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#331
10-19-2014, 12:02 PM
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#332
10-19-2014, 07:42 PM
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I guess if the Harley product was was good as what it THINKS it is, Harley's would have a five-year warranty too. It's bullshit if anyone believes that THAT will ever happen... I've had four Ultra's; two good ones, and two stinkers, including my '10. 50 / 50 odds aren't that great on $25k+ expenditures. The line 'He then went on to say that the Polaris motorcycles are so error free that they hardly ever have anybody with a warranty claim." sounds like Harley's version of 'it's normal... all Harley's do that...' and lots of people here won't call bullshit on that excuse.
#333
10-21-2014, 11:25 AM
Our courts were put in place for among things to give us a "Legal" voice. There is no shame in using the courts to protect an investment when the dealer is not reacting to issues in a reasonable amount of time. And as everyone here knows a new HD is an investment. Another sad fact is that HD can be very slow to react to issues and in the meantime some person is sitting around week after week month after month with no resolution and no bike to ride. The one thing that does not stop while your $30.000.00 bike is in the shop are the payments. Harley credit corp and every financial institution that extends you credit expects you to be financially responsible for your debt. Now that bieng said it is MHO that there isnt anything wrong with expecting HD to be responsible for there product. I personally would not question a persons "Biker" credentials if such a thing even exists becouse well to be honest thats a haters reaction and haters suck. Haters are an unhappy group of snivlers that see fit to spew garbage at those they envy. 
FIRST Mistake; new motorcycles are like new cars, they are not investments. They are a product you are purchasing. This is the general meaning of the word investment: the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value. SECOND Mistake; When you finance a vehicle, motorcycle or anything for that matter you are buying money, agreeing to pay back that money at the specified terms. The loan has nothing to do with the item purchased other than the title for security purposes. Warranties work the same for buyers that pay cash or finance. Harley Credit is not the same as Harley Davidson Motor Company. People should pay their payments regardless while seeking to have their warranty fulfilled.
Bottom line: anyone buying any vehicle is not making a investment. They are spending money to buy something they wish to own. It will depreciate.
Regarding this legal action; I see it as buyers remorse. Happens all the time with major purchases, especially those purchased on credit. The twin cooled Harleys have proven to be reliable and well engineered. They had issues when they first came out but that was addressed. I have no problem with legal action when warranted, this is just not one of those times.
#334
10-22-2014, 06:11 PM
Stellar HDF Member
... Regarding this legal action; I see it as buyers remorse. Happens all the time with major purchases, especially those purchased on credit. The twin cooled Harleys have proven to be reliable and well engineered. They had issues when they first came out but that was addressed. I have no problem with legal action when warranted, this is just not one of those times.
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#335
10-22-2014, 07:32 PM
FIRST Mistake; new motorcycles are like new cars, they are not investments. They are a product you are purchasing. This is the general meaning of the word investment: the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value. SECOND Mistake; When you finance a vehicle, motorcycle or anything for that matter you are buying money, agreeing to pay back that money at the specified terms. The loan has nothing to do with the item purchased other than the title for security purposes. Warranties work the same for buyers that pay cash or finance. Harley Credit is not the same as Harley Davidson Motor Company. People should pay their payments regardless while seeking to have their warranty fulfilled.
Bottom line: anyone buying any vehicle is not making a investment. They are spending money to buy something they wish to own. It will depreciate.
Regarding this legal action; I see it as buyers remorse. Happens all the time with major purchases, especially those purchased on credit. The twin cooled Harleys have proven to be reliable and well engineered. They had issues when they first came out but that was addressed. I have no problem with legal action when warranted, this is just not one of those times.
Bottom line: anyone buying any vehicle is not making a investment. They are spending money to buy something they wish to own. It will depreciate.
Regarding this legal action; I see it as buyers remorse. Happens all the time with major purchases, especially those purchased on credit. The twin cooled Harleys have proven to be reliable and well engineered. They had issues when they first came out but that was addressed. I have no problem with legal action when warranted, this is just not one of those times.
#336
10-23-2014, 08:36 AM
Grand HDF Member
The lawyer or firm that filed the class action lawsuit will make money, everybody else including the original plaintiff will lose or at best, break even. Only the lawyers win in this action. That is both sets of lawyers, the plaintiffs' and Harleys' own lawyers will make a bundle defending Harley. This is what they do and why they exist.
Even if every CVO steaming eagle with buyers remorse joined the lawsuit, the lawyers are the only winners.
Even if every CVO steaming eagle with buyers remorse joined the lawsuit, the lawyers are the only winners.
#337
10-23-2014, 08:47 AM
A lawyer dug into it, and found the national average fee for disposal was only like $1.50. He filed. Contacted by mail millions of "plaintiffs" and began proceedings.
It wound up being a $22 +/- million dollar settlement, of which the attorneys received 40%, or roughly $8-9 million dollars.
Each "plaintiff" got a check in the mail for 67 cents.
I was involved in a class action with a cable provider a few years ago. I didn't ask to be, but got a letter from an attorney.
I got my settlement in the mail to the tune of $1.50.
Lawyers LOVE class action suits....
Last edited by SafetyMan; 10-23-2014 at 08:49 AM.
#338
10-23-2014, 09:01 AM
Seasoned HDF Member
There was a class action suit filed against a nation wide tire distributor. They were charging like $2.50 per tire for tire disposal.
A lawyer dug into it, and found the national average fee for disposal was only like $1.50. He filed. Contacted by mail millions of "plaintiffs" and began proceedings.
It wound up being a $22 +/- million dollar settlement, of which the attorneys received 40%, or roughly $8-9 million dollars.
Each "plaintiff" got a check in the mail for 67 cents.
I was involved in a class action with a cable provider a few years ago. I didn't ask to be, but got a letter from an attorney.
I got my settlement in the mail to the tune of $1.50.
Lawyers LOVE class action suits....
#339
10-24-2014, 11:53 PM
Outstanding HDF Member
Of course the lawyers make money. If they didn't, class action suits wouldn't happen. And without such suits, companies would lose a lot of the incentive to improve products.
A lot of the products marketed today are better because of past class action lawsuits, and we all benefit from that.
A lot of the products marketed today are better because of past class action lawsuits, and we all benefit from that.
#340
10-25-2014, 12:21 AM
Ultimate HDF Member
Of course the lawyers make money. If they didn't, class action suits wouldn't happen. And without such suits, companies would lose a lot of the incentive to improve products.
A lot of the products marketed today are better because of past class action lawsuits, and we all benefit from that.
A lot of the products marketed today are better because of past class action lawsuits, and we all benefit from that.
Couldn't have said it better myself. But what do I know.
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