What options exist to upgrade the front brakes on an Iron 883?
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HD XR 1200 Left Front Brake Caliper (improve braking and looks) Part No. 42943-08. Cost is around 135.00 from New Castle HD.
I recently did this to my 48. A complete bolt on mod. Works great! And looks like it is the same Brembo caliper shown above but with the HD branding.
You might want to look, as mentioned above, to also add the floating rotor (for example: Vivid Black Floating Brake Rotors-44358-00A)
Looks like you guys just highlighted something that I need to add to my mods list... ordering the floating rotor for mine... this never stops!
I recently did this to my 48. A complete bolt on mod. Works great! And looks like it is the same Brembo caliper shown above but with the HD branding.
You might want to look, as mentioned above, to also add the floating rotor (for example: Vivid Black Floating Brake Rotors-44358-00A)
Looks like you guys just highlighted something that I need to add to my mods list... ordering the floating rotor for mine... this never stops!
Thanks!
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#23
Rubber brake lines will bulge very slightly with pressure, resulting in a slightly "softer" feel at the brake lever.
Braided stainless lines don't bulge, giving a slightly firmer lever feel that many prefer. Actual brake system performance, however, doesn't change in instrumented tests.
In racing use, braided stainless lines are preferable to standard rubber lines because you're using full braking very often and with frequent and repeated full-pressure stops, rubber lines are more susceptible to weakening and bulging a lot more than rubber would in street use.
On the street, there's little benefit from stainless lines. They do look better, and many people like the lever/pedal feel better, but in terms of actual measured stopping distances there's really no difference. I've heard some people argue that braided lines provide better puncture resistance (from road debris) as well. This is technically true, but I can't recall the last time I ever heard of anyone having road debris puncture a brake line. If you're off-roading a lot, I can see that as a benefit, but for road use I don't think it really makes a difference.
Basically, for street bikes, all you get are looks and a slightly firmer brake lever. There's no increase in actual stopping power.
Braided stainless lines don't bulge, giving a slightly firmer lever feel that many prefer. Actual brake system performance, however, doesn't change in instrumented tests.
In racing use, braided stainless lines are preferable to standard rubber lines because you're using full braking very often and with frequent and repeated full-pressure stops, rubber lines are more susceptible to weakening and bulging a lot more than rubber would in street use.
On the street, there's little benefit from stainless lines. They do look better, and many people like the lever/pedal feel better, but in terms of actual measured stopping distances there's really no difference. I've heard some people argue that braided lines provide better puncture resistance (from road debris) as well. This is technically true, but I can't recall the last time I ever heard of anyone having road debris puncture a brake line. If you're off-roading a lot, I can see that as a benefit, but for road use I don't think it really makes a difference.
Basically, for street bikes, all you get are looks and a slightly firmer brake lever. There's no increase in actual stopping power.
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I'm sure someone has already said it- but it bears repeating
I searched quite a bit and didn't find much. One old thread about going dual disk that didn't produce much.
Are there bigger calipers available from anywhere?
I LOVE this bike but I've always felt that a single front disk with only a single piston caliper was anemic from a stopping point of view. Its honestly my only gripe and I'd love to figure out if there is an upgrade I can bolt on. I already am running a braided steel line and its has been bled correctly. That did make a big difference, but I still want more. (I come from a track/sport background and I'm used to bikes with one finger stopping ability).
If anyone has info on what might be possible, I'd be very grateful.
Meanwhile, I will keep googling to see if there might be an aftermarket bolt on caliper that performs better.
Are there bigger calipers available from anywhere?
I LOVE this bike but I've always felt that a single front disk with only a single piston caliper was anemic from a stopping point of view. Its honestly my only gripe and I'd love to figure out if there is an upgrade I can bolt on. I already am running a braided steel line and its has been bled correctly. That did make a big difference, but I still want more. (I come from a track/sport background and I'm used to bikes with one finger stopping ability).
If anyone has info on what might be possible, I'd be very grateful.
Meanwhile, I will keep googling to see if there might be an aftermarket bolt on caliper that performs better.
Before you spend a whole lot of money, try swapping the pads for some performance brake pads. I know it doesen't sound like much, but it makes a big difference in the way the bike stops, and the braking feel, and If youre not happy with them, youre only out about 50-6- bucks.
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#25
I wonder if there is some tolerances in the castings of these calipers as it doesnt appear to affect everyone? ???
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#28
The same stopping power used with a 15" rotor compared to a stock 11" rotor would result in fewer revolutions of the wheel (shorter stopping distance) with a larger rotor.
Of course some efficiency is lost with the heat building quicker, but I'll overcome that with sintered pads that don't heat up as fast as the stock pads. Efficiency is also lost in flexure due to the caliper being farther from the center. Both efficiency losses do not come close to the gains from a 4" larger disc diameter.
#29
No, Ryan had it right, you cant overcome physics. As long as the rotor and pads are of the same make up and equal force is applied, stopping distance will not change just because you have a larger surface area. Dont think thats true? Put a brick on its end, pull it with a pull gauge, lets say it reads 1 pound as you pull it. Now lay the brick on its side, 4 times the surface area, pull again.......it will read one pound. Physics, ya cant get around it
Sportys actually have very good brakes from the factory, they can actually out brake many dual disk, larger rotor, brembo powered sport bikes. But only for a couple of stops because after that the sporty brakes will fade where as the sport bike will continue braking at maximum with no fade.
Every sporty ever made can lock up the front brake, having more braking power than that is pointless. It could probably have 5 or 6 maximum brakes like that before it fades enough to no longer be able to lock the front. THATS when your larger or dual rotor comes into play. They can maximum brake for much longer.
Now Im not saying locking the front is the way to provide maximum braking, just that it takes maximum braking to get there.
Sportys actually have very good brakes from the factory, they can actually out brake many dual disk, larger rotor, brembo powered sport bikes. But only for a couple of stops because after that the sporty brakes will fade where as the sport bike will continue braking at maximum with no fade.
Every sporty ever made can lock up the front brake, having more braking power than that is pointless. It could probably have 5 or 6 maximum brakes like that before it fades enough to no longer be able to lock the front. THATS when your larger or dual rotor comes into play. They can maximum brake for much longer.
Now Im not saying locking the front is the way to provide maximum braking, just that it takes maximum braking to get there.
#30
No, Ryan had it right, you cant overcome physics. As long as the rotor and pads are of the same make up and equal force is applied, stopping distance will not change just because you have a larger surface area. Dont think thats true? Put a brick on its end, pull it with a pull gauge, lets say it reads 1 pound as you pull it. Now lay the brick on its side, 4 times the surface area, pull again.......it will read one pound. Physics, ya cant get around it
Sportys actually have very good brakes from the factory, they can actually out brake many dual disk, larger rotor, brembo powered sport bikes. But only for a couple of stops because after that the sporty brakes will fade where as the sport bike will continue braking at maximum with no fade.
Every sporty ever made can lock up the front brake, having more braking power than that is pointless. It could probably have 5 or 6 maximum brakes like that before it fades enough to no longer be able to lock the front. THATS when your larger or dual rotor comes into play. They can maximum brake for much longer.
Now Im not saying locking the front is the way to provide maximum braking, just that it takes maximum braking to get there.
Sportys actually have very good brakes from the factory, they can actually out brake many dual disk, larger rotor, brembo powered sport bikes. But only for a couple of stops because after that the sporty brakes will fade where as the sport bike will continue braking at maximum with no fade.
Every sporty ever made can lock up the front brake, having more braking power than that is pointless. It could probably have 5 or 6 maximum brakes like that before it fades enough to no longer be able to lock the front. THATS when your larger or dual rotor comes into play. They can maximum brake for much longer.
Now Im not saying locking the front is the way to provide maximum braking, just that it takes maximum braking to get there.
I don't know about physics and what not. Well not much more than a laymen anyway all I know is that I have 2 Sportsters. A 2013 Café with Performance Machine 6 Piston Front brakes with a 13" rotor and 4 piston rear brakes with a 11.5 inch rotor. I also have a 2012 48 bobber with bone stock brakes. All I can say is that there is absolutely no comparison. The Café build will stop on a dime and give you change with very little effort. The bobber feels like I am in a loaded down SUV. Stock Sportster brakes are garbage