Exhaust System Topics New and old exhaust system discussions. Fitment issues to sound bites and suggestions. Post them here.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Jekill and Hyde

Rear cylinder running rich ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 03-02-2010, 12:10 AM
John69red's Avatar
John69red
John69red is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Rear cylinder running rich ?

Hello to everyone I am new to the forum officialy but have been reading and getting info for a long time. I own a 06 Street Bob with about 4500k. I recently had the dealer install a race fueler along with a SE heavy breather. I already had a set of big radius with BCT baffles I had installed. Thing is now the engine light comes on sporadically. I ran codes and P0152 rear 02 sensor high (rich) came up. I cleared code ran her again same thing engine light coming on and off with same code. Checked rear plug not too bad but gap was a little off had to open her up a bit. Ran bike code popped up again. Adjusted fueler to run a tad leaner same result. Dealer had same issue and even changed out 02 sensor. Bike is running good but light and code are pissing me off. I know I need to get her dynoed but what could be the cause of the rich rear cylinder. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
  #2  
Old 03-02-2010, 07:59 AM
Kingofcubes's Avatar
Kingofcubes
Kingofcubes is offline
Road Master
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Mitchellville, Ia.
Posts: 850
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Could be a number of things. Pipes, quench, port differences, or other causes. Often happens that a rear map looks dirfferent than the front. I would get it dynoed asap.
 
  #3  
Old 03-02-2010, 06:56 PM
SEDELUXE's Avatar
SEDELUXE
SEDELUXE is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

take the dfo off the bike. your o2 sensors will run a tad richer but not great whats happening is the sensor is actually trying to lean the mixtute out and the dfo is throwing more fuel in it. confusing the o2 sensors and creating havoc on your fuel delivery system .
remove the dfo . sell on ebay and buy a real tuner such as the TTS down load a stg 1 into it and be done with it.
you dont really ned adyno would be nice and really clean it up but for now yank the dfo off and its ok to ride lean but ok. then like i stated buy a TTS
 
  #4  
Old 03-02-2010, 11:45 PM
John69red's Avatar
John69red
John69red is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

So are you saying the SE race fueler could be bad and that could be the cause of my issues. Bike did run super well with out the fueler and SE heavy breather.
 
  #5  
Old 03-03-2010, 09:40 AM
Old Gunny's Avatar
Old Gunny
Old Gunny is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,984
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Samee same with SEDelux.
TTS.
I go with, inside the ECM, program modifiers rather that add-ons.
 
  #6  
Old 03-03-2010, 10:35 AM
SEDELUXE's Avatar
SEDELUXE
SEDELUXE is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

im not saying it your bike is telling you it may be . also check the connections first. but i doubt the connections are loose
this is what may be happening.
the ecm is sending the signal to the inj to fire and in between the inj wire and ecm is the race fueler intercepting the signal telling it to add more fuel. now it adds fuel the sensor in the exhaust pipe reads its slightly rich and sends a signal back to the ecm telling it to lean it out but the race fueler does not care it still adds fuel and it still reads rich you may have cleared the codes on the speedo but you did not clear the dcodes in the ecm you have to have the TTS or super tuner or SERT to actually clear the codes correctly.
pull that piece of junk off the bike and sell it and buy a real tuner.
 
  #7  
Old 03-03-2010, 11:16 AM
wurk_truk's Avatar
wurk_truk
wurk_truk is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ashland Ohio
Posts: 2,543
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Lets clear some thing up. What exactly is this 'race fueler' you are talking about. It REALLY helps to call things by their actual name. Is it a Screaming Eagle Race Tuner (SERT)? Then, no... do NOT pull that off. Is it some el cheapo race 'fueler' installed by the dealer? Is it some V&H fueler? What is it?

If it IS a SERT, then the best bet is to get a dyno done, as the installed map isn't correct for the bike. I installed a TTS map that did the same thing as you. Put the dyno tune map in, and all that went away.

Best bet is this (for telling what fueler you have...) can you SEE something that is 'added' on to the bike somewhere? Does it have like 4 dials? Something similar? Then THAT is an add-on. SERT/TTS is a way to get inside the ECM itself and is cables and an adapter box.
 

Last edited by wurk_truk; 03-03-2010 at 11:23 AM.
  #8  
Old 03-03-2010, 03:40 PM
07RoadHawg's Avatar
07RoadHawg
07RoadHawg is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Here
Posts: 1,789
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I think the race fueler is a "pot" device like the Revtech DFO or Techlusion TFI but branded HD. I remember seeing them in a HD catalog or online somewhere, but it's been a while.
 
  #9  
Old 03-03-2010, 04:43 PM
SEDELUXE's Avatar
SEDELUXE
SEDELUXE is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

road hawg is correct the race fueler is a dfo digital fuel optomizer. it adds fuel its a add on piece like the tfi or revtech. its suppose to be like tuning a carb with 3 buttons to turn to add more fuel in 3 areas of throttleposition. idle mid throttle and wide open. sort of like the jets and on a carb
 
  #10  
Old 03-03-2010, 06:06 PM
John69red's Avatar
John69red
John69red is offline
1st Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Yes it is a Harley SE race fueler (that is actual name)with the 6 pentometers not the race tuner. I went this route to save some $$ but it looks like I am going to have to spring for a Sert or PC III.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jobibreakout
Engine Mechanical Topics
3
09-14-2016 07:55 AM
Sam01
Touring Models
25
04-20-2016 09:16 AM
r0senberg
Dyna Glide Models
1
08-09-2013 09:07 AM
DynaRyda06
Ignition/Tuner/ECM/Fuel Injection
6
04-17-2010 06:25 PM
John69red
Dyna Glide Models
3
03-01-2010 04:43 PM



Quick Reply: Rear cylinder running rich ?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:55 PM.