Baker announces new compensator kit
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Yub,had same thought & tried a new starter,still had same noise which is when i joined this onloine HDfroum and read that the slam/bangs sound you get when firing up the bike is sign of bad comp.
And i also read if you sometimes get kind of a lurchy tweaky feel as your engaging the clutch taking off in 1st gear thats also a sign of a bad comp which the bike started doing along with the loud clang/bang sound from primary case when firing up too.
Yub,had same thought & tried a new starter,still had same noise which is when i joined this onloine HDfroum and read that the slam/bangs sound you get when firing up the bike is sign of bad comp.
And i also read if you sometimes get kind of a lurchy tweaky feel as your engaging the clutch taking off in 1st gear thats also a sign of a bad comp which the bike started doing along with the loud clang/bang sound from primary case when firing up too.
That is to say, nearly all 07 through 10 bikes startup-bang, and the comp is not actually bad.... yet.
When you start to feel massive driveline slack, continuous rattling, and/or when shutting down you hear a shutdown-bang-clack, it's a sign your springs are done or the comp itself is worn out.
So...you might be fine for another 20K+ miles. However, Yes, it's a good idea to move to the newest design, but you may not actually need to now as yours sounds like any other bike of that year right from the showroom floor.
On a related note: The weak point of the 07-10 comp was really just the springs.
When HD went to the new comp design it added stronger, larger springs - which was good - but at the same time introduced complicated internal comp parts that failed early due to being oil starved.
Enter all the revisions to address that issue.
If you take a look at the baker design, it's nearly the same design of the 07-10 comp but now using the newer, larger, heavier, springs.
Good direction... going backwards to a comp design that has been used for years but now with better springs.
I'm sure there is more to the baker than that but basically it's an improved 07-10 styled comp.
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The start up bang is "normal" for the older 07-10 comps and is caused by the weak springs which are part of the rotor assembly - poor design.
That is to say, nearly all 07 through 10 bikes startup-bang, and the comp is not actually bad.... yet.
When you start to feel massive driveline slack, continuous rattling, and/or when shutting down you hear a shutdown-bang-clack, it's a sign your springs are done or the comp itself is worn out.
So...you might be fine for another 20K+ miles. However, Yes, it's a good idea to move to the newest design, but you may not actually need to now as yours sounds like any other bike of that year right from the showroom floor.
On a related note: The weak point of the 07-10 comp was really just the springs.
When HD went to the new comp design it added stronger, larger springs - which was good - but at the same time introduced complicated internal comp parts that failed early due to being oil starved.
Enter all the revisions to address that issue.
If you take a look at the baker design, it's nearly the same design of the 07-10 comp but now using the newer, larger, heavier, springs.
Good direction... going backwards to a comp design that has been used for years but now with better springs.
I'm sure there is more to the baker than that but basically it's an improved 07-10 styled comp.
That is to say, nearly all 07 through 10 bikes startup-bang, and the comp is not actually bad.... yet.
When you start to feel massive driveline slack, continuous rattling, and/or when shutting down you hear a shutdown-bang-clack, it's a sign your springs are done or the comp itself is worn out.
So...you might be fine for another 20K+ miles. However, Yes, it's a good idea to move to the newest design, but you may not actually need to now as yours sounds like any other bike of that year right from the showroom floor.
On a related note: The weak point of the 07-10 comp was really just the springs.
When HD went to the new comp design it added stronger, larger springs - which was good - but at the same time introduced complicated internal comp parts that failed early due to being oil starved.
Enter all the revisions to address that issue.
If you take a look at the baker design, it's nearly the same design of the 07-10 comp but now using the newer, larger, heavier, springs.
Good direction... going backwards to a comp design that has been used for years but now with better springs.
I'm sure there is more to the baker than that but basically it's an improved 07-10 styled comp.
Why didn't HD go to heavier springs on the early comps?
The early SE comp is prone to fretting on the inner bearing where the sprocket rides which is an oil problem. I suspect that some of the issue is also the load bearing surface on the spoke it too narrow.. While more oil helps the load bearing surface. Ir may not be the root cause.. HD saw to widen the cam some to increase the surface..
Has there been any failures with the newest SE comp? The needle thrust bearing reduces friction in the comp so I can see a start / stop rattle which may freak out some of the guys that had early comps die but it may not effect life.. For those that don't like the start / stop rattle, the Compensaver kit changes the needle bearing to a fiber thrust washer.
From what I see the Baker comp is really based on the 65 to 06 comp. It even looks like some of the parts were "borrowed" the spring pack, cam, shaft extension and base of the sprocket look almost the same.
Two concerns I have bout the Baker comp.. The construction looks as tho the cams may not get enough oil.. I could be wrong as there may be enough oil from the chain could wedge itself between the sprocket and alternator rotor to gush through those wholes and keep the cams wet.. I'm also concerned about the offset of sprocket to the bearing surface that it rides on.. All previous comps had the sprocket centered over the bearing it rode on.
In the mean time, I suspect that any solution will require time as with any mechanical device, it can fail or difference reasons.. Even the early comps have failed (65-06).. The more different designs out there on the road the better.. Need a good population to sample for an idea of which is going to survive.
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The 07-10 was a double ramp design with three valleys/peaks - like the baker. 06 and below had a double ramp with a single valley/peak.
Right? I think anyway looking at the parts of those deals.
Which is one reason it uses the 2011+ rotor. I dunno, I guess... maybe Mark will pipe in and set us(me) straight.
Kinda does look like the spring (which they don't picture from some reason) would be right behind the nut maybe.
That would be cool because we know that worked for years and years...
Last edited by lp; 01-25-2015 at 10:25 AM.
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But yeah... I've often thought about actually trying what you're suggesting. Something like use a 2011 rotor and spring set behind a 07 comp.
Prob wouldn't fit out of the box but slightly modified? Who knows.
Then I've actually thought about cutting the spring housing off a 07 rotor and using a 2011 spring set between that and the comp but I don't know if the 07 rotor is strong enough...
Would hate to see a rotor fold up and destroy everything in there while I'm being a cheap ***...
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Does the baker use external springs on the outside (nut side) like the 06? It almost looks to me like the springs would go behind the comp like 07+, up against the rotor.
Which is one reason it uses the 2011+ rotor. I dunno, I guess... maybe Mark will pipe in and set us(me) straight.
Kinda does look like the spring (which they don't picture from some reason) would be right behind the nut maybe.
That would be cool because we know that worked for years and years...
Which is one reason it uses the 2011+ rotor. I dunno, I guess... maybe Mark will pipe in and set us(me) straight.
Kinda does look like the spring (which they don't picture from some reason) would be right behind the nut maybe.
That would be cool because we know that worked for years and years...
I seem to remember, the up to 06 comps actually used 6 contact points instead of 3 that are on the 07-09 comp and the 3 to the spokes on the SE comp.. 6 would definitely reduce wear.. Need to verify this tho and I don't have an early comp sitting around to check out...
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