I just used the quote because to me it was a good explanation, so I guess we both took away something different from it.

A power commander, power vision, Sert should all be used by (especially if that's what the person has). I won't begrudge someone because they'll tune with it. Take the OP for example. He mentioned a 250i I think, which are also used with power commanders (piggyback) as well and power vision (ecm flash) when tuning (tuning link). Are some better than others? Sure.. But it doesn't mean they are ****, or a tuner shouldn't utilize them. .

Also what would be wrong with using a wide band auto tune kit to ensure that that the map you're running (whether it's a dyno, canned map, or otherwise) stays consistent thought any changes in your environment?

 

Ok, thanks. Looking at the tune they provided the only thing that changed was the TBW VE tables. The AFR tables were unchanged from stock. If it was incorrect of me to change the AFR tables, then I will revert to stock and do the auto tunes. My problem is I don't know enough about the details.

So today I'll revert to the stock tune with your suggested AFR mods and run the autos when I can. We have rain here all week except for Tues, so I'll see if I can get it done then.

Thanks

 

Thanks Jack, I appreciate the info. Glad the bags are working out for you!

 

There's nothing wrong with tuning what the customer already has, I was referring to recommending a pc over quality flash tuners.
A 250i is the dyno model.

 

Gotcha. Totally agree with that.

 

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Dynojet got to the bottom of the licensing issue. It seems they had a server problem and the shop never did apply a new license to my PV, as Dynojet saw the license credit still applied to their account. The shop is refunding me the $199. So that's good. The shop also asked me to come back so the can re-tune once they fix the tach issue.

Still have a bad taste in my mouth from the whole experience, but I suppose everyone deserves a second chance. I'm still deciding.

In the mean time, I also let Dynojet know that the tune then sent me didn't work for me. They asked me to send them a copy of the stock tune which they modified and sent back. Basically they left the VE's stock and changed the AFR tables (sounds familiar?) and a few other things. Limits, throttle blade settings, etc.

So I'll auto tune that a few times until I get on a dyno somewhere.

 

Jamie at Fuelmoto took pity on me and sent me a tune from a FXDLS he tuned for a 2:1 pipe. Jamie said it would be close. I found it to be an excellent tune and ran it for a week after a couple auto tunes.

The original shop then asked me to bring it back for a re tune yesterday. Got it back and took it home. Tbh it felt a little better then when I brought it in. Which could have easily been optimism. When I asked them what they wanted on the PV, the factory tune, or the Fuelmoto tune I was currently running (they knew of Fuelmoto) they said it wouldn't matter since they would build a completely new tune.

Still, no printout lol. Said while they got a good tune (again) they couldn't get a printout for whatever reason. I was told they would give me a printout run once they were able.

So when I got home I loaded the tune that they loaded to my PV into winpv and had a look. With the exception of the VE tables, identical to the Fuelmoto tune that was on the ECM when I dropped it off.

So at the end of the day I got updated VE tables applied to Fuelmotos tune, and no printout.

I bet the dyno operator they have just doesn't know any better. Sad.

I won't be going back to this shop for dyno work again. It's a shame, because they have been good for everything else I've had done there. I guess some places are good wrenches, but don't have the finesse for the details of tuning.

I'll be finding a new shop for a new tune at some point.