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Old 11-30-2015, 01:10 AM
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Had this bike for a few years, recently interested in making the kick start a reliable start method. The electric start works, but I can kick it for hours with no result. I have gotten it to kick start twice in about 7 years. Both after 40+ minutes of hell.

Compufire electronic ignition
Rev tech 3 ohm dual coil and dual plug set up
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S&s super e

Runs great after its started. Very strong motor. Timing set by a professional mechanic so I assume it's correct. Wondering if some one knows if maybe my ignition or coils aren't good for kicking. Thought about going back to points but i feel like that's downgrading. Thanks for any help. BTW I have performed several searches for best kick tunes and such. None were specific to the parts that are installed on my bike though, and that's really what I'm asking about.
 
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Points or a Dyna S ignition.
Once timed, jetted, and valves set correctly, cold starts; ignition off/enrichener on, 3 primer kicks, drop enrichener, turn on ignition, crack throttle about 1/4 turn.........bingo.
Warm start; turn ignition on and 1 stab should have you running.
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Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com
Points or a Dyna S ignition.
Once timed, jetted, and valves set correctly, cold starts; ignition off/enrichener on, 3 primer kicks, drop enrichener, turn on ignition, crack throttle about 1/4 turn.........bingo.
Warm start; turn ignition on and 1 stab should have you running.
Scott
I still have 2 kick start bikes only,they can sit for 6 months at a time and usually start on the first or second kick. Good luck .
 
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After the OP becomes more familiar with his starting squences, the method which I described is generally a sure-fire way to light one off, in particularly in uncharted territory.
My 1967 FLH will light up on 1 when cold, about 1/2 a kick once warmed.
Good state of tune, sound engine, and the owner very familiar, is about 99 and 44 one hundreths percent of it.
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Make sure the ignition is compatible with kick start, some only fire after 2 revolutions, compufire has both kinds, guarantee this is your problem
 
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We have also witnessed those Comp ignitions waaay off on power vs a Crane, or Dyna 2000i, while on the dyno.
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I bought a new kick-start-only FX back in '74 - too tight to pay the extra for the FXE with electric starter! I sooned learned the folly of my ways. Even on a brand new bike, straight out of the factory, the darned thing could be troublesome. All my previous bikes had been kick-start only, so I was experienced. Most certainly ensure that you have a suitable ignition system for kicking. Scott has given you useful tips, so I suggest you bin yours and choose a Crane or Dyna, without further delay!
 
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Thanks for the suggestions. Can anyone recommend a dyna s that is 100% kick start compatible. Possibly a part number? I'm ok with changing to another electronic ignition. My old sporty was points and I liked how easy it was to kickstart but all my friends are telling me it would be a mistake to go back. Thanks
 
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I can't help you with the Dyna part number, but agree that it is a backward step to return to points. There was a time when we could buy 'new' wonder conversion kits, to dump points and advance mechanisms. They were night and day better once fitted!
 

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Bikes with kickers all have their own sequence and rituals that must be followed. The trick is finding it.

My '77 with S&S Super E and Dyna S dual fire was:
COLD. Ign. off, enrichner on full, no throttle, 2 kicks then one more with a 1/4 twist of the throttle.
Next, ign. on, 1/2 enrichner, 1/4 throttle and would fire within 2 kicks.

WARM. Ign. on 1/2 enrichner, 1/4 throttle it would light on first or second kick.





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