped riders when I wave at them from my Harley is priceless. Enjoy the ride!

Jeff Taylor (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:40:00 -0800): Steve, I do that as well. They usually look a bit shocked, but they are on two wheels and maybe, just maybe, that is their start in the motorcycle world. Being nice doesn't cost a thing.

Steve Radogna (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:49:07 -0800): Jeff Taylor - Yup, worked for me, I started on a Honda 200 that was just a step above a Vespa, then moved to some rocket fast Kawasaki's and Yamahas, now I'm settled in on my Harley Street Glide. And as much as I LOVE my Street Glide, I equally enjoyed every ride, just different stages in life. Once you ride 2 wheels, cagers are never the same.

Ken Houston (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:31:20 -0800): Steve Radogna I wave at everyone. even the ones I don't like, lol. I started on a 60cc Bridgestone that would run out from under you in a heartbeat. I do have to admit I've never ridden a Honda. Owned one, but never rode it, lol. Rode all the other japs though. I even rode a Harley moped a couple of times. Would love to have a Ducati. That said. When I first started riding Harleys 30+ years ago most of the jerks I met were on japs, now it is reversed.

Larry N Peggy Boone (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:16:12 -0800): We wave at all BIKES, heck we've even waved back by Law Enforcement BIKERS. Like we say, "LETS RIDE & HAVE FUN"

Will Stocks (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:38:51 -0800): I bought my 09 FLHX and put over 32 thousand miles on it the first year I had it, I don't consider myself special or fit into anyones brand of a rider. I ride becouse I love the wind in my face and the special feeling I get when I am rideing my bike. I have friends who have bought there first ever Harley and all of the sudden they grow a go-t and get a HD tattoo......All the sudden they think there bad? I really don't care, I ride becouse I want to, I consider myself lucky enough to have a bike. I am not a bad ass, I do not follow anyone and I do what I want when I want....I Ride.

Jim Foster (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:10:37 -0800): Amen Will, I ride for my pleasure and for the friends I meet along the way.

Will Stocks (Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:13:22 -0800): Thats the best rideing there is Jim.

Debbie Basham Gardner (Sun, 11 Dec 2011 03:23:20 -0800): Ditto, well said Will...I work over 50 hours a week and put anywhere from 20,000-30,000 miles on my bike per year...I just love to ride..every chance I get, the experience of the ride is awesome..

Jeff Palicki (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:53:23 -0800): Rode 35 years, never fell/hit anything. 5000 miles minimum and NO TRAILERS makes one a "Rider". If you've never been wet from rain, too cold, or had to pee, then you've never experienced "Riding". The photo with this story on HD Forums makes me laugh.

Omer Alencon Fournier III (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:14:23 -0800): Will, you are a guy with style. Your comment said it all!

Marty Nichols (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:47:38 -0800): It's more the human condition than anything. Everyone wants to be liked. Whether they admit it or not is another story. The interesting part is how the tables have turned in the area of perception. Suddenly the non-conformists want you to conform to their ideals, and in turn validate their own self image. Basically like Schu stated, they become what they use to despise. More than anything else, it's just sad.

Joseph Adriatico Caricungan (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:01:17 -0800): I ride everywhere...why? Because its my only means of transportation...and yes I wave at everybody even the old lady going down the street on her little rascal! LOL

Robert J. Swarm (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:34:41 -0800): Actually, You have not experienced real riding until you own a Victory. : )

Dennis Miller (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:39:48 -0800): I did not spend 25K on a bike to trailer it around. It's that simple..

Jesse Alma (Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:11:25 -0800): All it should matter if u love to ride I have 87 flhtc that's I been repairing since a lot shop don't want work on my bike I miss riding.

Chip Thompson (Sat, 10 Dec 2011 03:02:54 -0800): Interesting that the criteria of a Real Biker changes, Used to be if you rode something with electric start, or shock absorbers you wern't a real biker. Evidently your not a real biker, if you don't give a damn about being a real biker.

Brian Zerkel (Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:36:55 -0800): Glad I wasted 5 minutes of your time, Billy.

Jim Shively (Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:40:10 -0800): hey guys.... intersting debate... I'm a freind of brians and I have a CBR. I don't get out near what I would like but do whenever I can steal a chance too. I wave at everyone and enjoy the idea of the brotherhood that comes with riding, but do notice a number of harley riders that cant be bothered to wave. wether they are just that way or its because I'm on a ricer. I'm old enough that I don't do the stupid things you see others that own sportbikes do..... but cant resist the urge to cut it loose every so often. for the most part I have enjoyed coversations with a many a rider/biker about each others scoots.

Zeke Ohan (Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:56:55 -0800): Will; it sounds like you are a rider! Instigators should get it clear on what a rider is considered to be in our community. It does not include people who ride a little bit and trailer alot. Making the argument who is and is not a rider confirms that a legitimate division exists. It is those who clammer for the image who wish to argue the definition that would reject them. Ie. The poseur. Call it for what it is. If you can't ride, then you can't ride. Ergo, you are not a "rider". This is not a less than label, it just is what it is! It is the perception of value that is being fought for here. Don't take what is not for the taking and that is what "Riders" are saying. Recognize that you do NOT fit the description if you ride sparingly, and stop splitting this integrity because that is exactly what the non-rider attempts to divide. Stop the crying...... You are still loved in the biking culture, just understand where you fit within our community and value your presence; I do. Lone-Wolf

Edward W. Hood (Tue, 20 Dec 2011 05:28:57 -0800): If you are looking to be labeled as a "Real Biker", you are riding for the wrong reasons.

Daniel Riddle (Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:08:53 -0800): A real rider or a real biker. There is a big difference. A real biker doesn't need to put thousands of miles on his bike to prove anything. It is a way of life to a real biker.Its not what others see It's what I know and love to do. Posers everywhere you look. Most of them don't last long. I'll soon be 64 and I've been riding since I was about 12. 52 years a biker and I don't regret a single one.I just bought a new bike a year ago. My rode my last one for 25 years. It was a 1986 FXRC. Merry Christmas

Doug Rutt (Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:53:40 -0800): How classic is this, right next to this story is an add for Dairyland cycle insurance that reads, Dairyland Cycle Insurance IS for REAL RIDERS.

Luisa Cuervo Assmann (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:24:10 -0800): everybody "wanna be" is a rider

Vedocha Sinjin (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:41:08 -0800): Trailer? That's crazy! Put your wife, three kids, two quad-runners, camper, two weeks of food and clothes, camping stove, boat, water skis, cooler(and beverages), tools, and sundry other equipment on the back fender with a bungee...

Kevin Miller (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:42:05 -0800): I truly don't care what anyone else thinks about when and where I ride, as long as I'm not messing with their rights. I have about 4,500 miles on an FLSTC (black, antilock brakes) I bought new in April 2011. First motorcycle I've ridden (other than the tiny safety class bikes) since I was 14, about 42 years ago. (I'm a big guy, so no, it's not too large of a bike for a starter. It looks like a Honda 90 under my bulky self.) I ride because it's fun, it focuses and clears my mind, it's a great alternative for a 40-mile daily commute and because if I wasn't doing it now, riding would have become a "never" in my life. Harley riders I've met have generally been most friendly and helpful with safety and maintenance tips, but I do receive a lot of unsolicited advice about exactly what to wear. (I wear black leather chaps with a hideously bright yellow textile jacket.) The fashion advice makes me chuckle, as in: "We are rebels and loners who follow out own path. By the way, you're out of uniform." I've lived long enough to know that one of humans' most imperious urges (me included) is to tell other humans what to do. That's OK. Listening and following such advice is discretionary.

Anna Sluchenkova (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:46:18 -0800): Guys, watch the Wild Hogs movie and stop debating :) Just get together with your friends, or get your wife sitting behind and hugging you tight (how ofter she would do this without bike?), or ride on your own for your own pleasure. See you on the roads!

Nick Boyd (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:47:14 -0800): Being popular on the internet is like being at the cool table at a mental hospital ;).

John Gunkle (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:55:56 -0800): I personally don't care. If you are on two wheels, you are a rider. I average 25K a year on a bike. I must admit, when a clean cut guy with spotless leathers in the summer, with no tattoos comes up on his spotless custom painted bike, and calls me a wannabe, I some times just smile and walk away.

Scotty Manchester (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:03:32 -0800): If the first mode of transport you lusted after when you were a kid was a bike and you still have the same shit going on, your a biker. If you got a bike because you wanted to look cool, to fit in or like the idea of the image you ain't a biker to me. Bikers know who they are and those that ain't know they ain't too, they just like other people to think they are! Counter steering, lol, that shit makes me laugh, if its in your blood riding just comes natural, if it ain't you feel the need to analyse it. What jacket do you own, what pants do you wear, what helmet did you buy, what chrome crap did you get this week, yada, yada, yada!

Roy Telling (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:07:35 -0800): well I am an Englishman living in Finland. what is this "I'm areal rider because"? if you ride a bike you are a biker (I include Trikes)... if you drive a car your not. At the moment I don't have a bike because of money probs I have to have a car for the family but the family no that I WILL be getting one again. ALL bikers should stick together, as we have the governments both US, UK and most other countries trying to get bikers of the road because they are NOT bikers. They make all kind of reasons for not wanting us on the road and all we can do is start fighting each other like little KIDS in the playground. You have all year round BIKER, you have weekend BIKER, you have fair weather BIKER. The Governments don't care they just want BIKES of the road. If by some miracle ALL bikers could stand together and say to the Gov's we are not leaving the roads then they would start running scared (just think how many BIKERS that would be). But we all have are dreams that is one of mine call me daft but I do pray for the day we all stand together. God bless ALL bikers and there family.

Mary Carpenter (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:11:22 -0800): I think this issue is really a "guy" thing. Most women I know don't care what anyone rides, where they ride or who they ride with -- just as long as you ride!

Jesse Lee McKamey (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:13:30 -0800): It's ridiculous! Am I a "biker". Heck no. Am I a rider? I get on my motorcycle and ride it as much as I can and that's the way it's been on and off since I was 13. I'm 36 now. The one thing that I've always kept in mind, and this applies to about everything else as well; Spend your life caring what others think and you'll spend your life pleasing other people. At least 90% of your life should be spent caring and pleasing yourself and the people that chose to do the same back. Everyone else, are people that don't even know you and obviously don't care enough to try. It’s the same thing if you ride to look cool or if you ride because you want people to think you’re a tough “biker”, ”rider”, whatever. People from both cliques are the same type of people. Hey, look at me I ride this or I ride that and I’m wearing this and that. How about riding because you love to ride and not because you want an excuse to wear “cool” clothes? Ride when you can. What? You say you ride one billion miles a year? That’s great! What? You say you ride to work sometimes and on weekends? That’s great too! ENJOY YOURSELF. That’s what it’s about. From: RIDER JESSE. P.S. And yes my bike is stored right now during the inclement weather. That’s why I have a CAR. So I don’t have to ride when it’s bad outside. If that’s pisses you off then that’s your problem not mine. And yes I consider myself a RIDER. I don’t walk by my Dyna down the road. I RIDE it.

Monica McClaskey Clark (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:27:13 -0800): I put 21600 miles on my bike last year so I think it qualifies me as a "rider". But to get the heck out of Texas in the summer to ride in Colorado, I, and some of my riding friends have no problem tying our bikes down on a trailer and driving to CO as fast as we can. Ride safe! Have fun!

Peter Caldwell (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:48:22 -0800): The wife and I both have Ultra Classics and live in Montgomery, TX. We have a cabin in Frisco, CO and like to haul ours in our ToyHauler to avoid that same nasty summer heat. We can make the 1160 miles in one day. Some friends tried to make it on their bikes this summer. One ended up in the hospital and three had to turn around and head home. We arrived cool, a little tired, and ready to hit the really good riding the next day. Been riding since 1966. Was MSF Certified Instructor at one time. Guess I'm either a Rider or Biker. Don't really care.

Monica McClaskey Clark (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:54:47 -0800): Peter Caldwell Exactly!!! Note: We live in Tomball :-) My husband rides an Ultra and I just got a Road Glide after riding a Fatboy for 4 years. (I'm 5' tall so handling the RG is a huge accomplishment for me!)... if I could handle an Ultra I'd have one in a heartbeat!.

Jeff Taylor (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:28:08 -0800): I've been riding since my first "motor bike" at age 7 - more than 60 years ago. Now health issues limit my riding. I suppose I "could" ride up to DC for Rolling Thunder, but I'd be unable to walk when I got there. So for me to participate I have to trailer the bike so I'm able to be a part of the event. Make me less of a rider? I don't know, and I really don't care. There are lots of retired veterans with physical limitations. Maybe if I had spent 30 years doing something easier than the military I could also ride all day without pain. Maybe the guy or girl you are judging is the one who spent a lot of time in the military and can no longer do the long distance rides.

Danny Prince (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:42:13 -0800): Well I will say this. I traded my crotch rocket in for a Softail Deluxe inApril of 2010. I have over 11000 mile son my bike and I bought with 5. I ove to ride and most of the riding I do, I do it alone. In March in 2011, I had rode up to Tennessee from Florida on my bike. Everything went fine on the way up but on the way back, I was almost killed coming through Atlanta on I-85 when a truck coming onto the highway at 7am, crossed over 6 lanes of traffic into the HOV Lane right into me. I pulled torer my knee all up from kiccking off the side of his truck and broke an nkle from kicking off the wall in the HOV lane and he never once stopped. I refused EMS and rode the rest of the way back to Florida. When I got home, the next week I purchased me an enclosed trailer because I refused to travel all them miles on my bike and risk getting killed from the idiots on the road. Does that make me less of a rider. I don't think so. I just value my life a little more than whether what one will perceive me to be or not to be.

Mark Ferraiolo (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:45:07 -0800): I agree, it's pretty lame to look down on a fellow rider who for whatever reason doesn't ride mega miles or ride to some far off rally. For example, I broke my back years ago and couldn't ride more than a couple hours without serious pain. We were trailering our Street Glide back to PA from the (then) Myrtle Beach Rally and some clown passed us on the interstate on a full dress. He and his passanger were shaking their heads in disgust like "shame on you for trailering that thing". If this clown only knew I had recently broken my back, maybe he would not have had such a condecending attitude. I must admit though, I'm just about sick of the whole "wave to every rider you see" thing. I think that's pretty stupid no matter what your riding.......

Kevin Dutch Wittbrodt (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:49:25 -0800): While stationed in the U S Marine Corps I rode several times from California to Michigan and back on "Leave" I considered it a training process to endure the road while traveling long distances on the motorcycle. Even bought a brand new (1983 1/2 FXRT Harley Davidson) to do it! Sold it several years later with 68k miles on it for 500 less than I paid brand new. I guess now I average 5k a year (last year 7k and this year 4.2k) but I find it hard for someone who puts on 2k or less a year can him/herself a rider. Then to show up at events with a trailer queen and look down the end of their nose at me. I disagree not all riders are created equal.

Johnny Rocker (Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:38:37 -0800): no they arent

Tena Heffernan (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:53:15 -0800): I towed my travel trailer to Florida from Massachusetts (left the day after Christmas) and will stay for three months. I brought the bike down in the back of the truck. Riding it down simply was not an option. I don't care if others think I am a real rider or not. I have been riding since the early '90s and enjoy it when I have the time and inclination.

John Cottle (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:01:02 -0800): If you lift your damn feet off the ground and roll away on a motor strapped to wheels, then you ride. The debate is about "why" you ride and that's where the difference lies. It's a damn low-down mental thing, not an image. You don't seek it out. It finds you. That's what's causing the rub on my block. Some Jodie pulls alongside sportin' a gaze like he's been there and done that just because he's saddled on an HD, but they damn well won't follow you on down the road to where the dust clings. No one gives a s*** whether you ride a HD, but don't go figuring that it makes you affiliated in the way you think because you'll find out in a Sierra Hotel minute that it ain't so. If you pull alongside like you want to go, then you'd damn well better not turn back when the scenery begins to change or we'll stain your fancy f****** windshield. So there it is. You either ride or you're a "rider." It ain't the bike. It's you and it won't change whether you ride one mile or a hundred thousand.

Morgan Ramsey (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:01:11 -0800): I ride whenever I can, mostly back and forth to work. I've had numerous bikes, but hadn't been able to afford a Harley. They're overpriced for the average working stiff. If you ride, You ride. People give me shit about riding a Sportster, until we get to the twisties!

George T Cox (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:37:56 -0800): HD is overpriced but so are the rest of the top end bikes, I started on a sportster, graduated to an Electroglide, and now a Trike, REASON, I'm to old to pick up the electroglide (combined with a heart attack a few years ago) and the trike gives me a stable platform for my wife and I to ride on. We ride whenever we get the chance, but also don't hesitate to trailer it behind the motor home for vacations. I don't care what anyone thinks of me as a rider or pretender, all I know is I enjoy riding every time I get on it, and that is what is important to me. If you don't like me trailering my ride, then that is your problem not mine. "Rider by choice" BTW I consider rider and biker as the same definition.

John Cottle (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:14:47 -0800): Well there you have it. The Christian Network must be censoring the discussion. Hell, there ain't a damn one of you that are riders. You're just a wad of Jodies.

Fred Akman (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:23:20 -0800): it makes no sense for someone with a electra glide to trailer thier bike unless its broken, you bought a long distance bike and then don't ride it long distances. if they have such a "burning desire" they would want to ride thier bike where they are going. I'm not syaing I completely buy into the whole arguement on all levels, but I'm tired of people with money dropping a shit load on a bike they can barely ride and trailering it just to put 20 miles on it riding up and down the main drag at a rally. that's not what its about.

Dennis Archer Holloway (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:22:17 -0800): ride the fucking bike you pussy!

Bob Fulkerson (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:37:36 -0800): My wife and I both ride as much as we want. Being a rider is decided by us and we don't give a damn what anyone else thinks! Bob & Jan Fulkerson.

John Dale (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:52:12 -0800): I have only been riding for a few years now. I only ride 4k - 5k a year. 50 hour work weeks and the whole family life things to do. I sure would like to ride more often than I can, but priorities always seem to pop up. We went to visit friends in Vegas last year so the wife and I trailered our bikes for the 1500 mile trip. I would have loved to rode it but we had a lot of stuff haul as well. I guess that makes me not a real rider but I still love the wind in my face and the freedom and the friendships I find on the bike.

Eugene Burkett (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:56:20 -0800): You know as well as I do anyone who has the nerve to get out and ride with all the text messagers and cell phone talkkers has some nads. I don't really believe how many miles someone rides a year or if they trailer to an event or not qualifies them as a "biker." Some of us are more fit than others especially a lot of the gray beards who are disabled military vets or have health issues. It's an attitude and a feeling inside about loving the biker lifestyle and hanging with like minded individuals. Harley riders love their bikes and love to ride as much and as often and as far as they are able!

John E Bergman (Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:28:45 -0800): Amen to your comment on the hdforum, bro! I cannot wait for Springtime and the Run to Panama City! Talk to you soon, BJ

Eugene Burkett (Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:17:05 -0800): John E Bergman Me too Bro John. It'll be a blast. It will be a lot different this year I hope! Those tornadoes last year scared the crap out of me!

John E Bergman (Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:36:27 -0800): Eugene Burkett yeah man, I don't care if I ever see one of them Tornadoes again! No to mention the wreck!!! It would be nice to get Pete to join in with us?!! BJ

Eugene Burkett (Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:41:47 -0800): Let him know . It would be nice for all of us to go together.

Maris Raiska (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:58:40 -0800): What about the person who sits on the back and holds on? Rider or passenger? I say just a passenger.

Jay Mahn (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:22:30 -0800): Holder oner?

Ken Carpenter (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:05:39 -0800): I don't really care what anyone rides. I ride an FLHXSE3, and I wave to EVERY other rider I see... even moped riders. If it's got two wheels (or three in my wife's case), it's a bike... with a rider. As Eminem said, "If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. It's as simple as that." People who talk about "real riders", "posers", etc. are not worth my time nor effort to even associate with. It's as simple as that.

David Stuart (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:09:05 -0800): The conversation and debate is Moot! I have riden everything under the sun. I've finished the Baja 1000 twice I never stopped to consider if I was a a "Rider". I have finished 2 1000 mile days and never turned in the paperwork. Paperwork don't make you a biker or a rider. I love to ride, but if my wife wants to ride her Heritage then I will gladly throw my Ultra in the trailer with hers and drive the RV to the good roads. I don't sleep on the ground as well as I did 30 years ago either. I guess I look at it like this, When other people start paying my bills then I will listen to them. I like the debate. I figure I spent 15 good riding minutes reading and responding to this. Time I will never get back.

David Eby (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:04:14 -0800): I have been riding scooters since I was 15 and have lived off the back of a bike, I have toured the country and had to commute rain or shine year round back in the day. I am not bad ass or do I consider myself a "biker". I ride motorcycles because I want to, I love to and because this is a free country. If you want to drag a bike to an event and ride around looking cool, go ahead. This is America. If you have a show bike, of course you will want to trailer it to an event, one drizzle will take hours of detailing to clean up. Just don't bother me about what I do or try to give me a purity test. Quite honestly, I don't give a crap what anyone else thinks.

Jeff Daye (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:40:08 -0800): Motorcycle...2 wheeled vehicle with an engine. Rider...person who is hanging on to the handlebars grinning. I'm 49 years old and have been riding since I was 10. I own 5 bikes, 4 different makes, 2 American, 3 Japanese, made up of cruisers, sportbikes and standards. I ride because it's fun...Yes, it's just that simple. I don't ride for some big noble reason like brotherhood, charity or anything like that, although I do participate in a lot of charity events and made a lot of good friends, but when it comes right down to it I ride because IT'S FUN...and yes, I am a rider!

Mark Kashino (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:57:27 -0800): Didn't know there was a debate over who's a 'real rider' or not. But the phrase caught my eye. Been riding, off-and-on, since late '60's--Japanese and Harleys. Rode the center line during traffic hour in LA, crossed Nevada locked on 100mph, crashed in Virginia--22 fractures, came down Cajon Pass in a monsoon at 2am--couldn't see well enough to pull over, still ride Idaho's mountains. Don't care whether I'm a 'real rider' or not. But on a family car trip many years ago I was crossing a bridge at 6am in Minnesotta, low light, nearly freezing rain, traffic, nasty. I noticed a graybeard on his bike apparently motoring to work with lunch pail strapped on back, orange parka, mud boots, no fashion, no leathers, no chrome, cold and wet. I remeber thinking there's a 'real rider'. Mark Kashino

Rich Montgomery (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:23:14 -0800): If he's wearing leathers and limps, chances are he's a real biker....probably an old one.

Steven Burkholder (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:34:30 -0800): Trailer your bike if you want, but I don't go to the large rallies anymore because of all of the FAKE, PUNK-ASS "bikers" who trailer their bikes everywhere, then act like morons-on-coke whenever they ARE on their bikes. These wanna-be Bikers are a P.I.T.A. and are usually the ones who act super cocky and won't acknowledge anyone who isn't on a HD.These are also the clowns who have to rev their engines excessively at every stop sign, and have to draw everybody's attention to themselves by acting like idiots.Like they say, 20 miles & 20 Grand doesn't make you a Biker! I have had my bike license since I was 17. I started out on Japanese bikes & switched to Harley as soon as I could afford to. I'm on my second Road King and wouldn't ride anything else, but if you are on two wheels, I'll give you a wave when we pass. Many of the baddest-ass riders I know don't look the part, but they ride 50 times more miles than the B.S. Bikers do & don't brag about it. Some of them don't even ride Harley!

Lynette Harnishfeger (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:56:43 -0800): U tell em Stevie...love this! Miss you bunches! Let's get together sometime soon! Xoxoxox! I ride a Harley and don't show-off..however I do brag..is that bad...LOL!!!

Steven Burkholder (Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:34:09 -0800): It ain braggin' if you can back it up!

Oscar Garza (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:34:22 -0800): Well spoken from a true trailer person.

Demon's Eye (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:01:28 -0800): Riders are a BROTHERHOOD! ( and SISTERHOOD ) Don't care what you wear, ride, or trailer. I don't judge because only God can judge me! What annoys me are the "checkbook bikers" that plunk down a ton of money on a machine that can kill them ( OR ME! ) without a lesson or having even ridden a bicycle. You want to judge someone? Next time you go on a run, see if you can pick out the people that know or don't know what they're doing when they ride in a group. If you can, your a biker. If you can't, YOU have no business riding!

Omer Alencon Fournier III (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:44:24 -0800): I own a Street Bob, a BMW R50, a'66 Triumph, a Kawasaki KLR, several Honda's, including a Gold Wing, and some other bikes-and love to ride them all! I choose which bike depending on season, situation, or mood, and could honestly care less what anybody else thinks about it. Maybe that's why I don't judge anybody for thier choices. If they are riding, I give them a wave, and respect. Hey, it's supposed to be FUN!

Marino Linardon Sr (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:02:59 -0800): fell off harleys bsa tr honda and others the ground hurt the same

Steve Danay (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:01:17 -0800): I ride where, when and for how long I want to. I've shipped my bike to SFO and New Orleans and ridden back to NY. Lost count of how many trips I've taken from my house rain or shine and did the fly and rent a bike for a week four times. We do own a trailer and have used it three times when we just want to get there and stay a week. This June we will be flying to Europe for two and a half weeks so we can ride over the Alps and visit six countries. As long as you are having fun who gives a rats ass what some one else thinks.

Jake Blanton (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:21:27 -0800): I've ridden from one side of the US to the other over the years and at one time, it was not uncommon for me to put 15K miles on my bike in a year. That was back when a motorcycle was the only type of transportation that I could afford. These days, I'm more likely to ride just for the fun of it and don't put that many miles on per year. Although I've never trailered a motorcycle to somewhere just to ride it, I can see how that could be desirable. There are a lot of places in the US that are frankly rather boring to ride -- pretty much any of the major highways. They are made for efficient movement of people from one place to another and more often than not, that equals straight boring roads. For example, I would like to ride my Harley up through Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon, Mt. Rushmore, and the Rockies, but from where I'm at, I would be riding a thousand miles just to get somewhere that the terrain started to get interesting... I don't need to prove anything to anyone with respect to whether I am a "real" biker... I've broken my share of bones and I've slept on my bike in front of a gas pump in a small town because there was no way that I could make it to the next town on the fuel *vapors* that I had left in the tank... I've slept on my share of picnic tables at rest stops because we just didn't carry tents with us back then... I've beat ice off the face shield on my full face helmet, just so I could take my glasses off so that I could get the helmet off... I've learned that 2 wheels and and ice covered parking lot means that you don't ride your bike in a Chicago winter...

Jake Blanton (Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:26:04 -0800): Nothing quite like riding through town and deciding which restaurant to eat at just by the smell...

Larry Scroggs (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:48:04 -0800): I used to make fun of trailered bikes and always bragged that my heritage had not been on a trailer since I owned it. Then after many years of marital turmoil, I ended up married to my beautiful wife and she had 2 kids, then we had 2 more togather. Last year we went to the beach and I wanted to take my bike and planned to ride and meet the family there, as I always do. We ended up with my 3 yr son old having some health issues, and my wife needed to sit with him on the trip, so she says "honey you could always put the bike on the trailer". I said HELL NO! at 1st, but then finally decided I was being selfish towards my son and did it. When we left out, I had friends calling me asking what had happened to my bike, because they had never saw it on a trailer... Also I went from being a single over the road trucker, to settling down to a local service job where I'm home most nights. I used to ride all the time when I came back in off the road. Now I guess I'm a "weekend warrior" because I have a company provided service truck, so I don't ride to work anymore, but I still manage to put 5-7 k miles a yr on the bike. In my opinion being a biker, rider or whatever is a brotherhood. When you see another motorcyclist broke down or in distress we should always stop to at least offer to help. The whole waving thing is a joke to me. My dad rode HDs his whole life and now is pushin 70. He now has a goldwing. When we ride the punks wave at me and never wave at him, and if we swap bikes on a trip its vice versa. Hes rode longer that theyve been alive, and had more bikes, than they have years on earth.

Thornton Holmes (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:40:09 -0800): You do what you can do and to be honest I have more respect for those who know their bike so well they can strip it down and put it back together without the help of a qualified mechanic than some dude who rides thousands of miles evey year ( I do by the way but can't strip a bike to the last bolt and re assemble without help...yet!)

Debbie Basham Gardner (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:50:15 -0800): I love to ride..I ride both saddles, riding is the best way to see, feel, smell and experience this great country we live in. Live is to short to just look at it through a window, when you can be a part of it, get out and ride..

John Jefferson (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:21:51 -0800): I learned to ride in the early 80's at 16 years old. I started with a 1980 200CC Honda Twinstar at and now have an '08 Softail Custom. I had my first Harley, an '01 Softail Std. for 7 years and put 25K on it. This one...just over 3 years and 29K. "Am I a real rider?" "Is he/she a real rider?" is a question I have never asked of myself or anyone else because, well, I just don't care. I like to ride. I like to wind my way down a well paved secondary road leaning into turns with precise movements. I like to twist the throttle and hear the engine roar and feel it accelerate me and that machine forward with authority. I like to feel the sun warm me through my leathers on cool days and the wind cool me when it is hot. I refuse to ride in temperatures where water becomes a solid. I like to ride whenever and where ever I can. I don't own a trailer but I harbor no malice towards those that do. If I see you on the road I will send you a wave...If I see you broken down...I will stop and ask if you needed assistance. I will always talk to you about riding no matter what you own with no malice or judgement toward it or you. I will let you "in" my lane. I will pull aside and let you pass me by and I don't mind if you wish to "pair up" in heavy traffic. There is safety in numbers. I am not a "real rider"....I just ride.

Michel Lemaire (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 05:56:59 -0800): Rider or biker....D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F!

Jack Herman (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:58:41 -0800): "JESUS" Brian (Schumacher) I had to read this Whole Thing you Started to get a picture of the exchange here. And what an Exchange it is. I won't brag about my bike until I finish what I have Gleened in this Creation? of yours. IMHO: "Biker" one who has paid his Dues. Probably can tear apart his ride, and put it back. Probably can't afford a fresh one, the tech is too far out there today for anyone other than H-D certified. Probably has a cage as old as his ride, both with the same patina. Wears leathers as old as his rides, and probably shows how he went down. His Scoot is probably all Black, and somewhere there is a black mess developed over the last several years. 90 % of their travel time is on the Scoot....etc. "Rider", one who has paid his Dues in the time and or miles he is able to invest each season. If you only ride a couple of thousand a yr, you learn all over again each year how to ride and develop your reactionary skills to stay alive, as in real winter climate locals, where you can't ride all yr long. Doesn't matter if you ride a Sportbike or a 50cc smoker, I'll give you the sign, most likely if you signal first, because most everyone wants to interact with me on the road, including Cage's. I don't wave if there is an event in the area I am riding, way too stupid, spend more time waving than hand on the grip. "Harley's" are a Cult and you don't know you're there until it's too late. Is it the Sacrifice you pay to Get There?, probably. Each Sacrifice is your own, and it's not cheap either. This is what Creates the "Attitude". I started riding again after a 35 yr leave of absence, and got my first H-D. Bought it for my 60th B-D a little early. Origionally conceived to build just 2400 units divided into 3 colors, the strike in the '07' model run reduced the production to a rumored 1500 divided into 3 colors. I parked this bike after 5 seasons with 35,700 miles on the clock. There were 6 on it when it was delivered. I don't ride great distances, just get there Faster. Am I a "Biker?", no just a "Rider". I ride an FXSTSSE in Amarillo/Tangerine. (You can find my posts in the CVO Forums as "Jack", I'm the only Jack there). A lot of 'Bikers' don't know what that is, but they can spot a transferred part to a non-stock bike at 60 mph. There are a lot of spectators who know my bike by the mod designation or @ 60 mph. "Biker?", no but I'm not a "Poser" either......J.

Mark Pearson (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:09:45 -0800): Being a "real Rider" is in your soul and not for someone else to decide. If I have to explain you wouldn't understand.

Jay Mahn (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:20:56 -0800): I have owned about every type of bike imaginable toured Europe on a 850 Norton while stationed there. I am 63 now and enjoy riding with anyone that has a bike of any type. I don't hang around in Bars and Brag about my Tat's and Bike..I ride. If a person feels more comfortable trailering the bike somewhere(There could be lots of reasons for this) fine and dandy. Myself I am like the guy below I tent camp and sometimes I am gone for weeks sometimes just a day or so. Riding means different things to different folks. I meet all types from all different economic classes on the road I have only met a few a-holes. Besides who the hell really gives a crap what you think about another rider?

Kent Öhman (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:58:16 -0800): Owning a Harley don't make you a biker more than standing in a church make you a christian.

Larry Eidell (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:16:00 -0800): I've been riding for 41 years and have seen alot of changes in the "Biker" community.I've never trailered my bikes and ride it to where I want to go.I just don't like the ones riding in sneakers, flipflops and shorts.I had a heart transplant '09 and am still riding.

Lex McDowell (Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:32:47 -0800): When you worry about what other people think about your being a rider or not, you've given up a big part of yourself to other people, especially when so many of 'em are idiots (you get to define idiot). I've been riding 48 years and don't ride for them. I ride for my enjoyment. Yeah, I look down on rice burners, but so what. It's my opinion and probably not rational, but again so what! In a few years, I'll probably be too feeble to ride on 2 wheels & will have to convert to a trike, but I'll still ride and be a rider in my mind and that's all that counts.

Wendy Bearschild (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:59:52 -0800): In my little corner of the world we think of it like this. A "Rider" is anyone riding anything with 2 wheels.Number of miles per year matters not. Bikers on the other hand ride unless the ice on the road makes that impossible and trailer only when something stops working.Both are valid and welcome. It's just a lifestyle thing.Yes, we can all get along.

David Neef (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:41:12 -0800): I have rode my bike 5 thousand miles on a singal trip. I have riden it 1700 miles to Sturgis also have trailered it to Sturgis in the toy hauler so I would have my camper instead of paying for over priced motel rooms. Both work depending on your needs. Niether increase nor decrease your status as a rider.

Mel Neef (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:41:10 -0800): I ride whenever I want. I pull the bikes behind the motor home whenever I want. I sit and talk about bikes whenever I want. I have been doing this for about 45 years and I don't give a ratz ass what anybody else thinks.

James Blake (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:06:59 -0800): I work all over the country and have to fly every where I go with tools clothes and so on. All I want to do is ride ride ride. But I can't. Also four kids and live in Minnesota. If I could ride all year around every day I would!

John Jarman (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:56:40 -0800): The only people who claim to be "real riders" are the ones who feel the need to be "larger" than who/what they really are... little people acting big. If it has 2 wheels and you ride it that makes you in the rider class in my books.

Dick McConville (Fri, 13 Jan 2012 03:44:15 -0800): Interesting read. It's slightly different here in Ireland, the names are changed but the idea's are the same. Biking has now become fragmented and people in a minority interest are now splitting into smaller groupings. I don't know if it is because of the inter-web or maybe that is just a reflection of what is going on. Why does anyone care what some else does? If we are supposed to be searching for our own individual freedom why do other people then put restrictions or conditions on the same freedom? We all have our own idea of what it is to be a biker. The problems start when we try to force our idea's and ideals onto other people, pouring scorn seems to be the best way to discourage people from doing whatever it is they are doing. Lots of people buy into the idea that when they get a bike they are some how "Bad Arses and strut around the place like this, so what? That's there deal, they are living their dream and so be it. Some people put a bike in a trailer and bring it with them, so what? There could be a million reasons why they do this and each one will be valid, again they are living their dream. I see in the US this great debate is also linked into which bike you ride Harley or Jap, does this matter? It seems it does to a lot of people. The question I would ask is have you ever tried a Jap bike? I have both a Harley for those lazy days and a "Crocth Rocket" for the days when I feel the need for speed. Two different days out, riding either bike and I'm still a biker or as you guys call it a "real rider." I asked on another forum what is it that makes me a biker and asked for personal answers, answers that were personal to the people answering the question. I was quite surprised by the different opinions people gave, each different and each correct. Bing a biker (Real rider) is a state of mind. It's and individual statement and one that people make when they purchase a bike and hit the road. Each person does it his or her way, whatever way the see fit. There isn't a right way or a wrong way. There is no such thing as a "Weekend Warrior" or whatever. If a bike is not moving is it doing it's job. If you park it up and go to bed to rest are you still a biker then? It seems to me that the biking culture is dividing itself along the same lines that society itself is split along, rich v poor, working v unemployed etc. etc. Biking used to be a cheap form of transport and when it was it was quite easy for people to all feel equal. Nowadays with some bikes costing anything from €25,000 and more, this form of cheap transport has now left us. The hangover of the equality biking used to give us is now a distant memory, although this idea of equality does the rounds when speaking of brotherhood in the biking world. The perils of biking remain the only equalizing factor in the whole biking scene, your just as likely to get killed falling of a brand new top of the range Harley or a twenty year old Honda. We now judge people on how many times they have fallen off a bike and not gotten themselves killed, they are judged a "Real Rider." My opinion would be maybe a "real Rider" but more like a real bad rider. Good luck Dick Mc.

Scott Bowman (Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:26:47 -0800): I ride on average 7,000-8,000 miles a year on my uncomfortable stripped down 94' Heritage here in Colorado, don't wear leather much, been riding for years, I have some good friends that are in a 1% club. I don't stop at the so called biker bars, because I'm spending to much time riding. I wave to anybody on two or three wheels, even scooters. People call me a biker, I just tell them "I'm still a wannabe biker". Who is a real biker? Who cares, just ride!

John Bridle (Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:22:27 -0800): Some of us live in the far North. During the winter in minus 20-25 celsius weather and blowing snow lots of us trailer our bikes to warmer climates, then ride from there..........

Chris Scottsa Beaver (Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:29:39 -0800): Roger, that's awesome! My friends and I bought our first motorcycles in the spring of last year and went on a summer motorcycle trip to the Canadian border along the Great River Road. We took a total of 5 days and camped along the way and stayed in a cheap hotel a couple nights. I could go on forever about the trip but to the point, I agree Brian, it doesn't matter how far you go or if you trailor your bike places. As long as you have a motorcycle and you love riding it, your a biker, yes even if you don't ride a Harley. Right now I ride a 81 Kawasaki 550, but next month I'm going to purchase my first Harley. What annoys me is when people don't concider you a biker when you don't own a Harley. I think people need to put the "real biker" thought away and just ride.