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i just disagree that a one time dyno tune covers all conditions. peace dude,didnt mean to get your pantys in a knot.
I didn't say a one time dyno tune covered all conditions. If its tuned right it will be more flexible when conditions very.
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peace dude,didnt mean to get your pantys in a knot.
Heck no there not in a knot, heck I'd even buy you a beer while we discussed assless chaps and dyno tunes vs canned maps. It's all good, I don't get bent very easy, heck its only type written words.
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I didn't say a one time dyno tune covered all conditions. If its tuned right it will be more flexible when conditions very.
Heck no there not in a knot, heck I'd even buy you a beer while we discussed assless chaps and dyno tunes vs canned maps. It's all good, I don't get bent very easy, heck its only type written words.
my question is if a bike is tuned in the winter, does it need to be retuned for summer??? does it need to be retuned after 5000 or more miles?????? how much can the ecm compensate for??
Hi everyone...I have a 09 fat bob with 2" rush slipons and just picked up a se stage 1 air breather... 4 local dealers say I need to spend my money on a SERT....called a dealer in Delaware ( I live in NJ) and he told me that with my mods I would only need to do a stage one download to keep my bike from running lean (dont know what this is but says my bike will run fine and I will only be spending $200 as compared to a billiondy). Im not looking to squeeze every last bit of hp and torque out of my bike. I just wanted it to be louder than a moped..slipons did it for me. I guess my question is that with out expectng any hp gains out of this download and just wanting to not destroy my bike will this do the trick.......oh yea also heard that with this download if I loose power to my bike (battery disco'd) I will loose the download. Just making sure that when I take my bike for its 1000 mile my local shop wont accidently disconnect the battery and put me back to square one minus $200.Im so lost can anyone help.
Don't worry about loosing your download if battery is disconnected. Stage 1 dwnld changes the VE tables and bumps up rev limiter to 6200 rpm. Air/fuel ratio won't change much if at all. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's right. From my experience there is a Stage 1 download w/parade mode enabled and one w/out. My first one had parade mode enabled but it started to early for me (230 oil temp). Parade mode shuts off rear cylinder at idle speed when engine reaches certain temp to try and keep engine heat from climbing too much. Make sure you know which one you're getting. Some don't mind it but I don't like it myself. Since you're not looking for every little bit of power that you can get, a download with exhaust and air cleaner are just fine. Without digging out my dyno sheet I got around 78 hp with my set-up. I think the dyno run cost $50. I was guessing a little over 80 hp and had to know. Oh well! If you do any engine mods a dyno tune is definately needed. Because I plan on new cams and higher ratio roller rocker arms in the future I decided to not do a dyno tune twice. Since you already have a SEAC keep an eye on the filter. Rubber base on mine started splitting after only 5k mls. Replaced with K&N HD-0800 filter from Autozone. Hope this helps. There's a lot of good info here on this forum if you search for it. Have fun, stay safe.
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Last edited by hdrider.tx; 01-28-2009 at 09:28 PM.
If you plan on future mods, go with a tuner. If you don't, the download will most likely work fine for your situation. For my situation mine had to be dyno tuned, for obvious reasons.
my question is if a bike is tuned in the winter, does it need to be retuned for summer??? does it need to be retuned after 5000 or more miles?????? how much can the ecm compensate for??
The biggest thing between a winter and summer tune that can get you in trouble is you can be more agressive with the timing when it is cooler out. The problem is if its tuned in 60 deg weather and the person tuning it is agressive then your going to more than likely have pinging problems when the ambient temp is 80+. There are some guys who run a cool weather map and a hot weather map for this reason. I'm not much in to fiddling around like that so I would rather give up a few hp & ft/lb tq and strike a happy medium. If a bike is broken in and then tuned correctly it shouldn't need any retuning at 5,000 miles. The only regrets I have with the tune on my bike is I didn't have the tuner mess with the disk count on the Supermeg, I figure I left a few on the table.
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why are the pros that race bikes and cars checking and tuning at the track for differrent conditions??? how much can the ecm compensate for differrence in temp,humidity,mileage,carbon buildup.ask a tuner if your bike is tuned now and it makes a pair of 100s,will it still make them in august.
I am fairly certain you know why the pros that race bikes and cars are checking and tunning track side, but just in case you don't, it is to extract the last drop out and make sure they are consistant because of $$$ to be had. On the street with a couple of beer drinking buddies, one or two HP or TQ probably isn't going to make a difference but on the track with the Pros it very well could. Will the bike make the same numbers in August as it does in January? Probably not, unless you live in Minnesota. Later, Calvin.
I had SE AC and Rush pipes installed on my 09 Ultra. They did not have a SERT or a Pro Tuner out yet when I bought mine so I just did the stage 1 download. Bike ran so good that I cancelled the ProTuner. Have 5 thousand miles on it now and does great. You will never loose your download even when you take the battery out. I got the download done for $150.00. Bike runs very strong. Night and day improvement over stock.
I will be having the download, SE AC and Vance and Hines Basic Slip On's done on my 09 Ultra when parts come in. Your post makes me feel like this is the right way to go.
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Later, Calvin.
