EVO All Evo Model Discussion

Primary is off, may have found the problem, opinions?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 08-29-2013, 09:06 AM
watindes's Avatar
watindes
watindes is offline
Cruiser
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: richmond
Posts: 247
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Primary is off, may have found the problem, opinions?

A while back I posted about a noise in my primary, noise with motor speed at idle, would go away when clutch engauged and shifted into first. Believed it was the clutch bearing.

I have removed the inner primary to find a bearing that is pressed into the inner primary case on the backside with a seal. That bearing is very gritty when turned. I am wondering if this bearing would make the noise, again it has to be pressed in and out of the inner pirmary cover.

Harley also said that my ISS seal has a slow oil leak and my small belt drive pully (transmission) is getting sharp. I have an old harley tech friend who looked at it said its nowhere near sharp, and there are no leaks I can see.

Could the dealer really try to sell me somthing I dont need that is that expensive. I mean a flush or somthing that costs 100 or so to upsell I can see but to BS someone on a job that big, really?

Anyway what type of noise would that bearing make?

Thank you

jesse
1986 flhtc
 
  #2  
Old 08-29-2013, 09:41 AM
texashillcountry's Avatar
texashillcountry
texashillcountry is offline
Dirt don't hurt

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Haslet Texas
Posts: 20,999
Likes: 0
Received 4,317 Likes on 1,946 Posts
Default

First what is an ISS seal?

Second even a little wear on a bearing can cause noise.

Third there is a reason some here call the dealership the stealership.
If they can get money out of you they will. Some indys do it too.
To be honest not all dealerships do this but it sure seems that way.

Just change the bearing and see what happens.
 
  #3  
Old 08-29-2013, 03:56 PM
Spanners39's Avatar
Spanners39
Spanners39 is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Coromandel Peninsula New Zealand
Posts: 6,986
Received 447 Likes on 255 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by texashillcountry
First what is an ISS seal?

.
Inner Shift Shaft maybe?

A gritty IPB would make a noise for sure but you say it goes away when you pull the clutch in, which don't sound quite right but replace the bearing for starters and see where you end up.
 
  #4  
Old 08-29-2013, 07:02 PM
Baird's Avatar
Baird
Baird is offline
Road Master
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: St. Catharines, Ontario
Posts: 1,147
Received 1,060 Likes on 436 Posts
Default

If I went that far ( opening the primary) I would change every bearing and seal in sight. That's what I call "shotgun" troubleshooting, but beats opening it up again a day later.
Easy for me to say, but I have the tooling to do most of the replacements.
 
  #5  
Old 08-29-2013, 07:21 PM
texashillcountry's Avatar
texashillcountry
texashillcountry is offline
Dirt don't hurt

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Haslet Texas
Posts: 20,999
Likes: 0
Received 4,317 Likes on 1,946 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Spanners39
Inner Shift Shaft maybe?

A gritty IPB would make a noise for sure but you say it goes away when you pull the clutch in, which don't sound quite right but replace the bearing for starters and see where you end up.
Ok I'll play again.
What is an Inner Shift Shaft?

The only shift seal I know of in in the tranny.

And I agree with replacing all seals and gaskets when you have the inner primary off.
 
  #6  
Old 08-29-2013, 10:37 PM
RidemyEVO's Avatar
RidemyEVO
RidemyEVO is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Northern Ontario
Posts: 3,039
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by texashillcountry
Ok I'll play again.
What is an Inner Shift Shaft?

The only shift seal I know of in in the tranny.

And I agree with replacing all seals and gaskets when you have the inner primary off.
Come on Tex you know what the iss is.
The shifter seal on the tranny.
 
  #7  
Old 08-30-2013, 05:56 AM
texashillcountry's Avatar
texashillcountry
texashillcountry is offline
Dirt don't hurt

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Haslet Texas
Posts: 20,999
Likes: 0
Received 4,317 Likes on 1,946 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RidemyEVO
Come on Tex you know what the iss is.
The shifter seal on the tranny.
That would be my guess too (as I said in my post) but I thought the OP was talking about a seal in the inner primary.
 
  #8  
Old 08-30-2013, 07:19 AM
watindes's Avatar
watindes
watindes is offline
Cruiser
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: richmond
Posts: 247
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Shaft seal is what I mean correct. I Have a complete gasket kit for her.
 
  #9  
Old 08-30-2013, 07:32 AM
Schex's Avatar
Schex
Schex is offline
Supporter
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: SE Louisiana
Posts: 5,201
Received 6,816 Likes on 1,760 Posts
Default

The IPB on the trans input shaft stops turning when the clutch is in and in gear.

The bearing you speak of(inner primary bearing) and the inner race that's pressed on the trans input shaft will need replacing.

There is also a ball bearing inside the clutch basket that turns when the clutch is pulled, it's lives very close to the IPB and can get trash in it from the IPB tearing up.

You'll have to remove the clutch plate stack to rotate the hub inside the basket to inspect that bearing for roughness.
 
  #10  
Old 08-30-2013, 12:25 PM
RidemyEVO's Avatar
RidemyEVO
RidemyEVO is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Northern Ontario
Posts: 3,039
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by texashillcountry
That would be my guess too (as I said in my post) but I thought the OP was talking about a seal in the inner primary.
You was scaring me was all.
 


Quick Reply: Primary is off, may have found the problem, opinions?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:33 AM.