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Old 02-25-2017, 09:02 AM
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Then can you explain why, when I stop at a light in the summer, my EITMS kick on?
Why? Because you have it enabled I kid, I kid

There was a time when HD stated the EITMS system was about rider comfort and not engine temperatures, all those .pdf files have going missing now: http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...conditions.pdf

But the important line was this:
EITMS is purely for rider comfort. When it activates and “shuts off” the rear cylinder, it’s not because the motor is overheating. It’s designed to reduce the heat radiating from the rear cylinder to the rider.
I should have archived those rider comfort documents... doh!

When your EITMS is activated 4 conditions have been met:

1. Ambient air temperature or engine temperature has exceeded the set threshold

2. Throttle control is at 0%/idle

3. Speed under 1 MPH

4. Engine RPM under 1200

I'm in full and complete agreement that these larger inch engines need all the help you can give them to reduce heat, especially in hotter climates. If you chose to add fans that's one aspect of achieving added cooling but without properly tuning, free flowing exhausts, A/C's venting crankcase gasses to atmosphere, oil coolers, oil filter relocations, tank lifts, coil relocations, etc, etc, etc, you'll be leaving added cooling potential on the table.

Fans are a piece of the cooling puzzle, but there are other effective options and upgrades that greatly help with added cooling for those who, like myself, would prefer not to hang fans off of our rides...
 
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Originally Posted by TinCupChalice
Why? Because you have it enabled I kid, I kid

There was a time when HD stated the EITMS system was about rider comfort and not engine temperatures, all those .pdf files have going missing now: http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...conditions.pdf

But the important line was this:

I should have archived those rider comfort documents... doh!

When your EITMS is activated 4 conditions have been met:

1. Ambient air temperature or engine temperature has exceeded the set threshold

2. Throttle control is at 0%/idle

3. Speed under 1 MPH

4. Engine RPM under 1200

I'm in full and complete agreement that these larger inch engines need all the help you can give them to reduce heat, especially in hotter climates. If you chose to add fans that's one aspect of achieving added cooling but without properly tuning, free flowing exhausts, A/C's venting crankcase gasses to atmosphere, oil coolers, oil filter relocations, tank lifts, coil relocations, etc, etc, etc, you'll be leaving added cooling potential on the table.

Fans are a piece of the cooling puzzle, but there are other effective options and upgrades that greatly help with added cooling for those who, like myself, would prefer not to hang fans off of our rides...
The time of the airhead big twin is coming to an end. I suspect all the next gen engines will be liquid cooled. The heat from the big inch, EPA-compliant engines has become impractical to manage without liquid/air heat exchangers.
 
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Old 02-25-2017, 09:17 AM
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The time of the airhead big twin is coming to an end. I suspect all the next gen engines will be liquid cooled. The heat from the big inch, EPA-compliant engines has become impractical to manage without liquid/air heat exchangers.
Absolute truth! As these engines have gotten more and more displacement and the EPA regs are pushing them for even leaner tuning the heat has become quite the issue; yea, the big inch air cooled engines are slated for extinction, I'm afraid.

What we as owners need to do is to is understand exactly why they're running hot and do all we can to minimize it; and that means some mods and upgrades; out of the box these critters are too hot for their own good.

I've had some great results following the step by step process; my final test will be when I move back home to Florida. Then I'll see where I'm at; I don't completely discount adding fans if it were necessary but if I do, they're going to be Wards. Beg, borrow, buy, steal; whatever it takes
 
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Old 02-25-2017, 09:20 AM
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There could be some hope for air cooling if HD engineers spent some serious time working on volumetric efficiency, oil flow, case surface area, and getting the cats moved as far aft as possible...but that doesn't seem likely.
 
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Originally Posted by TinCupChalice
Why? Because you have it enabled I kid, I kid

There was a time when HD stated the EITMS system was about rider comfort and not engine temperatures, all those .pdf files have going missing now: http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...conditions.pdf

But the important line was this:

I should have archived those rider comfort documents... doh!

When your EITMS is activated 4 conditions have been met:

1. Ambient air temperature or engine temperature has exceeded the set threshold

2. Throttle control is at 0%/idle

3. Speed under 1 MPH

4. Engine RPM under 1200

I'm in full and complete agreement that these larger inch engines need all the help you can give them to reduce heat, especially in hotter climates. If you chose to add fans that's one aspect of achieving added cooling but without properly tuning, free flowing exhausts, A/C's venting crankcase gasses to atmosphere, oil coolers, oil filter relocations, tank lifts, coil relocations, etc, etc, etc, you'll be leaving added cooling potential on the table.

Fans are a piece of the cooling puzzle, but there are other effective options and upgrades that greatly help with added cooling for those who, like myself, would prefer not to hang fans off of our rides...
^^^^. What he said.
 
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