No Device: Vance & Hines FP3 or Dealership dyno tune
#11
03-15-2016, 11:57 PM
Fp3 is a good concept and really does work well inside its limits. I am not an expert on bike tuning but I have had plenty of cars dyno tuned to know that the factory narrow band sensors have a limited view/range on what they are capable of tuning. Any hard throttle will push the map into open loop which runs the computer on a predetermined tune which means your bike is running on a tune that is only as good as the guy wrote it without seeing your bike.
Guys spend $20 thousand dollars on these bikes and then skimp out on the few hundred dollars it takes to have them professionally tuned. Laughable.
The best money he will ever spend will be with a competent independent tuner.
Last edited by oleboy; 03-16-2016 at 12:27 AM.
#12
03-16-2016, 06:53 AM
There is a thread someone posted about using the FP3 and taking it to a tuner. The tuner was able to see all data from the tuner and had the owner of the bike make the changes to his FP3. When I say changes, it was very minor. The base tune the guy had to work with was exceptionally close to where it needed to be.
I have a 2014 Breakout. SE breather, V&H Short Shots, SE_204 cams with FP3 tuner. My bike has never seen the dyno. It has never been tuned by anyone else than the FP3. 10,300 miles and counting. 0 decel pop and pulls hard. If you're looking to do stage3 or less, I wouldn't leave the FP3 out for the same exact reasons the OP stated. I didn't want to bring my bike to get tuned every time I changed something and I wanted to see the data myself.
Hope this helps. Good day!
I have a 2014 Breakout. SE breather, V&H Short Shots, SE_204 cams with FP3 tuner. My bike has never seen the dyno. It has never been tuned by anyone else than the FP3. 10,300 miles and counting. 0 decel pop and pulls hard. If you're looking to do stage3 or less, I wouldn't leave the FP3 out for the same exact reasons the OP stated. I didn't want to bring my bike to get tuned every time I changed something and I wanted to see the data myself.
Hope this helps. Good day!
#14
03-20-2016, 02:41 AM
oleboy, I don't mean to start an argument with you, but when someone spends some twenty thousand dollars on a bike, I would think we should demand, or at least expect, that it would run like a fine tuned machine right out of the box without having to send it back for a dyno. I would not expect any less from a car I bought, so why would I expect any less from a new motorcycle? Or is it that our expectations have been lowered when it comes to a Harley-Davidson product? Twenty thousand may be peanuts when compared with the cost of a dyno, but why would I dyno a brand new bike, unless of course, I totally changed all the basic equipment it came with 
so that it no longer works or resembles what came out of the factory? No offense, just my two cents!!
so that it no longer works or resembles what came out of the factory? No offense, just my two cents!!
#15
03-31-2016, 08:57 PM
oleboy, I don't mean to start an argument with you, but when someone spends some twenty thousand dollars on a bike, I would think we should demand, or at least expect, that it would run like a fine tuned machine right out of the box without having to send it back for a dyno. I would not expect any less from a car I bought, so why would I expect any less from a new motorcycle? Or is it that our expectations have been lowered when it comes to a Harley-Davidson product? Twenty thousand may be peanuts when compared with the cost of a dyno, but why would I dyno a brand new bike, unless of course, I totally changed all the basic equipment it came with so that it no longer works or resembles what came out of the factory? No offense, just my two cents!!
so that it no longer works or resembles what came out of the factory? No offense, just my two cents!!
#16
04-02-2016, 05:01 PM
Former Sponsor
There is a thread someone posted about using the FP3 and taking it to a tuner. The tuner was able to see all data from the tuner and had the owner of the bike make the changes to his FP3. When I say changes, it was very minor. The base tune the guy had to work with was exceptionally close to where it needed to be.
#17
04-02-2016, 05:07 PM
Former Sponsor
oleboy, I don't mean to start an argument with you, but when someone spends some twenty thousand dollars on a bike, I would think we should demand, or at least expect, that it would run like a fine tuned machine right out of the box without having to send it back for a dyno. I would not expect any less from a car I bought, so why would I expect any less from a new motorcycle? Or is it that our expectations have been lowered when it comes to a Harley-Davidson product? Twenty thousand may be peanuts when compared with the cost of a dyno, but why would I dyno a brand new bike, unless of course, I totally changed all the basic equipment it came with so that it no longer works or resembles what came out of the factory? No offense, just my two cents!!
so that it no longer works or resembles what came out of the factory? No offense, just my two cents!!
#18
04-02-2016, 07:05 PM
Hey guys! I'm getting closer to picking up my new Wide Glide next month. (fingers crossed and praying) I have a few questions for you guys before I get it. I want to get rid of those weed eater exhaust ASAP, they just ain't right 
I think I want to go with the Vance and Hines Big Radius 2 into 2 and an undecided air cleaner, and I don't know if I want to go with the Vance and Hines FP3 with the autotune feature for $399 and have the ability to view and tweak everthing on my phone via bluetooth or have the dealership tune the bike on their dyno for $???? and not have the ability to view or tweak anything without going to the dealership. I know what the dealership wants me to do, but what do you guys think? I'm sure the FP3 will be more cost effective, but I am unsure what the dealership charges for their tuner plus the dyno tune. Also, is it common for the dealership to possibly throw in a few accessories for the bike for free when negotiating the deal? 
lol
I think I want to go with the Vance and Hines Big Radius 2 into 2 and an undecided air cleaner, and I don't know if I want to go with the Vance and Hines FP3 with the autotune feature for $399 and have the ability to view and tweak everthing on my phone via bluetooth or have the dealership tune the bike on their dyno for $???? and not have the ability to view or tweak anything without going to the dealership. I know what the dealership wants me to do, but what do you guys think? I'm sure the FP3 will be more cost effective, but I am unsure what the dealership charges for their tuner plus the dyno tune. Also, is it common for the dealership to possibly throw in a few accessories for the bike for free when negotiating the deal? lol
#19
04-02-2016, 08:32 PM
Food for thought, you mention you know what the dealership wants you to do. Now if you're talking a new bike with a warranty, what will your dealer do when they find you did a FP3 vs do what they recommended? Some dealers will have an ax to grind and call HD to report the person who put the unauthorized tuning device on their warrantied ride. HD will reward you by flagging your powertrain warranty.
#20
04-03-2016, 06:59 AM
If it alters the PN of the factory download, that is all the proof they need. You would have to name the flash from the FP to the same PN as the factory download.