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Old 04-17-2015, 12:04 AM
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My TriGlide tends to run hot. Measuring engine oil temp, via the HD digital dipstick thingy it was not unusual to exceed 300 in stop and go traffic in hot weather. So, my changes in the past included Wards Fans... That based upon my unscientific data seemed to reduce temp by 20 to 30 degrees. With these turned on I never exceeded 260 oil temp and never went into EITMS.

But, I figured I needed more. So, I just installed the Jagg 10 row oil cooler with fan. I kept the Harley adapter and connected the fan to the aux switch.

I took a test ride today. Both the Wards and Jagg fan on. Ambient 80 degrees, speed between 25 to 35, revs averaged 2,500. Some stop and go traffic. But typically moved around 30. Except there were a few 50MPH spots, that I got on it and shifted at 4,000. So... Anyhow... After 20 miles I checked the oil temperature. 267 degrees??? WTF? I was better with just the Wards fans. This doesn't make sense...

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Not to be remedial, does the cooler have a bypass and is it open?
 
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Did you add any oil to compensate for the oil in the cooler and associated lines? Did you verify that oil is flowing through the cooler?
 

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I really haven't looked at trikes too much. I have quite a bit of experience with high performance air cooled VWs. They have the same type of issues.

So, a question, then a statement....
Does air flow thru the bodywork of a trike or is it bottled up behind the motor?

The reason I ask is because for an air cooled motor to cool, air has to move over it. This would be especially true of the oil cooler.
 
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Not to be remedial, does the cooler have a bypass and is it open?
Good question. I purposely did not install the Jagg adapter thatbhas a thermostatically operated bypass valve because the least of my concerns was allowing the oil to heat up.
 
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Originally Posted by monkeyboy22
Did you add any oil to compensate for the oil in the cooler and associated lines? Did you verify that oil is flowing through the cooler?
Yes, it took just a few ounces to top it up.

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I really haven't looked at trikes too much. I have quite a bit of experience with high performance air cooled VWs. They have the same type of issues.

So, a question, then a statement....
Does air flow thru the bodywork of a trike or is it bottled up behind the motor?

The reason I ask is because for an air cooled motor to cool, air has to move over it. This would be especially true of the oil cooler.
Good questions. One of the issues with the trike is that the rear end prevents a good flow of air over the motor. To help alleviate this I have removed the lower fairing vent covers, and typically aim the batwing vents toward the motor.
 
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Originally Posted by TriGeezer
Good question. I purposely did not install the Jagg adapter thatbhas a thermostatically operated bypass valve because the least of my concerns was allowing the oil to heat up.
Without the thermostatically operated bypass value being used, I doubt that the oil is sitting in the Jagg cooler long enough to get cooled down.

Remember when we used to switch out the thermostat in our cars seasonally? If it got stuck in the winter, we would just break it open with a screw driver.
We would get reminded in the spring that it needed replaced because our auto temps would get too hot.

Same principal. The free flow of water/antifreeze through the radiator wouldn't allow the mixture to cool down.

Your oil needs more time in the Jagg cooler. Install the thermostat.
 
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Originally Posted by Mickey Shane
Without the thermostatically operated bypass value being used, I doubt that the oil is sitting in the Jagg cooler long enough to get cooled down.

Remember when we used to switch out the thermostat in our cars seasonally? If it got stuck in the winter, we would just break it open with a screw driver.
We would get reminded in the spring that it needed replaced because our auto temps would get too hot.

Same principal. The free flow of water/antifreeze through the radiator wouldn't allow the mixture to cool down.

Your oil needs more time in the Jagg cooler. Install the thermostat.
Hmmm...interesting perspective. In the terms of my Japanese ex- business partners "must study".
 
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Originally Posted by Mickey Shane
Without the thermostatically operated bypass value being used, I doubt that the oil is sitting in the Jagg cooler long enough to get cooled down.

Remember when we used to switch out the thermostat in our cars seasonally? If it got stuck in the winter, we would just break it open with a screw driver.
We would get reminded in the spring that it needed replaced because our auto temps would get too hot.

Same principal. The free flow of water/antifreeze through the radiator wouldn't allow the mixture to cool down.

Your oil needs more time in the Jagg cooler. Install the thermostat.
I thought the thermostat stays shut until the fluid got to temperature, then it opened, free flowed the fluid through cooler until fluid cooled enough to close the stat and it repeats
 
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Originally Posted by Mickey Shane
Without the thermostatically operated bypass value being used, I doubt that the oil is sitting in the Jagg cooler long enough to get cooled down.

Your oil needs more time in the Jagg cooler. Install the thermostat.
This isn't correct. The thermostat keeps oil from ENTERING the oil cooler.
 


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