103 Motor and performance build ?
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103 Motor and performance build ?
I built high performance bike motors for years, unfortunately they were all Suzuki's or Kawi's, and I have a 2012 WG sitting in the garage now.
Haven't done much on Harley motors since the late 70's and it's now a new learning curve.
What I have decided so far is to run an different intake, Rineheart 2 into 1 exhaust, master tune TTS and cams and ??
It's the cams and ? I'm having trouble with.
Had the cam figured when I thought the wife and I would be riding the together, torque and more torque.
Now that she has a Spyder, I'll be the only one on the bike and a new cam choice is required.
One more designed to go fast.
Also with the added tq/hp what else is required or suggested to make the motor function better, clutch mods, valve springs, injector mods/upgrades, etc?
New motor so boring is not an option though.
And what else can I do over the winter to get a few extra ponies, such as port work, ignition, etc?
All while not losing to much reliability.
Searches have left me with a ton of suggestions, but what seems to be missing is a basic step by step as to different levels of mods and what needs to and can be done.
Considering how long Harley has been around, I don't think it's missing, I think I'm not looking in the right place.
Going on line and searching the dealers of speed parts tend to be like asking a sponsored fishing pro what kind of bait to use, you'll get what he is pushing and not a broad overview of what's out there. imho
Any suggestions?
TIA
Al
Haven't done much on Harley motors since the late 70's and it's now a new learning curve.
What I have decided so far is to run an different intake, Rineheart 2 into 1 exhaust, master tune TTS and cams and ??
It's the cams and ? I'm having trouble with.
Had the cam figured when I thought the wife and I would be riding the together, torque and more torque.
Now that she has a Spyder, I'll be the only one on the bike and a new cam choice is required.
One more designed to go fast.
Also with the added tq/hp what else is required or suggested to make the motor function better, clutch mods, valve springs, injector mods/upgrades, etc?
New motor so boring is not an option though.
And what else can I do over the winter to get a few extra ponies, such as port work, ignition, etc?
All while not losing to much reliability.
Searches have left me with a ton of suggestions, but what seems to be missing is a basic step by step as to different levels of mods and what needs to and can be done.
Considering how long Harley has been around, I don't think it's missing, I think I'm not looking in the right place.
Going on line and searching the dealers of speed parts tend to be like asking a sponsored fishing pro what kind of bait to use, you'll get what he is pushing and not a broad overview of what's out there. imho
Any suggestions?
TIA
Al
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But I'd like to get most of it done during this winter, summers to short here to be wrenching on a bike.
fwiw I'll keep posting on what I come up with.
Al
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Sure hoping to..
Had been thinking of going with an S&S 551 cam, but that one is not needed now.
Local bike builder says I should stay with HD cams, not so sure though.
Looking also at the HD Variable pressure clutch, sounds like it'll let me stay with stock springs yet generate more power with out clutch slippage.
Al
Had been thinking of going with an S&S 551 cam, but that one is not needed now.
Local bike builder says I should stay with HD cams, not so sure though.
Looking also at the HD Variable pressure clutch, sounds like it'll let me stay with stock springs yet generate more power with out clutch slippage.
Al
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There is a sticky in the touring section called "dyno numbers for baggers" there's a lot of different set ups and the hp/tq from their results. Even though you don't have a touring model you mind find it interesting to read some of the results.
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Sure hoping to..
Had been thinking of going with an S&S 551 cam, but that one is not needed now.
Local bike builder says I should stay with HD cams, not so sure though.
Looking also at the HD Variable pressure clutch, sounds like it'll let me stay with stock springs yet generate more power with out clutch slippage.
Al
Had been thinking of going with an S&S 551 cam, but that one is not needed now.
Local bike builder says I should stay with HD cams, not so sure though.
Looking also at the HD Variable pressure clutch, sounds like it'll let me stay with stock springs yet generate more power with out clutch slippage.
Al
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I'll take a look Dr Death, thanks.
Twistnride, I think he mentioned either the 255 or the 254 cams depending on what I ended up doing with the rest of the motor.
I'm a heavier rider and run mostly either in town or secondary roads, torque in that lower range is still important, figuring 1500 to 5,000 rpm.
I'm giving some thought to going a bit deeper in final drive gearing, that may have me running normally a bit higher in rpm.
Good point though, thanks.
Al
Twistnride, I think he mentioned either the 255 or the 254 cams depending on what I ended up doing with the rest of the motor.
I'm a heavier rider and run mostly either in town or secondary roads, torque in that lower range is still important, figuring 1500 to 5,000 rpm.
I'm giving some thought to going a bit deeper in final drive gearing, that may have me running normally a bit higher in rpm.
Good point though, thanks.
Al
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Not sure but thinking that my plans of the 2 into 1 Rinehearts, stage 1 A/C, TTS mastertune and some sort of cam may only bring appox 105 tq and under a 100 hp. ??
Was hoping to get to that 105-110 hp and 110-115tq level or higher.
Wondering if a bit of head work will give them kind of numbers?
I know, hard to tell, but just bench racing and hoping to figure out what I need to do.
tia
Al
#10
Head work and woods 777 cams will give you in the area of 110hp and 117tq. Check out this link:
http://fuelmotousa.com/cams.htm
http://fuelmotousa.com/cams.htm