Completely Disabling Buttonless Fob Security Systems ('07 up)
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10-06-2014, 06:28 AM
Jeebus, I've always hated this system, but if you've got it, I suppose it's a good idea to keep. Given the option of attempting this conversion and just keeping new batteries in the fob, I think I'll just keep new batteries in the fob. My luck, I'd have the system so screwed up, I'd have to have it towed to the dealer and fixed, lol.
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12-05-2014, 08:38 PM
exact timing on TSSM replacement
The hardest part of the whole replacement is waiting EXACTLY 10 min, to be there, remembering your sequence,and entering it in 10 SECONDS. X 3. That's like 30 minutes of staring at the light. When you mess up the timing you cant just start over. I cant remember off hand but I think you have to disconnect the main fuse. With that said maybe it might be better to remove the system.
I find if you try to start you bike on power other then battery you will cause an electrical upset somewhere that will give you a TSSM fail, but it will not be the TSSM. mine was a load leveler. The TSSM was good!
I find if you try to start you bike on power other then battery you will cause an electrical upset somewhere that will give you a TSSM fail, but it will not be the TSSM. mine was a load leveler. The TSSM was good!
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12-14-2014, 07:55 AM
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Posting to help maybe this is old info. I was always having issues. Thought it was fob batteries. Thought it was tssm. In reality it was my cell phone. Put fob and cell phone too close together and no go. 0 issues after I figured this out. And my security has never caused battery issues. My battery was original and was over 5 years old when it was replaced.
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Wait a sec....
All of these "copy/paste" instruction sets I see regarding the "downgrade" from HFSM to TSM (NOT TSSM) fail to mention one thing. When attempting to marry a TSM to ECM you have NO security light feature helping you determine that the 10 min cycle has in fact lapsed. You are going on time alone and you need to be pretty spot on. Came here looking for the exact 10 minute window span because it's significantly more difficult without the sec. light. I've done it successfully several times, but unsuccessfully many more. Seems the only time it works for me is when I babysit the bike the entire 30+ minutes with stopwatch in hand...... Just thought it's odd that some of you are confirming you've done this without mention of this issue.
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Hi SS,
Hate it when that happens. Unfortunately, a Nightster would not fall in the category of 07 and later Touring, and would have different electronics and ECU.
I do try to be responsible for all my posts, but as I said, I'm not a technician, and just did the research for the 07 later touring. Have you tried a google search for the Sportster/Nightster model? I'm sure that a dealer is not going to reveal the procedure to you for free, so that won't help. If you put the stock turn signal module back in, will the bike at least run? Has anybody on the forum changed out a TSSM on a Sportster, who could help SS out?
Jon
Hate it when that happens. Unfortunately, a Nightster would not fall in the category of 07 and later Touring, and would have different electronics and ECU.
I do try to be responsible for all my posts, but as I said, I'm not a technician, and just did the research for the 07 later touring. Have you tried a google search for the Sportster/Nightster model? I'm sure that a dealer is not going to reveal the procedure to you for free, so that won't help. If you put the stock turn signal module back in, will the bike at least run? Has anybody on the forum changed out a TSSM on a Sportster, who could help SS out?
Jon
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This works!!
For those of you do-it-yourselfers out there (like me) who don't want to have to make the trip to the dealer every time they want something done, let me relate my experience with removing the TSSM non-pushbutton security system on my '08 Ultra. This may work for other bikes, but I'm not a factory mechanic - so I can only confirm that this will work on '07 and later touring. One of the advantages of doing this yourself is that you can keep your original module (along with a printout of this post) and re-install it at any time without another trip to the dealer, or if the bike's new owner wants a security system.
The factory security system is contained within the Turn Signal Module (TSM), which becomes a Turn Signal Security Module (TSSM) when it is so equipped. If you are disabling the TSSM (do NOT want a security system on your bike) then you have a TSSM installed now, HD p/n 68924-07. This is a roughly cone-shaped device in a black plastic case, mounted vertically under the seat and to the right (starboard) side. Mine was held down with a silver metal clip. The first thing we need to do is replace this item with a NON-security equipped TSM.
So before you go hunting for the TSSM on your bike and removing it, buy the part you're going to replace it with - in this case, HD p/n 68920-07. They are $114 new from Harley, but I found many on eBay and bought one for $24.95 including shipping to my door. You will also need (highly recommended) a 2 amp (or so) motorcycle battery charger to complete the job safely.
Okay - now, we have everything we need to do the job completely. Find the TSSM under the seat of your bike, remove the clip, and lift it out. There will be TWO connectors plugged in to it; remove both. Note that one of the plugs is larger than the other - this is the input, ECM, and turn signal connector - we will use this again. The smaller plug is the output for pager and siren - tape that one up to protect it and set it aside for now. Plug the larger plug into your new TSM, and slide the assembly back into place, carefully storing the loose connector where it won't rattle or take too much wear.
Whoa. That's it?
Nope. If you try to start your bike at this point, it will rumble and die, and you'll be cursing me for life. The bike knows that the security system has been compromised, and is trying to protect you, the owner. Getting it to feel all warm and fuzzy about its new body parts takes another half an hour - which kind of discourages the swap-out-and-quick-getaway-routine by a more unscrupulous rider who just happens to be enamored with your new paint job.
In the next step, we're going to have the bike's ignition (and lighting) on for more than half an hour, so here's the part where we plug in a 2 amp battery charger to keep things live. With the battery charger hooked up, perform the following:
1. Be sure the ignition has been OFF for 15 seconds or more before starting the procedure.
2. Set Run/Off switch to RUN.
3. Turn ignition key on, do not start. Verify that the Check Engine Light and Security Light come on, and wait for them to go out.
4. Attempt a normal start with the Start button. Engine should come to life and then die. The Check Engine Light should light up and stay on.
5. Wait ten seconds. The Security Light now comes on. The ECM has now entered communication mode with the TSM for the next ten minutes. Look at your watch and do something else for the next ten minutes, but don't shut off the bike, let the battery die, flip any switches, or unplug anything electrical. Just polish the fenders or something.
6. In ten minutes, the security light will turn off. Within 15 seconds, turn the ignition key Off and back On. This Off-On motion should be crisp, completed in two seconds or less. The Security Light comes back on, and you have another ten minute wait.
7. When the Security light goes out again, repeat step six.
8. When the Security Light goes out this time, do the Off-On thing, then when the Security Light comes back on again, shut the ignition OFF. Wait at least 15 seconds, during which time you should be (carefully) unplugging your battery charger (unplug from the wall outlet, then from the bike, right...?).
9. With 15 seconds or more gone by, turn your ignition on, confirm the Run button, confirm neutral, and start your bike. You've created a happy marriage between your ECM and the new TSM, and you no longer have to worry about having a key fob or memorizing a security code. Now you can just worry about someone riding off with your bike whilst you're suckin down a brew in the local pub - use the fork lock!
If you're like me, you'll never remember all this two years from now when you're selling your bike, so print this out, take the battery out of your key fob, and put the fob, TSSM, and this paper in a ziplock bag and store it wherever you would go to look for it two years from now. Happy riding!
The factory security system is contained within the Turn Signal Module (TSM), which becomes a Turn Signal Security Module (TSSM) when it is so equipped. If you are disabling the TSSM (do NOT want a security system on your bike) then you have a TSSM installed now, HD p/n 68924-07. This is a roughly cone-shaped device in a black plastic case, mounted vertically under the seat and to the right (starboard) side. Mine was held down with a silver metal clip. The first thing we need to do is replace this item with a NON-security equipped TSM.
So before you go hunting for the TSSM on your bike and removing it, buy the part you're going to replace it with - in this case, HD p/n 68920-07. They are $114 new from Harley, but I found many on eBay and bought one for $24.95 including shipping to my door. You will also need (highly recommended) a 2 amp (or so) motorcycle battery charger to complete the job safely.
Okay - now, we have everything we need to do the job completely. Find the TSSM under the seat of your bike, remove the clip, and lift it out. There will be TWO connectors plugged in to it; remove both. Note that one of the plugs is larger than the other - this is the input, ECM, and turn signal connector - we will use this again. The smaller plug is the output for pager and siren - tape that one up to protect it and set it aside for now. Plug the larger plug into your new TSM, and slide the assembly back into place, carefully storing the loose connector where it won't rattle or take too much wear.
Whoa. That's it?
Nope. If you try to start your bike at this point, it will rumble and die, and you'll be cursing me for life. The bike knows that the security system has been compromised, and is trying to protect you, the owner. Getting it to feel all warm and fuzzy about its new body parts takes another half an hour - which kind of discourages the swap-out-and-quick-getaway-routine by a more unscrupulous rider who just happens to be enamored with your new paint job.
In the next step, we're going to have the bike's ignition (and lighting) on for more than half an hour, so here's the part where we plug in a 2 amp battery charger to keep things live. With the battery charger hooked up, perform the following:
1. Be sure the ignition has been OFF for 15 seconds or more before starting the procedure.
2. Set Run/Off switch to RUN.
3. Turn ignition key on, do not start. Verify that the Check Engine Light and Security Light come on, and wait for them to go out.
4. Attempt a normal start with the Start button. Engine should come to life and then die. The Check Engine Light should light up and stay on.
5. Wait ten seconds. The Security Light now comes on. The ECM has now entered communication mode with the TSM for the next ten minutes. Look at your watch and do something else for the next ten minutes, but don't shut off the bike, let the battery die, flip any switches, or unplug anything electrical. Just polish the fenders or something.
6. In ten minutes, the security light will turn off. Within 15 seconds, turn the ignition key Off and back On. This Off-On motion should be crisp, completed in two seconds or less. The Security Light comes back on, and you have another ten minute wait.
7. When the Security light goes out again, repeat step six.
8. When the Security Light goes out this time, do the Off-On thing, then when the Security Light comes back on again, shut the ignition OFF. Wait at least 15 seconds, during which time you should be (carefully) unplugging your battery charger (unplug from the wall outlet, then from the bike, right...?).
9. With 15 seconds or more gone by, turn your ignition on, confirm the Run button, confirm neutral, and start your bike. You've created a happy marriage between your ECM and the new TSM, and you no longer have to worry about having a key fob or memorizing a security code. Now you can just worry about someone riding off with your bike whilst you're suckin down a brew in the local pub - use the fork lock!
If you're like me, you'll never remember all this two years from now when you're selling your bike, so print this out, take the battery out of your key fob, and put the fob, TSSM, and this paper in a ziplock bag and store it wherever you would go to look for it two years from now. Happy riding!
I've got an '09 Super Glide FXD and the TSSM was starting to really screw up on me. Every time I'd get on the bike to do *anything* (like simply lift it up off the kickstant or anything more!), the lights would do the blinking "I'm getting stolen!" crap!...and this is when I had the fob in my left back pocket!!
Today (09 JULY 2016) I followed these directions (I used my cellphone with it's stopwatch app) and followed these directions and VOILA!! I can now start my bike without having to fret over having my fob sitting on top of the fuse box!!
I was so damned tickled I came in and kissed all the women in the house....including the married ones!
No more do I have to make everyone wait and hope that my fob will shut the blinking lights saying my bike's getting stolen, shut the hell off so I can start the bike to go anywhere!
WOOHOO! (and yeah, I'm lit and enjoying life *because* I don't have this worry hanging over my head anymore!!
Thank you with bells and whistles to the guy that wrote this thing up!! If you get this way (middle TN), you've got a guaranteed place to crash and beer as you want!!
Last edited by tar_snake; 07-09-2016 at 07:34 PM. Reason: I'm lit and screwing crap up but I think I'm getting the point across
