ja, My VCI is the orange 32109-08C, IIRC the latest version before Pro Super Tuners were obsoleted.

The factory folks spent some time establishing exactly what my hardware/software combinations are. They even assigned me a Factory Service Number for my question for future reference. Thought that was kinda cool. Guess I'm in the factory books now.

Smiles your way

 

I said it before but some of you missed it or chose not to read it. For the new add-on WB module to work with the ECM it must be programmed to do so! There is no way around this, it must be done. That is just why they tell you in the Pro STREET Tuner you must check it off. By doing so the necessary changes are being put into the ECM when programming is done. There is NO adjustment added, so you are limited to what they already give you in the street tuner. The Pro Super tuner would have to be updated to do the same and I doubt that HD will do it but you never know for sure, maybe there fine wasn't enough.

 

Steve, I understand and believe everything you say. With that in mind, it's obvious the software to make the ATM work with Pro Super Tuner is in there somewhere. It may be in more than one place but possible locations are the VCI firmware, the ATM firmware or the software itself. It may have pieces in multiple locations.

If it's a job of simply enabling the function that would be relatively simple. Not gonna know what will pop-up until the system is turned on with an ATM in the system.

It's obvious wide-band O2 sensor functionality is present with:
1. Pro Street VCI
2. ATM
3. Software 10.001.XXXX

If software 9.002.0001 (available immediately prior to 10.001.0000) contains the ability to enable wide-band O2 sensors that would be a gift. Earlier revisions may contain the function as well.

If 10.001.0000 and later are required then the job gets harder. But not impossible.

First step will be to see what happens when all three components, including Pro Super Tuner and 9.002.0001 software, are hooked-up as a system. If "Enable Wide-Band O2 Sensors" pops up on the screen I will be very happy.

 

Wouldn't it violate the new EPA rules if they made it backwards compatible with the SE Pro Super Tuner?

 

That is a distinct possibility, but since MoCo no longer sells Pro Super Tuner they may be protected.

As an example, MoCo sells spark plugs and those too can be used on an EPA non-compliant motorcycle. That's a crude example but it's kinda the same thing.

 

I guess it's also possible the MoCo was planning on releasing a new VCI, something like a 32109-08D and appropriate software that would work with WB O2 sensors. Instead they had to release the castrated Pro Street Tuner VCI and software.

Dunno but want to find out the answer. We're all just speculating until someone does a test.

 

If it turns out it will only work with the new kinder gentler street tuner then I wonder if using XiED's in conjunction with the atm could be a work around?

 

roussfam, Do we know what the difference is between the Pro Street Tuner and Pro Super Tuner? Not the functional differences but the real hardware/software differences. My bet is it's just a firmware difference.

 

I guess Harley would not allowed to advertise it as such if it did work and miss out on the existing Pro Super Tuner customer base. Hopefully someone with deep pockets will take this on.

Jim

 

It's got nothing to do with the VCI. In order for it to work the calibration in the ECM needs to be changed. It's been there for years and several aftermarket company's have tried to use it in the past but it doesn't work very well. The truth is it was never designed too! The code and calibration to make it work were there for development purposes only, sure you can go into it and change things but it just doesn't work well UNLESS the calibration in the ECM is very close in all operating conditions to start with. At that point you not going to really notice much of a change if any at all.