The latest generation from Harley are not as good as the previous version from what ive seen. They either are not hardening them correctly or there is not enough spring pressure. Some people are shimming them with an extra .030 -.060 preload with ok results. I am going to eliminate mine all together.
I just put the 2014 SE A version in my 09 Heritage. I had already upgraded to the 2012/13 but I was hearing a lot of knocks & bangs so I decided to put in the 2014 a few weeks ago. Well I've only put about 600 miles on it & although it quieter, shifts fine & neutral is a breeze, if I bump the throttle at idle or between shifts I feel a vibration coming from the primary on every third or fourth twist of the throttle. In others words if I quickly blip the throttle it sounds fine & solid, blip again once or twice & there's a loose vibration & noise from the front end of the outer primary cover. I can feel it in my floorboards too. Any ideas.
No solution sept making something simple more complicated.
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" No solution "
NOT ANYMORE!/LOL!!
FYI,1st i want to say i have no stake or stock in this CO or know anyone affiliated with it either.
Ok,with all the trouble many of us (including me!) are having with the compensator on our bikes i was very excited when i came by this new product designed to address HD's compensator issue and wanted to post this so everyone here in the HD forum has a chance to see it and make thier own decision on if they think its a viable product or not and or to buy/install it or not .
I know it's has been mentioned here & there in posts in this forum but it gets lost in those posts as its not the main subject.
But since it looked like such a good product to address the comp oiling issues on the HD i could not resist posting it here to ensure everyone see's because it looks as though it could greatly reduce failure rate while also greatly increasing reliability / srvc life of HD's heavier duty SE comp .
It looks to be one of the best if not the best aftermarket upgrade i have seen that " directly addresses the lack of oil issue " that the comp see's on the HD.
I would not be surprised if you never have an issue with a comp again on a stock to even fairly hot/modded HD running HD's latest design SE comp with the additional oiling this product provides.
It's designed to work with the current replacement SE comp on the market today.
I ordered it the other day to install with the current Se Comp on my 09 FLHTCU.
Here are the links to it with a little info on the compensaver and a few 1st hand use testimonials from guys that installed it too.
The CompenSaver is an oil delivery system to prevent premature failure of the Harley Davidson compensator #42200064A on the Twin Cam engines produced starting in 2014. The compensator is retro fit-able from 2007 through 2013 model years. Cast in high quality steel.
What it does
The CompenSaver redistributes lubrication to the working surfaces of the compensator that has been thrown out due to centrifugal forces. It supports and enhances the capillary action created by the Harley compensator by providing a generous oil supply to the interior of the assembly that otherwise is receiving an inadequate supply of oil to properly protect the spokes, cam and cam splines plus increases the oil supply to the oil intake at the end of the retainer providing a consistant oil flow to the sprocket bore and thrust areas.
What it prevents
Excessive wear of the contact surfaces
Fretting
The composite thrust washer reduces noise produced by the metal on metal roll thrust bearing
greatly reduces damaging metal debris in primary assembly
Some feedback on it with some guys that had mult comp failures in short timeframe/not many miles:
Posted on HDTALKING March , 2014
The idea of the "Compensaver" and the way it is made to oil the needed parts that usually run DRY/and Rust, is a BIG Improvement over the old "A" SE compensator replacement that I put into my 09 King. I grooved my compensator face to get some oil into it BUT The COMPENSAVER would have really helped on mine, even when I'm using the "A" SE replacement compensator.
NOW combining the Newer Comp. with the lube holes and the CompenSaver is the Cats Meow...
It IS just like Hoople said to me before he left this forum ......" The compensaver is A Quality Built/Best Idea item he ran across that will do the Oiling Job and Prevent/STOP Fretting..."
NO Guilt in Giving Credit where Credit is Due.... Products that help us out like the COMPENSAVER does, should be Broadcast here for all to see....
I have been running the CompenSaver in the primary of my 08 FLHX with a 148 hp 124" engine for the past year and I run ATF fluid in my primary.
I went thru two SE comps before purchasing the CompenSaver. My hope was to add it to my primary to try to cure my SE comp woes.
With the purchase of my 3rd SE comp along with the added CompenSaver...my primary has operated flawlessly and has not made a peep ever since I installed it.
I had my primary apart again this past winter to do a final drive chain conversion from the belt drive. I was absolutely amazed at the condition of my comp once I had my primary opened up. It had no galling or fretting anywhere and looked as good as new with a little over 5000 miles put on it.
My first two SE comp's only had 1500 miles on each of them before they started making a terrible racket...and once I pulled them apart...both comp's were basically dry with galling and fretting. They both were terrible condition because they were not getting any oil to the inside them.
Now with the CompenSaver added to my primary...my comp is enjoying a bath on the inside everytime I start it up.
I couldn't be happier with the results!
Ray
aka No Cents
Setting up my ’08 FLHX with a 117 motor, and a performance clutch system that requires ATF. I was very concerned that my new SE compensator wouldn’t live long. Seems that no matter what lube is used, the SE compensators don’t have a very long life. After seeking options to prolong the compensator’s life, I decided that the GMR Compensaver would be my only option, and best chance of getting life out of the SE compensator. After 7,500+ miles running ATF in my primary, the compensator looks great, and performs as it should. There’s no other option out there for getting lubrication into the compensator that they desperately need.
Brian W.
I like others have had plenty of problems and complaints from customers about the new style comps. Noisy, galling, worn out before they ever get off the dyno. The compensaver address these issues and after checking my own after 8000 miles of run time on it. My comp still looks like the day I put it in. Absolutely no noise and I haven't had a customer complaint about the ones I have installed. Great product.
I think letting the oil run for the amount of miles specified in the manual is a contributor. I subscribe to a different way of thinking and monitor wear carefully. To expound further would be turning this into an oil thread.
Oh go ahead, it's just a theory. Let's here it.
To the OP, I had two comps go out. One was on a SG that I rode fairly aggressively, but always single rider. The other was on an 09 Ultra that was not ridden agrssively, but mostly two up.
My method for avoiding driveline troubles, including the compensator, is to always perform cold starts with the bike in gear and the clutch pulled in. I don't claim to be an expert but the harsh bang when you first put the bike in gear can't be doing the bike any good. I recognize there is some additional wear and tear on the starter but I can accept the slight risk and I'm always aware that the bike is going to lurch a little when I press the starter button so I make sure I'm stable and ready for it.
I haven't had any problems with my compensator on my 2010 RKC so far but I realize I'm not performing a scientific test. At 23k I might not have enough miles to develop issues anyway. Feel free to disregard this - just giving my experience.
My method for avoiding driveline troubles, including the compensator, is to always perform cold starts with the bike in gear and the clutch pulled in. I don't claim to be an expert but the harsh bang when you first put the bike in gear can't be doing the bike any good. I recognize there is some additional wear and tear on the starter but I can accept the slight risk and I'm always aware that the bike is going to lurch a little when I press the starter button so I make sure I'm stable and ready for it.
I haven't had any problems with my compensator on my 2010 RKC so far but I realize I'm not performing a scientific test. At 23k I might not have enough miles to develop issues anyway. Feel free to disregard this - just giving my experience.
As I read this post I got to thinking ........... since my bike is in Florida where it is substantially warmer and thus not as subject to the 'sticking plates' issue I wonder if there is any correlation between the climate and the number of compensator failures .... hope some other Florida or warm climate riders can comment ........ cheers
Copy and Pasted from another thread last year. The Compensaver does a very good job of lubricating, However Fretting was evident. Have an oil change and inspection coming up soon, So we'll see what 3k more miles have done. I would order the Baker now If I could afford it after upgrading Audio. Plus I'll have to buy a damn Stator just to fix the stupid leakey rubber plug! I've injected RTV twice, Holds about 1K mi. Grrrrr....
Reviving this thread for an update. I recently had my primary open again to install the new Thrust Washer from GMR Performance.(That is now included with the Compensaver as a kit) Everything looked good,Plenty of lubrication from the Compensaver,Until I pulled the bolt out and looked inside the part that slides onto the splines on the shaft. I had began to wipe it with a rag,very well lubed,But then I saw the rag had red rust colored stains on it, Looked inside and this is what I saw.The dreaded red fretting! This is only 1500 miles on it and I had wiped it first. So I want to know WTF is HD making these things with? Can't they use an alloy that will not rust when coated with oil/lube???
Copy and Pasted from another thread last year. The Compensaver does a very good job of lubricating, However Fretting was evident. Have an oil change and inspection coming up soon, So we'll see what 3k more miles have done. I would order the Baker now If I could afford it after upgrading Audio. Plus I'll have to buy a damn Stator just to fix the stupid leakey rubber plug! I've injected RTV twice, Holds about 1K mi. Grrrrr....
Reviving this thread for an update. I recently had my primary open again to install the new Thrust Washer from GMR Performance.(That is now included with the Compensaver as a kit) Everything looked good,Plenty of lubrication from the Compensaver,Until I pulled the bolt out and looked inside the part that slides onto the splines on the shaft. I had began to wipe it with a rag,very well lubed,But then I saw the rag had red rust colored stains on it, Looked inside and this is what I saw.The dreaded red fretting! This is only 1500 miles on it and I had wiped it first. So I want to know WTF is HD making these things with? Can't they use an alloy that will not rust when coated with oil/lube???
I'm not sure it matters if there is red rust on the inside of those splines, since that part is solidly mounted and does not slide on the shaft. The oil grooves in it allows the oil to feed to the outside journal shown, to allow the sprocket to rotate back and forth. It appears no galling or fretting at that journal, which is where the problem with the previous compensator was. Is there any galling on those journals?
I'm still somewhat undecided as to whether or not take it all apart and inspect or just change oil and ride it another 3 or 4k. No noise or vibration so I may wait till I can do it all at once, Stator,Baker Comp, Attitude adjuster, and maybe a VPC. Now thats getting expensive!
06-25-2014, 10:02 PM
Trouble with that..
