O2 Sensor question
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O2 Sensor question
On my 2007 Ultra Classic (15K miles) I am getting a code that the rear sensor is reading high. Before I just replace the sensor what (and how to) tests should I perform on the sensor/circuit? I have a shop manual. Looking for someone here who has had this problem. I am sure of the code meaning. I just do not have the actual code value memorized as I am writing this.
I have a Fuelpak installed and adjusted for the monster ovals slip-ons and K&N filter. All codes are per spec. Do I really need this fuelpak device with so few mods? (separate question but may relate to the error code?)
This bike is faily new to me. I bought it last year with 5300 miles on it and put about 10K on it so far. I replaced the spark plugs earlier this year.
Thank you for your time.
I have a Fuelpak installed and adjusted for the monster ovals slip-ons and K&N filter. All codes are per spec. Do I really need this fuelpak device with so few mods? (separate question but may relate to the error code?)
This bike is faily new to me. I bought it last year with 5300 miles on it and put about 10K on it so far. I replaced the spark plugs earlier this year.
Thank you for your time.
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sensors can go bad- esp if subjected to silicone.
try swapping the sensors and see if the problem follows the sensor or stays at the rear cyl.
remove and re-seat the tuner connections ( or try running without to test).
the o2 sensor should normally output .45 volts DC with a stoich mixture.
less voltage means a lean mixture, high voltage means a rich mixture.
so if could be a fault in the tuner or settings--- maybe just too rich
plugs: did you use stock type or are they "magic plugs" that make promises in the pages of magazines? stock plugs and wires often work best with the HD ignition system.
a misfire could give a high o2 sensor reading.
what we need to determine is whether the o2 sensor is giving spurious readings- or if it is correctly indicating something wrong.
many of us use nightrider.com xieds- they are an inexpensive uncomplicated resistor pack which plugs inline with the o2 sensors- they lower the voltage from the o2 sensor to the ecm - so the ecm makes the mixture about 8% richer.
That's what i use on my 09 96" with hi flow intake and exhaust.
a possible bugaboo with add-on or piggyback tuners is the extra connections may cause problems- the voltages and amperes of the sensor signals are quite low and any resistance in the connections can confuse the ecm
mike
try swapping the sensors and see if the problem follows the sensor or stays at the rear cyl.
remove and re-seat the tuner connections ( or try running without to test).
the o2 sensor should normally output .45 volts DC with a stoich mixture.
less voltage means a lean mixture, high voltage means a rich mixture.
so if could be a fault in the tuner or settings--- maybe just too rich
plugs: did you use stock type or are they "magic plugs" that make promises in the pages of magazines? stock plugs and wires often work best with the HD ignition system.
a misfire could give a high o2 sensor reading.
what we need to determine is whether the o2 sensor is giving spurious readings- or if it is correctly indicating something wrong.
many of us use nightrider.com xieds- they are an inexpensive uncomplicated resistor pack which plugs inline with the o2 sensors- they lower the voltage from the o2 sensor to the ecm - so the ecm makes the mixture about 8% richer.
That's what i use on my 09 96" with hi flow intake and exhaust.
a possible bugaboo with add-on or piggyback tuners is the extra connections may cause problems- the voltages and amperes of the sensor signals are quite low and any resistance in the connections can confuse the ecm
mike
Last edited by mkguitar; 09-21-2014 at 02:51 PM.
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I took a ride after removing the fuelpak and the codes are back. Bike runs fine.
1. In swapping the sensors to see if the problem follows the sensor to the front cylinder, what is needed for seals, gaskets, etc.? Or, do they just unscrew and screw back in? Do I coat the threads with anything?
2. What if I do nothing and just let it run as-is? Will damage result? Besides a little pinging when accelerating hard from lower RPMs say around 2000 will there be anything getting damaged by just riding it.
Thank you
1. In swapping the sensors to see if the problem follows the sensor to the front cylinder, what is needed for seals, gaskets, etc.? Or, do they just unscrew and screw back in? Do I coat the threads with anything?
2. What if I do nothing and just let it run as-is? Will damage result? Besides a little pinging when accelerating hard from lower RPMs say around 2000 will there be anything getting damaged by just riding it.
Thank you
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pinging will kill a motor, don't let it happen
unfortunately you can't plug a snap on obd2 scan tool into a HD bike
easiest thing is to pull the tuner (you did) then see if it is still there.
you have the code with the stock ecm , so absent of a easier way to do this, swap the front and rear and see if the problem migrates after you clear the codes.
if migrated replace sensor, if not check connections (ecm harness, o2 harness, injectors) fr proper function/connectivity.
good luck
unfortunately you can't plug a snap on obd2 scan tool into a HD bike
easiest thing is to pull the tuner (you did) then see if it is still there.
you have the code with the stock ecm , so absent of a easier way to do this, swap the front and rear and see if the problem migrates after you clear the codes.
if migrated replace sensor, if not check connections (ecm harness, o2 harness, injectors) fr proper function/connectivity.
good luck
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pinging will kill a motor, don't let it happen
unfortunately you can't plug a snap on obd2 scan tool into a HD bike
easiest thing is to pull the tuner (you did) then see if it is still there.
you have the code with the stock ecm , so absent of a easier way to do this, swap the front and rear and see if the problem migrates after you clear the codes.
if migrated replace sensor, if not check connections (ecm harness, o2 harness, injectors) fr proper function/connectivity.
good luck
unfortunately you can't plug a snap on obd2 scan tool into a HD bike
easiest thing is to pull the tuner (you did) then see if it is still there.
you have the code with the stock ecm , so absent of a easier way to do this, swap the front and rear and see if the problem migrates after you clear the codes.
if migrated replace sensor, if not check connections (ecm harness, o2 harness, injectors) fr proper function/connectivity.
good luck
Don't the front and rear O2 sensers have different plugs on them?? for some reason I remember that they do so that the wires don't get reversed...I could be wrong here...
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My manual says to reinstall with a new seal washer. Are those special crush washers? Where would I get them? Are they a dealer-only part or pretty common? I assume that I can reuse them for the purpose of this experiment.
If I have to replace the sensor is there an aftermarket option or is that a dealer-only item because they are unique to HD?
I mentioned I replaced the spark plugs and someone asked about what I replaced them with. I went to NAPA and got the Champion equivalent. 2-bucks each. Work fine.
as always, thank you for your help.
If I have to replace the sensor is there an aftermarket option or is that a dealer-only item because they are unique to HD?
I mentioned I replaced the spark plugs and someone asked about what I replaced them with. I went to NAPA and got the Champion equivalent. 2-bucks each. Work fine.
as always, thank you for your help.
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