how much longer till harley motors get larger?
#21
03-25-2015, 10:48 AM
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#23
03-25-2015, 11:28 AM
#24
03-25-2015, 11:35 AM
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My opinion.... When the Ultra limited was introduced, with a 103ci, from an engine perspective, it was between the other touring bikes (96ci) and the CVO (110ci)
I'd like to see 3 tier offering again:
Cvo =120
Ultra limited and RG limited =110
SG special and RG special = 110
Ultra, SG, RG, RK = 103
Introduce a RK special with 110.
Specials and limited models have 110 - really make them special... A bigger screen does not make them special just different
Similar to autos. My car has 4 trim levels, and the higher the trim level, the bigger the standard motor is. With each level building on prior level.
I'd like to see 3 tier offering again:
Cvo =120
Ultra limited and RG limited =110
SG special and RG special = 110
Ultra, SG, RG, RK = 103
Introduce a RK special with 110.
Specials and limited models have 110 - really make them special... A bigger screen does not make them special just different
Similar to autos. My car has 4 trim levels, and the higher the trim level, the bigger the standard motor is. With each level building on prior level.
#25
03-25-2015, 11:45 AM
weight/range.....
Even with no gear, 2 up riding on a limited is averaging 1200+ pounds, lifting that off the stand kinda sux. With larger engines, come larger tanks unless you want a bike with a 100 mile range and from anyone I have known that had a sportster, they hated that. So if a larger engine is going to be made it should also come with increased efficiency and a weight reduction effort.
Maybe Harley should look into the Ford MoCo approach to building and get with Alcoa for new technology metals. They shaved 700 lbs off the new F150.
Maybe Harley should look into the Ford MoCo approach to building and get with Alcoa for new technology metals. They shaved 700 lbs off the new F150.
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03-25-2015, 12:22 PM
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03-25-2015, 12:39 PM
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Now that the Rushmore bikes are out and on the road now the 110 could become the new standard engine.
A 110 air cooled puts out a lot of heat as compared to the 103.
With not much $$ you can make the 103 with a better power range than the 110.
The biggest advantage to the 110 is the low end power for touring. No matter how much you load it it will pull it without a clinch.
Myself, I won't do much to a touring bike, engine wise, that's why I got a 110, CVO.
The 120r is a stout engine on a touring bike. They are real strong on top end. I have been against em with my 113 Dyna and I was impressed with them.
How far do we really need to go?
As far as the Indian 111 inch engine, they will need to improve on it's looks for me. It is flat out ugly.
A 110 air cooled puts out a lot of heat as compared to the 103.
With not much $$ you can make the 103 with a better power range than the 110.
The biggest advantage to the 110 is the low end power for touring. No matter how much you load it it will pull it without a clinch.
Myself, I won't do much to a touring bike, engine wise, that's why I got a 110, CVO.
The 120r is a stout engine on a touring bike. They are real strong on top end. I have been against em with my 113 Dyna and I was impressed with them.
How far do we really need to go?
As far as the Indian 111 inch engine, they will need to improve on it's looks for me. It is flat out ugly.
#28
03-25-2015, 01:03 PM
Now that the Rushmore bikes are out and on the road now the 110 could become the new standard engine.
A 110 air cooled puts out a lot of heat as compared to the 103.
With not much $$ you can make the 103 with a better power range than the 110.
The biggest advantage to the 110 is the low end power for touring. No matter how much you load it it will pull it without a clinch.
Myself, I won't do much to a touring bike, engine wise, that's why I got a 110, CVO.
The 120r is a stout engine on a touring bike. They are real strong on top end. I have been against em with my 113 Dyna and I was impressed with them.
How far do we really need to go?
As far as the Indian 111 inch engine, they will need to improve on it's looks for me. It is flat out ugly.
A 110 air cooled puts out a lot of heat as compared to the 103.
With not much $$ you can make the 103 with a better power range than the 110.
The biggest advantage to the 110 is the low end power for touring. No matter how much you load it it will pull it without a clinch.
Myself, I won't do much to a touring bike, engine wise, that's why I got a 110, CVO.
The 120r is a stout engine on a touring bike. They are real strong on top end. I have been against em with my 113 Dyna and I was impressed with them.
How far do we really need to go?
As far as the Indian 111 inch engine, they will need to improve on it's looks for me. It is flat out ugly.
After riding a sport touring bike, I knew I would never be happy with a V-Twin touring bike. So I added a cheap Yamaha to my garage to satisfy that urge. Now I can own any Harley and be happy.
But after riding the Indian, I realized what I wanted from my Harley that my TC96 isn't giving me is better the low end torque. More low end torque means less shifting in traffic. Sounds like the 110 accomplishes that.
Beary
#29
03-25-2015, 01:17 PM
Road Captain
Good post.
After riding a sport touring bike, I knew I would never be happy with a V-Twin touring bike. So I added a cheap Yamaha to my garage to satisfy that urge. Now I can own any Harley and be happy.
But after riding the Indian, I realized what I wanted from my Harley that my TC96 isn't giving me is better the low end torque. More low end torque means less shifting in traffic. Sounds like the 110 accomplishes that.
Beary
After riding a sport touring bike, I knew I would never be happy with a V-Twin touring bike. So I added a cheap Yamaha to my garage to satisfy that urge. Now I can own any Harley and be happy.
But after riding the Indian, I realized what I wanted from my Harley that my TC96 isn't giving me is better the low end torque. More low end torque means less shifting in traffic. Sounds like the 110 accomplishes that.
Beary
#30
03-25-2015, 01:18 PM
Road Captain