View Poll Results: What Octane/Grade fuel do you fill up with?
Cheapest possible
12
7.32%
Mid-grade
9
5.49%
High octane/ premium
143
87.20%
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What octane gas do you use?
#123
Just picked up a '97 1200cc.
Manual says "Use a good quality unleaded gasoline. For a carburetor equipped vehicle use at least 87 octane gasoline. For sequential port injected vehicles use at least 91 octane gasoline. Octane rating is usually found on the pump"
So I should just be using 87, no benefit to 89 or 91?
Manual says "Use a good quality unleaded gasoline. For a carburetor equipped vehicle use at least 87 octane gasoline. For sequential port injected vehicles use at least 91 octane gasoline. Octane rating is usually found on the pump"
So I should just be using 87, no benefit to 89 or 91?
#124
I'm pretty certain you have a carb on that. We have a stock '96 1200C that we put 87 in. Seems weird to me, however my understanding (but I am not the expert) is that running higher octane in those runs 'em hot (language I often hear is "burns 'em up, and doesn't net you anything" -so don't do it).
I have also been advised to avoid plant-based gas (ethanol), because of the inefficient way it burns -but there may be more to it than that.
Just my 2-sense. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
edit: I came late to the party, so perhaps this has been discussed further back in the thread?
edit2: after some rabbit holing a bit... I think the idea that higher octane is going to "run'em hot" is misguided. I will post something up ahead.
I have also been advised to avoid plant-based gas (ethanol), because of the inefficient way it burns -but there may be more to it than that.
Just my 2-sense. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
edit: I came late to the party, so perhaps this has been discussed further back in the thread?
edit2: after some rabbit holing a bit... I think the idea that higher octane is going to "run'em hot" is misguided. I will post something up ahead.
Last edited by twohawks; 09-14-2016 at 06:56 PM. Reason: changing my opinion
#126
I have been using 91 octane 100% gasoline (non ethanol) since I bought the bike, except twice I needed gas and bought 91 octane WITH ethanol.
The engine seemed to run about the same and no complaints.
I found out now that one station I go to also has 100% 87 octane (20 cents less per gallon) . . . no ethanol. Even though MoCo says run 91, I am tempted to try is since it costs less.
My neighbor has been running 87 with ethanol in his 2006 Sportster for 3 years now and says it runs fine on it. So. . . now what to do?
The engine seemed to run about the same and no complaints.
I found out now that one station I go to also has 100% 87 octane (20 cents less per gallon) . . . no ethanol. Even though MoCo says run 91, I am tempted to try is since it costs less.
My neighbor has been running 87 with ethanol in his 2006 Sportster for 3 years now and says it runs fine on it. So. . . now what to do?
#127
#128
Just for the record (and like I said, it may have been posted already) -but for the fella askin' about his '97 sportster...
I mis-spoke earlier... What I had been told was cautionary regarding carbon build up, not running hotter (which typically comes with running leaner, not fatter [du-oh]).
Amoung lots of of other fodder I stumbled upon, I found the following 2 discussions very interesting, so I am sharing them here:
(Delboy's garage is a celebrated street-authoritative resource.)
http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/s....php?t=1509599
(This is a very interesting discussion, even for the carb-sporties crowd.)
I'm inclined to run lower (87-89) octane, as specified in the manual, for my stock sportsters (a 95 and a 96) until/unless I observe pinging, detonation, or it 'feels' like it needs more (hot summer riding).
However, after listening to what Delboy had to say, I would be inclined to run a tad higher without worrying about it (carbon buildup concerns), and see if there's any benefit. (I think checking your plugs will help you out determining if your running too rich.)
It seems its generally recommended to consider adjusting higher oct as you upgrade your bike.
For the record:
...my '86-'03 manual states: "...recommended pump octane number is 89 or higher for 1986-1990 models and 87 or higher for 1991-2003 models..."
"...DO NOT use gasoline containing methanol (methyl or wood alcohol).
...DO NOT use gasoline containing more than 10% of ethanol (ethyl or grain alcohol).Too low octane will result in ping or knock."
Cheers,
HTH
I mis-spoke earlier... What I had been told was cautionary regarding carbon build up, not running hotter (which typically comes with running leaner, not fatter [du-oh]).
Amoung lots of of other fodder I stumbled upon, I found the following 2 discussions very interesting, so I am sharing them here:
http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/s....php?t=1509599
(This is a very interesting discussion, even for the carb-sporties crowd.)
I'm inclined to run lower (87-89) octane, as specified in the manual, for my stock sportsters (a 95 and a 96) until/unless I observe pinging, detonation, or it 'feels' like it needs more (hot summer riding).
However, after listening to what Delboy had to say, I would be inclined to run a tad higher without worrying about it (carbon buildup concerns), and see if there's any benefit. (I think checking your plugs will help you out determining if your running too rich.)
It seems its generally recommended to consider adjusting higher oct as you upgrade your bike.
For the record:
...my '86-'03 manual states: "...recommended pump octane number is 89 or higher for 1986-1990 models and 87 or higher for 1991-2003 models..."
"...DO NOT use gasoline containing methanol (methyl or wood alcohol).
...DO NOT use gasoline containing more than 10% of ethanol (ethyl or grain alcohol).Too low octane will result in ping or knock."
Cheers,
HTH
#130
Just for the record (and like I said, it may have been posted already) -but for the fella askin' about his '97 sportster...
I mis-spoke earlier... What I had been told was cautionary regarding carbon build up, not running hotter (which typically comes with running leaner, not fatter [du-oh]).
Amoung lots of of other fodder I stumbled upon, I found the following 2 discussions very interesting, so I am sharing them here:
Delboy's Garage, Harley Davidson, What Fuel and What Oil and Why. - YouTube
(Delboy's garage is a celebrated street-authoritative resource.)
http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/s....php?t=1509599
(This is a very interesting discussion, even for the carb-sporties crowd.)
I'm inclined to run lower (87-89) octane, as specified in the manual, for my stock sportsters (a 95 and a 96) until/unless I observe pinging, detonation, or it 'feels' like it needs more (hot summer riding).
However, after listening to what Delboy had to say, I would be inclined to run a tad higher without worrying about it (carbon buildup concerns), and see if there's any benefit. (I think checking your plugs will help you out determining if your running too rich.)
It seems its generally recommended to consider adjusting higher oct as you upgrade your bike.
For the record:
...my '86-'03 manual states: "...recommended pump octane number is 89 or higher for 1986-1990 models and 87 or higher for 1991-2003 models..."
"...DO NOT use gasoline containing methanol (methyl or wood alcohol).
...DO NOT use gasoline containing more than 10% of ethanol (ethyl or grain alcohol).Too low octane will result in ping or knock."
Cheers,
HTH
I mis-spoke earlier... What I had been told was cautionary regarding carbon build up, not running hotter (which typically comes with running leaner, not fatter [du-oh]).
Amoung lots of of other fodder I stumbled upon, I found the following 2 discussions very interesting, so I am sharing them here:
Delboy's Garage, Harley Davidson, What Fuel and What Oil and Why. - YouTube
(Delboy's garage is a celebrated street-authoritative resource.)
http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/s....php?t=1509599
(This is a very interesting discussion, even for the carb-sporties crowd.)
I'm inclined to run lower (87-89) octane, as specified in the manual, for my stock sportsters (a 95 and a 96) until/unless I observe pinging, detonation, or it 'feels' like it needs more (hot summer riding).
However, after listening to what Delboy had to say, I would be inclined to run a tad higher without worrying about it (carbon buildup concerns), and see if there's any benefit. (I think checking your plugs will help you out determining if your running too rich.)
It seems its generally recommended to consider adjusting higher oct as you upgrade your bike.
For the record:
...my '86-'03 manual states: "...recommended pump octane number is 89 or higher for 1986-1990 models and 87 or higher for 1991-2003 models..."
"...DO NOT use gasoline containing methanol (methyl or wood alcohol).
...DO NOT use gasoline containing more than 10% of ethanol (ethyl or grain alcohol).Too low octane will result in ping or knock."
Cheers,
HTH
I am not so sure this is correct for the closed loop EFI systems. It is my understanding that the afr stochiometric point decreases with increasing octane. If the stocih point decreases (to say 14.2) and you ECM is still calibrated to afr=14.6 in closed loop then I think that the bike will run leaner on the higher octane gas, meaning it will run hotter. In order to get the benefit of the higher octane fuel, we would have to be able to edit the stochiometric point set in the ECM to the new value, 14.2.
OTOH, I ran across this post. The fellow says that when he used high octane fuel with his stock heads(not on a harley) the bike ran richer. The reason given was that the higher octane fuel burns slower so all the fuel may not burn during combustion phase, leaving free fuel in the exhaust. If that is true then our closed loop efi will detect a rich condition and try to reduce the amount of fuel.
Frankly, I really do not know what would happen if we used an octane booster in our closed loop efi bikes.
http://motoredbikes.com/threads/does...erature.24589/
Last edited by MikerR1; 11-04-2016 at 10:00 AM.