Help- cylinder wall marks- is it a problem?
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theres no room to bore 107" to a oversize,cylinders are a dime a dozen,so if it comes to that just get new cylinders & have them bored.you can use the pistons & just get new rings.
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The middle pic is disconcerting. 1 and 3 show some ghosting at the cylinder studs and oil drain passage but that is common.. More so on virgin cylinders than ones that have seen a bunch of heat cycles before boring. It's probably more prevalent on the 3.938 bores too. I'd be a little concerned about the cylinder finish.. looks like it was done with too fine a stone.. As the crosshatch is weak. I agree with Kirby, pull them. have them checked..
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if pistons show no damage (scuffing or wear marks) and are carefully mic`ed & found to be as new,no reason not to re-use them,new rings would be a must though
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Ok here is the deal, I just tore down the motor to add some ported and polished heads. My 107 kit has about 2500 miles so far. When I removed the old heads I noticed some marks on the cylinder walls. The front cylinder seems to have more marks then the rear. Is this something to worry about? The marks can't be felt with a fingernail.
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I agree with prodrag. Not normal.
That is the kind of pattern I've seen on my air-cooled VW drag race motors that have had the ring gaps butt solid. They deform almost into a clover leaf shape. Typically due to heat. Running lean, ring gaps set up just a bit too close etc. High performance air cooled VWs have much in common with HD motors.
A few years back, I brought the car with a fresh engine that had maybe 15 minutes of run time to the track. We won the event, but the last four rounds were only 15-20 minutes apart. Not enough time to cool down enough. It was a big event and the opportunity to win overcame my desire to keep the motor alive. Rather than withdraw to save the motor, I said "Screw it. I can fix it!" After I pulled up to the time slip booth after the final round, the motor shut itself off and wouldn't restart. Ah, good times!
Afterwards, the barrels looked like those in the original post and a couple were worse. I just replaced 'em since the dial bore gage revealed they were no longer round. The price of competition.
So, if they were mine, I'd run a dial bore gage in 'em checking several points. Should be done with torque plates to get a true reading. If they are still round, I'd run a rigid hone thru 'em to see if there are any low spots. If they'll clean up up without taking out a bunch of material....run 'em. If not....then weigh your options.
Even so, I'd say the rings are trash at the very least. But that's just my opinion. I'm still a rookie when it comes to HD motors, although the basic principles still apply.
That is the kind of pattern I've seen on my air-cooled VW drag race motors that have had the ring gaps butt solid. They deform almost into a clover leaf shape. Typically due to heat. Running lean, ring gaps set up just a bit too close etc. High performance air cooled VWs have much in common with HD motors.
A few years back, I brought the car with a fresh engine that had maybe 15 minutes of run time to the track. We won the event, but the last four rounds were only 15-20 minutes apart. Not enough time to cool down enough. It was a big event and the opportunity to win overcame my desire to keep the motor alive. Rather than withdraw to save the motor, I said "Screw it. I can fix it!" After I pulled up to the time slip booth after the final round, the motor shut itself off and wouldn't restart. Ah, good times!
Afterwards, the barrels looked like those in the original post and a couple were worse. I just replaced 'em since the dial bore gage revealed they were no longer round. The price of competition.
So, if they were mine, I'd run a dial bore gage in 'em checking several points. Should be done with torque plates to get a true reading. If they are still round, I'd run a rigid hone thru 'em to see if there are any low spots. If they'll clean up up without taking out a bunch of material....run 'em. If not....then weigh your options.
Even so, I'd say the rings are trash at the very least. But that's just my opinion. I'm still a rookie when it comes to HD motors, although the basic principles still apply.
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