EVO All Evo Model Discussion

Cracked Evo case at motor mount. Help!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 03-11-2013, 12:11 AM
CamaroRick1984's Avatar
CamaroRick1984
CamaroRick1984 is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Richmond Virginia
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Cracked Evo case at motor mount. Help!

I fixed the problem
 
Attached Thumbnails Cracked Evo case at motor mount. Help!-2013-03-10_15-29-49_99.jpg  

Last edited by CamaroRick1984; 08-12-2014 at 04:04 PM. Reason: Need this removed please
  #2  
Old 03-11-2013, 12:19 AM
3408pete's Avatar
3408pete
3408pete is offline
Ultimate HDF Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: on the road
Posts: 6,470
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

my guess is that it really wasnt your fault .Is the top mount on the motor loose as well??Before I took the motor out I would find the best welder in the land and have him look at it .I have seen a similiar repair made without welding using a billet piece of aluminum machined into a L shape that acts like a girdle or safety mount on top of the other pinching it down on the frame.Welding cast can be done but sometimes the results are less than spectacular
 
  #3  
Old 03-11-2013, 01:09 AM
megawatt's Avatar
megawatt
megawatt is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,286
Received 63 Likes on 56 Posts
Default

To my knowledge, the engine must come apart.
There is pre and post heating involved in weld repairs for cast aluminum from what I have been told.
When reassembling the bike, be sure to shim the engine and transmission mounts to eliminate any stress on the mounts due to variations in the engine/transmission mount alignment.
Even factory frames can require shims.
 

Last edited by megawatt; 03-11-2013 at 01:13 AM.
  #4  
Old 03-11-2013, 01:16 AM
3408pete's Avatar
3408pete
3408pete is offline
Ultimate HDF Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: on the road
Posts: 6,470
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

you are correct------------I cant even begin to count the number of cases I have seen at swap meets that you can tell they have been welded several times and then someone gave up on them.Usual story is you tear them down to weld the mount and then find other cracks so its another motor or different cases.



I would try the billet clamp for lack of a better term and use it on both sides until the engine needs to come down then attempt it then.This would be after a careful inspection of all mounts and mount bolts.My old evo keeps loosening the top motor mount and I just know some day it will break a lower tab
 
  #5  
Old 03-11-2013, 04:32 AM
Spanners39's Avatar
Spanners39
Spanners39 is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Coromandel Peninsula New Zealand
Posts: 6,982
Received 438 Likes on 252 Posts
Default

Kids eh? I dunno........... :-) :-) To be fair it probably wasn't your fault.
 
  #6  
Old 03-11-2013, 06:04 AM
grbrown's Avatar
grbrown
grbrown is offline
Club Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bedford UK
Posts: 45,435
Received 2,851 Likes on 2,419 Posts
Wink

I don't see any signs of an established stress fracture, so it hasn't been brewing and waiting for its chance to split. Unfortunately it may well be the result of an exuberant ride! However it wouldn't be fair to blame you as it could have happened to your Dad when he was making that killer put down pass, on another day!

If it is any consolation my shovel split off both its exhaust fixings (one on each head) and they were successfully welded, so welded repairs can be done and survive. I had mine done by a local drag racer who knew a thing or two about fixing broken motors!
 

Last edited by grbrown; 03-11-2013 at 06:07 AM. Reason: Changed link.
  #7  
Old 03-11-2013, 09:48 AM
Dr.Hess's Avatar
Dr.Hess
Dr.Hess is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NW AR
Posts: 8,010
Received 2,693 Likes on 1,341 Posts
Default

Yeah, I wouldn't call it your fault either, just "one of those things." You should not be able to break the motor mount by twisting the throttle.

As for fixing, well, did you find the other piece? I've seen some seriously good welding done on aluminum. It would help if you had the other piece. I would think the motor would have to come out to do a proper welding job. It may not have to come apart, but certainly come out and get 360'ed for the welding.
 
  #8  
Old 03-11-2013, 09:58 AM
jimsflh's Avatar
jimsflh
jimsflh is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,078
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

How's about removing the bolt, use a die grinder to create a flat surface, drill and tap the mount and put a piece of stock across the front and bolt it on. looks like you have enough meat there. you could do this with out removing the motor or worrying about magnatizing anything in it by welding it. If it doesn't hold you haven't lost much.
 
  #9  
Old 03-11-2013, 10:10 AM
traildog's Avatar
traildog
traildog is offline
Extreme HDF Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Indiana
Posts: 10,219
Received 699 Likes on 351 Posts
Default

If I was your Dad, I'd beat you until you were black and blue..........
 
  #10  
Old 03-11-2013, 10:52 AM
panz4ever's Avatar
panz4ever
panz4ever is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Santa Klaus County, Cali
Posts: 7,271
Received 3,210 Likes on 1,480 Posts
Default

"Hammer down" should not be the cause of that break. Most likely the motor was never shimmed properly (or never checked to see if it needed to be shimmed) before being bolted in the frame.

The motor will definitely have to come out of the frame and be disassembled for repair.

Couple of sources that I have used on my 49 EL project...

http://www.carlscyclesupply.com (for rairs to a set of OEM 49 heads)

http://creeksidemc.com (for repair of my OEM 49 cases)

Can give you positive feedback about both.

While the cases are out for fixing get some brass shim stock from a place like

http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRHM or

http://www.mcmaster.com

Once the cases are back and you have the lower end together, put the lower end in the frame. Next, torque to specs the rear motor mounts. Get a set of feeler gauges and see how much of a gap you have in the front mount-to-frame on bothe the right and left side. The closer you can get to zero withe the shim stock, the better. The right and left may require different thickness on each side.

And while you have the motor down for repairs you might want to check the tranny to ensure it sits flat on the mounts. From what you have descirbed I assume it is a custom rigid frame. Last thing you need is to have the tranny rocking in the frame. In rigid frames, the gap usually is found in the fifth bolt hole (the one that attaches on the right side).

Finally when all that is done and you have a new belt you need to make sure the rear belt is aligned properly and since you are running a primary belt then that too needs to be checked for proper alignment.

What you have done is mostly seen in old pans and knuckes that have been together, taken apart and reassembled in various forms over the years and put in frames that needed fixing but were not (motor mounts worn on frame and/or cases).

Good luck with the fix. Think about starting a new thread here about the fix so that someone behind you will have a resource should it happen to them. Take a lot of pictures as you go; it helps on the reassembly as well for reference. Now is the time to do some cleaning on areas you could not access before.

Good news is that by late spring you will be up and runnung again...
 

Last edited by panz4ever; 03-11-2013 at 10:57 AM.


Quick Reply: Cracked Evo case at motor mount. Help!



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:03 PM.