96 vs. 103 engines??
#21
08-13-2012, 08:20 PM
I have a 96. I just rode four bikes with a 103 and could completely feel the difference. The added torque makes a huge difference. Also, If you properly upgrade the cams and heads in a 103, you'll have more horsepower than a CVO.
#22
08-13-2012, 08:50 PM
For that kind of $ I would be looking at new. Don't buy a used bike from a dealer or you'll get hosed. If you buy new, you'll have the full warranty.
In stock form, I can't tell the difference from a 96 & a 103. Even with a stage 1, the gain is minimal and you would never notice it from the seat of your pants. Yes, the 103 will show a little more torque on the dyno, but very little. 6th gear is very usable on my 96" Dyna at 55+. My 96 is stage 1, SE race tuner & dyno tuned, so that helps it some from stock.
In stock form, I can't tell the difference from a 96 & a 103. Even with a stage 1, the gain is minimal and you would never notice it from the seat of your pants. Yes, the 103 will show a little more torque on the dyno, but very little. 6th gear is very usable on my 96" Dyna at 55+. My 96 is stage 1, SE race tuner & dyno tuned, so that helps it some from stock.
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#23
08-13-2012, 09:28 PM
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My 88 in my Dyna will run circles around the 96 in my 08 Street Glide but that's apples to oranges... Good luck with your decision!
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08-13-2012, 10:11 PM
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Well, I'm not going to post the pics as I have them elsewhere but I went to day to an earlier dealer where I had only looked at new bikes. Since I opened the floor to all bikes I went to see a 2009 FLSTC with a lot of extras that were all on my I want them list. I bought the bike with all those goodies plus 1 year extended warranty plus HD basic rider course for $15,240 OTD which was about $13,200 for the bike, $1k for warranty/course and the rest taxes etc.
I'm pretty sure for my riding style this will be all the bike I need. It has V&H BSL pipes and stage 1 a/c which should be plenty for solo only riding. The rest is in my thread in the softail forum. I think 96 will be plenty here though.
I'm pretty sure for my riding style this will be all the bike I need. It has V&H BSL pipes and stage 1 a/c which should be plenty for solo only riding. The rest is in my thread in the softail forum. I think 96 will be plenty here though.
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08-13-2012, 11:10 PM
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Well, I'm not going to post the pics as I have them elsewhere but I went to day to an earlier dealer where I had only looked at new bikes. Since I opened the floor to all bikes I went to see a 2009 FLSTC with a lot of extras that were all on my I want them list. I bought the bike with all those goodies plus 1 year extended warranty plus HD basic rider course for $15,240 OTD which was about $13,200 for the bike, $1k for warranty/course and the rest taxes etc.
I'm pretty sure for my riding style this will be all the bike I need. It has V&H BSL pipes and stage 1 a/c which should be plenty for solo only riding. The rest is in my thread in the softail forum. I think 96 will be plenty here though.
I'm pretty sure for my riding style this will be all the bike I need. It has V&H BSL pipes and stage 1 a/c which should be plenty for solo only riding. The rest is in my thread in the softail forum. I think 96 will be plenty here though.
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08-13-2012, 11:26 PM
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Yep, upgrading the motor was something I was very confident I would not do. My 96" was good enough.
That was 5 years ago. I am now breaking in my 103", high compression pistons with SE 255 cams and Thunder Header exhaust.
Yep, crow doesnt taste too bad with a little salt and when I twist the throttle, makes me smile real big. Never say never.
That was 5 years ago. I am now breaking in my 103", high compression pistons with SE 255 cams and Thunder Header exhaust.
Yep, crow doesnt taste too bad with a little salt and when I twist the throttle, makes me smile real big. Never say never.
#27
08-14-2012, 07:25 AM
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Way too much for that bike but I guarantee you they won't move much off that price.
The 96 will have more power than you will ever need. I've ridden both and could barely notice a difference.
The 96 will have more power than you will ever need. I've ridden both and could barely notice a difference.
#28
08-14-2012, 08:11 AM
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Something you have to think about also is the weight of the bike and weight to power ratio. A 96 in a Super Glide is not the same as a 96 in a Heritage. In running order stock, the heritage weighs 82 lbs. more....that's HUGE in bike terms.
You can put similar hp & tq to the ground, but a heavier bike is not going to react to it like a lighter bike. It takes about 10 ft/lb of torgue to offset 80 lbs in bike weight...you can do the math easily based on dyno tq #s & bike weights in stock running order.
Basically a stock 96 in a Super Glide will be quicker than a stock 103 in a Heritage because the TQ to weight ratio is slightly better in the 96 Dyna. Again it takes 10 ft/lb of torque to offset 80 lbs & the 103 has 8 more ft/lb of tq at the flywheel, which transfers to slightly less than that at the rear wheel & the Heritage weighs 82 lbs more.
Having said all that, a 96 will handle any bike just fine, especially for the way you describe you want to ride.
You can put similar hp & tq to the ground, but a heavier bike is not going to react to it like a lighter bike. It takes about 10 ft/lb of torgue to offset 80 lbs in bike weight...you can do the math easily based on dyno tq #s & bike weights in stock running order.
Basically a stock 96 in a Super Glide will be quicker than a stock 103 in a Heritage because the TQ to weight ratio is slightly better in the 96 Dyna. Again it takes 10 ft/lb of torque to offset 80 lbs & the 103 has 8 more ft/lb of tq at the flywheel, which transfers to slightly less than that at the rear wheel & the Heritage weighs 82 lbs more.
Having said all that, a 96 will handle any bike just fine, especially for the way you describe you want to ride.
