Pesky Intermittent Electrical Problem Solved
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Pesky Intermittent Electrical Problem Solved
I am writing this post with the hope that it helps someone solve an electrical problem that haunted me for a very long time – the intermittent loss of all electrical power. Harley provides positive terminal snap connectors for every male/female electrical connection EXCEPT FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT CONNECTOR OF ALL - the main power switch. I think there was a recall for this issue – I missed it if there was one.
My Dyna Wide has ~82,000 miles and my problem began simply enough. The main power connector under the dash would separate from the switch – total loss of electrical power. After this happened (sometimes I’m a bit slow in the head) a number of times, I ZIP tied the plug and switch together. Easy solution you would think.
Here is where the headache began – total loss of power even with the switch and plug firmly tied together. The power loss would occur after as short a time as 5 minutes. Take the dash off, wiggle the terminals, start the engine and drive off – for another 5 minutes. Repeat.
I finally figured out that the main circuit breaker was tripping. Here I am wiggling wires simply giving the circuit breaker time to cool and reset. The circuit breaker, of course, was not at fault. The problem was corroded and loose fitting terminal ends and dirty switch tabs. This created a voltage drop at the switch terminals resulting in a large enough current increase (P=IxV) to trip the main circuit breaker. That is my assessment because $4.00 worth of new terminal ends and a thorough cleaning of the switch tabs solved the problem. The problem has never re-occurred after more than 1,000 miles.
My Dyna Wide has ~82,000 miles and my problem began simply enough. The main power connector under the dash would separate from the switch – total loss of electrical power. After this happened (sometimes I’m a bit slow in the head) a number of times, I ZIP tied the plug and switch together. Easy solution you would think.
Here is where the headache began – total loss of power even with the switch and plug firmly tied together. The power loss would occur after as short a time as 5 minutes. Take the dash off, wiggle the terminals, start the engine and drive off – for another 5 minutes. Repeat.
I finally figured out that the main circuit breaker was tripping. Here I am wiggling wires simply giving the circuit breaker time to cool and reset. The circuit breaker, of course, was not at fault. The problem was corroded and loose fitting terminal ends and dirty switch tabs. This created a voltage drop at the switch terminals resulting in a large enough current increase (P=IxV) to trip the main circuit breaker. That is my assessment because $4.00 worth of new terminal ends and a thorough cleaning of the switch tabs solved the problem. The problem has never re-occurred after more than 1,000 miles.
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gives you an idea why it costs so much to get an electrical problem repaired at a dealer service center...the fix for the most vexing problem is cheap and easy most of the time...it's all those man-hours spent troubleshooting the problem that cost.
Going out on the "shoulda-woulda-coulda" limb here, the connector shoulda have been a big red flag to your issues and, as you eventually discovered, was your problem all along. If you woulda paid attention to something that wasn't right with a critical junction in your electrical system when the connector issue happened and replaced the parts instead of going the band-aid fix way, you coulda saved yourself a lot of aggravation and angst...just say'n...
Happy for you that you did get it fixed and are back on the road again. Ride on!
Going out on the "shoulda-woulda-coulda" limb here, the connector shoulda have been a big red flag to your issues and, as you eventually discovered, was your problem all along. If you woulda paid attention to something that wasn't right with a critical junction in your electrical system when the connector issue happened and replaced the parts instead of going the band-aid fix way, you coulda saved yourself a lot of aggravation and angst...just say'n...
Happy for you that you did get it fixed and are back on the road again. Ride on!
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gives you an idea why it costs so much to get an electrical problem repaired at a dealer service center...the fix for the most vexing problem is cheap and easy most of the time...it's all those man-hours spent troubleshooting the problem that cost.
Going out on the "shoulda-woulda-coulda" limb here, the connector shoulda have been a big red flag to your issues and, as you eventually discovered, was your problem all along. If you woulda paid attention to something that wasn't right with a critical junction in your electrical system when the connector issue happened and replaced the parts instead of going the band-aid fix way, you coulda saved yourself a lot of aggravation and angst...just say'n...
Happy for you that you did get it fixed and are back on the road again. Ride on!
Going out on the "shoulda-woulda-coulda" limb here, the connector shoulda have been a big red flag to your issues and, as you eventually discovered, was your problem all along. If you woulda paid attention to something that wasn't right with a critical junction in your electrical system when the connector issue happened and replaced the parts instead of going the band-aid fix way, you coulda saved yourself a lot of aggravation and angst...just say'n...
Happy for you that you did get it fixed and are back on the road again. Ride on!
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Going out on the "shoulda-woulda-coulda" limb here, the connector shoulda have been a big red flag to your issues and, as you eventually discovered, was your problem all along. If you woulda paid attention to something that wasn't right with a critical junction in your electrical system when the connector issue happened and replaced the parts instead of going the band-aid fix way, you coulda saved yourself a lot of aggravation and angst...just say'n...
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The mechanical integrity of the connection was severely compromised which you addressed with a seemingly sound temporary fix, the zip ties, which predictably failed at a critical time for you. Murphy's Law.
Where exactly was this corrosion? At the compromised connector or elsewhere? I am not clear on that point, but if it was at this same connector, then refer back to the above Murphy's Law. Preventative maintenance is necessary to keep your ride RTG at any time. A brush and a little contact cleaner, some effort, followed by a dab of silicon grease goes a long way with keeping electrical connections corrosion under control.
Again, like I said, I am glad you got it figured out and are back on the road...
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And, a refreshing response from someone who probably has very little, if any, experience troubleshooting automotive electrical and electronic systems problems.
Monday Morning Quarterbacking is what I do when I discuss professional football...because I don't know anything about it. However, this Monday Morning Quarterback has a professional background in this kind of stuff...so, it ain't Monday Morning Quarterbacking here, it is many years of experience doing this stuff and trying to share some of that knowledge to help the OP to prevent a potentially recurring issue on his older ride. I have been down this road many, many times, and I KNOW that a band-aid repair to an exposed electrical connection will eventually fail, and at the worst possible time and place, so it must be fixed correctly ASAP.
Peace, out.
Monday Morning Quarterbacking is what I do when I discuss professional football...because I don't know anything about it. However, this Monday Morning Quarterback has a professional background in this kind of stuff...so, it ain't Monday Morning Quarterbacking here, it is many years of experience doing this stuff and trying to share some of that knowledge to help the OP to prevent a potentially recurring issue on his older ride. I have been down this road many, many times, and I KNOW that a band-aid repair to an exposed electrical connection will eventually fail, and at the worst possible time and place, so it must be fixed correctly ASAP.
Peace, out.
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And, a refreshing response from someone who probably has very little, if any, experience troubleshooting automotive electrical and electronic systems problems.
Monday Morning Quarterbacking is what I do when I discuss professional football...because I don't know anything about it. However, this Monday Morning Quarterback has a professional background in this kind of stuff...so, it ain't Monday Morning Quarterbacking here, it is many years of experience doing this stuff and trying to share some of that knowledge to help the OP to prevent a potentially recurring issue on his older ride. I have been down this road many, many times, and I KNOW that a band-aid repair to an exposed electrical connection will eventually fail, and at the worst possible time and place, so it must be fixed correctly ASAP.
Peace, out.
Monday Morning Quarterbacking is what I do when I discuss professional football...because I don't know anything about it. However, this Monday Morning Quarterback has a professional background in this kind of stuff...so, it ain't Monday Morning Quarterbacking here, it is many years of experience doing this stuff and trying to share some of that knowledge to help the OP to prevent a potentially recurring issue on his older ride. I have been down this road many, many times, and I KNOW that a band-aid repair to an exposed electrical connection will eventually fail, and at the worst possible time and place, so it must be fixed correctly ASAP.
Peace, out.
Your technical explanation was fine, your delivery less than. I found the OP's wanting to share his experience in the true spirit of belonging to a forum. BTW - I've probably got under dash knuckle scars older than you.....
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