Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
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Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
I have a 2005 Ultra Classic with headers, V&H ovals and SE stage 1 filter. I Dyno'ed it several months ago and It was MAPPED out and has power at the ying-yang. It came at a cost of fuel economy though. With the recentfuel prices, I was wondering if the map could be tweeked a little to get a little more MPG's. I don't have a problem in loosing a little HP for some better MPG's. I can always remap it back for the power if I need too. I ride about 2000 miles a month and the fuel savings would be benificial but I also don't want to damage my engine either. I've never changed a map before other than when I installed the generic map from the download from their website. Any help or advice would be greatly appriciated.
Scott
Scott
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RE: Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
I've been trying to figure out my mpg problems for over a year. My '05 EG classic wouldnt' give me over 30-31 mpg no matter how easy I rode it (28-29 mpg was easy to do if I got on it at all). I installed a PCIII last year hoping to get better economy out of it and eliminate the pinging I had.There wasno improvement in the mpg though the pinging was eliminated completely. For this past year I've still been baffled as to why I had such lousy fuel economy since I ride very conservatively and log 135 miles a day on my commute. At $4.39 a gallon maximum economy is becoming a big priority.
Just this week after talking to one of our members of the forum here I took my bike to the dealership and asked them to hook up the computer and see what download my bike had flashed into the ECM when it had the 95" stage II kit installed a couple years ago when my Dad had the bike. They found that it had the stage II high output program in it (not surprising as this is what it should have). In talking to a member here on the forum and also a dyno guy locally here I realized the program in my ECM might be conflicting with the PCIII.
At their suggestion we cleared out the download in the ECM to "stock" original. The program currently in my PCIII is a download off the website approximating my bike's set-up. I want to dyno it soon, but the $300-$400 is always difficult to come up with lately to get the dyno done.
Anyways, with clearing out the ECM stage II download I've gained about 6 to 7 mpg so far from what I can tell - a dramatic improvement. Now its just the PCIII working thru the ECM with a stock setting in it. You may want to look into whether this might be causing your problem if you had anything other than a stock setting in your ECM...
Just this week after talking to one of our members of the forum here I took my bike to the dealership and asked them to hook up the computer and see what download my bike had flashed into the ECM when it had the 95" stage II kit installed a couple years ago when my Dad had the bike. They found that it had the stage II high output program in it (not surprising as this is what it should have). In talking to a member here on the forum and also a dyno guy locally here I realized the program in my ECM might be conflicting with the PCIII.
At their suggestion we cleared out the download in the ECM to "stock" original. The program currently in my PCIII is a download off the website approximating my bike's set-up. I want to dyno it soon, but the $300-$400 is always difficult to come up with lately to get the dyno done.
Anyways, with clearing out the ECM stage II download I've gained about 6 to 7 mpg so far from what I can tell - a dramatic improvement. Now its just the PCIII working thru the ECM with a stock setting in it. You may want to look into whether this might be causing your problem if you had anything other than a stock setting in your ECM...
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RE: Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
Change your map as per the attached JPG. It won't affect overall performance since you're dealing only with the cruise range (<40% TP and <3k RPM). My bike gets 40 (city) to 50mpg (backroads). If you don't have an oil cooler keep an eye on oil temps, as I have no feedback yet from folks running this tweak without one. If you hear detonation, feel surging when hot (cold is okay), or feel excessive heat, add +5 at a time (or less) to the blocks in the JPG, but no higher than in your original map in any given block.
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RE: Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
Thanks for input. I'll give it a try and tell you what it changes. Do you know if running anything less than 91 octain will do to this bike. Everything that i have read so far is that the only thing that the upper octain numbers do is reduce the threshold for pinging and as long as your engine doesn't ping the lower octain fuel will be ok. Any input???????
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RE: Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
Altitude has a lot to do with need for octane. The higher the altitude the less octane needed. If your bike is not pinging with a lower octane fuel then their is no need to use a higher octane rating. As far a fuel mileage, I have a Road Glide with V&H two into one exhaust and a Big Sucker II air filter. I use a PCIII with a stock ECM. I have made minor changes to the supplied settings and average about 48 MPG doing mainly mountain road riding.
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RE: Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
ORIGINAL: Bluesssman
Altitude has a lot to do with need for octane. The higher the altitude the less octane needed. If your bike is not pinging with a lower octane fuel then their is no need to use a higher octane rating. As far a fuel mileage, I have a Road Glide with V&H two into one exhaust and a Big Sucker II air filter. I use a PCIII with a stock ECM. I have made minor changes to the supplied settings and average about 48 MPG doing mainly mountain road riding.
Altitude has a lot to do with need for octane. The higher the altitude the less octane needed. If your bike is not pinging with a lower octane fuel then their is no need to use a higher octane rating. As far a fuel mileage, I have a Road Glide with V&H two into one exhaust and a Big Sucker II air filter. I use a PCIII with a stock ECM. I have made minor changes to the supplied settings and average about 48 MPG doing mainly mountain road riding.
Those changes just seem awfully lean to me for stage 1.
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RE: Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
ORIGINAL: emsav8er
Thanks for input. I'll give it a try and tell you what it changes. Do you know if running anything less than 91 octain will do to this bike. Everything that i have read so far is that the only thing that the upper octain numbers do is reduce the threshold for pinging and as long as your engine doesn't ping the lower octain fuel will be ok. Any input???????
Thanks for input. I'll give it a try and tell you what it changes. Do you know if running anything less than 91 octain will do to this bike. Everything that i have read so far is that the only thing that the upper octain numbers do is reduce the threshold for pinging and as long as your engine doesn't ping the lower octain fuel will be ok. Any input???????
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RE: Power Commander Mapping for better fuel economy
ORIGINAL: Bluesssman
Altitude has a lot to do with need for octane. The higher the altitude the less octane needed. If your bike is not pinging with a lower octane fuel then their is no need to use a higher octane rating. As far a fuel mileage, I have a Road Glide with V&H two into one exhaust and a Big Sucker II air filter. I use a PCIII with a stock ECM. I have made minor changes to the supplied settings and average about 48 MPG doing mainly mountain road riding.
Altitude has a lot to do with need for octane. The higher the altitude the less octane needed. If your bike is not pinging with a lower octane fuel then their is no need to use a higher octane rating. As far a fuel mileage, I have a Road Glide with V&H two into one exhaust and a Big Sucker II air filter. I use a PCIII with a stock ECM. I have made minor changes to the supplied settings and average about 48 MPG doing mainly mountain road riding.
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