Originally Posted by Mchad

Odd. Everything I have read says you need program to offset the lean condition the high flow air cleaner will create. I guess it's all marketing hogwash.

Originally Posted by AdamM

You were correct. When changing exhaust and air cleaner you need to remap. You can get away with the stock tune if doing only one or the other. echoicse only added slip ons which wouldnt lean out the bike like adding head pipes would. The way he worded it made it seem as if he was gaining performance from his slip ons thinking he got away problem free without a tune, which isnt the case, his bike is just making more noise now

Originally Posted by AdamM

You were correct. When changing exhaust and air cleaner you need to remap. You can get away with the stock tune if doing only one or the other. echoicse only added slip ons which wouldnt lean out the bike like adding head pipes would. The way he worded it made it seem as if he was gaining performance from his slip ons thinking he got away problem free without a tune, which isnt the case, his bike is just making more noise now

Originally Posted by Police_dad

So, in theory, I could do the stage 1 air cleaner and slip-ons without having to tune and still be ok? My finances are kinda limited at the moment.. And later down the road should I add the full exhaust then I'll need to remap?

Originally Posted by echoicse

On my "WORK ORDER BILLING" from Stan's H.D. on the billing sheet. On the "Work Order Notes:" 35 lines section. Line 26 has written "CHECK AND ADJUST ENGINE IDLE SPEED AS NECESSARY, 950-1050 RPM". Line 32 has written "CK ECM CALIBRATION____________AND LATEST UPDATE____________. LEAVE AS IS IF THERE ARE NO PERFORMANCE ISSUES (long space...then) /BE CAREFUL OF SCREAMIN EAGLE CALIBRATION". No writing what-so-ever in the line 32 section! My 15K SERVICE p.m. had written was oil used, oil filter, PJ1 SUPER CLEANER, NON CA, INOX INJECTOR...cost of these items. So, ALL these "CHANGE, Lube, INSPECT and TEST" nothing written about "calibration redo's". Proves to me just like Stan's H.D. told me doing air cleaner and exhaust one at a time. Computer and E.F.I. will reset themselves! I haven't had NO misfires from engine whatsoever! Lastly, amusing with last subliminal last word you used "HOG...wash"!

Originally Posted by Mchad

I'm pretty sure the common consensus is that if you change airflow volume into the motor (with a high flow air cleaner) you need to change the ECM map to support it.

Originally Posted by Police_dad

Now now, ladies.. Let's keep it civil

Originally Posted by Hillsidecyclecom

For the absolute stone truth in this matter I'd take the bike to one of the best tuners in the Northeast, right in your back yard, in Corfu, NY.
Thayers Sales and Service..........then you'll know what right, is.
Scott

Originally Posted by AdamM

You were correct. When changing exhaust and air cleaner you need to remap. You can get away with the stock tune if doing only one or the other. echoicse only added slip ons which wouldnt lean out the bike like adding head pipes would. The way he worded it made it seem as if he was gaining performance from his slip ons thinking he got away problem free without a tune, which isnt the case, his bike is just making more noise now