RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 5/31/2006 2:57:52 PM
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95Heritage
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I ordered the HD-0800 filter yesterday from K & N direct. I checked with a number of K & N retailers in my area, including the local HD dealership, and none of them listed the new replacement air filter. I'm sure that I probably paid more. Oh well...
You probably paid $50+ through K&N.
Fox performance is $33.12- pn HD-0800... http://fox-performance.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?
More info on the filter... HERE
I just went to Fox performance website and the filter is listed for $50.95
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/23/2006 3:04:38 PM
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Like scttrg8, I also ordered the K&N RK-3909 kit...from Summit Racing, for my '04 EGC...carburated. Based on what I have been reading.....most of the fuel injected types need dyno and maps for such a chg out. Thats not including exhaust which might be an add'l dyno...etc....enough of the FI models.....
Do I need to tune the carb for the K&N, ie...go up on slow jet....say 48? Believe 45 is standard for the FLHTC....one of the local dealers parts guy gave me advice on the 48....he installed the K&N and slip-ons...not sure what kind.....
Or can I just adjust the mixture scew to compensate for the add'l air flow the K&N will produce? Plan on staying with stock exhaust for the time being. But don't want to burn to lean with new filter. Like a few of you.....enjoy hearing the radio while cruising.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 10/23/2006 7:31:32 PM
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Chief101
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Put the K&N HD 800 in my 06' heritage classic efi.........was very excited to finally get one....have a K&N in everything else I own and love 'em. But.......my bike ran like crap after I installed it so I put the HD filter back in..........hated to.....but I couldnt figure any other option.....bike ran fine again when I changed them out. If there is anything someone can enlighten with about this, Id love to hear it as i am a hugh fan of K&N products, first time I have ever been let down with aything I bought from them.
By the way.....got the race download prior to the filter change.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 11/8/2006 2:16:41 PM
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I'm new on this site. There must be a whole bunch of data and opinions about this. Here is mine. Put the filter on. Add a PCIII. Put on whatever pipes you like the sound of. Download your new PCIII map as per the PCIII peoples recommendations. Your bike will run perfect. Did this to my 05' Ultra Classic and all went real good.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 11/8/2006 3:15:14 PM
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maddog53
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Go to any pep boys & get it for $40.00 
must be order, have it 3 to 5 days
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 11/10/2006 7:04:16 PM
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soup48
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Reply to Dyna2005. Just think of the mechanics that have to buy the tools to work on the new model cars and trucks, like I have to do. I think the auto industry has stock in the tool companies or own them.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/5/2006 9:53:05 PM
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norm9533
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K&N RK3909 kit 1 5/8' thick filter
K&N RK3910 kit 2 1/4' thick filter
stock filter covers can be used.
Which one should be used
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/9/2006 8:33:19 AM
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Taller= more air in and if fuel is enriched= more power I'd go for the taller one.
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K&N RK3909 kit 1 5/8' thick filter
K&N RK3910 kit 2 1/4' thick filter
stock filter covers can be used.
Which one should be used
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/9/2006 8:33:58 AM
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glide
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Which K&N element will I need if I replace the element in my Ness Big Sucker?
Thanks.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/9/2006 8:13:10 PM
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glide
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I guess I should have asked this as well. Is the K&N element significantly better than the Ness replacement element in terms of build quality, air flow, etc.? Do they both stick out from the bike the same distance? They're both basically the same price online.
They are about the same in flow as they are both the gauze type of filter media. I believe the ness is a filter made by a company by the name of airaid and is very similar to the K&N filter. They both will work the same for your application and both are oiled types cleaned and oiled the same, also the same size too.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/10/2006 10:43:11 AM
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soup48
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The Ness is the same. Hd and K&N have been in disagreement about something so you wont be able to get it from the dealer, unless you buy the Ness element (made by K&N probably).
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 4/22/2007 3:29:47 PM
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oha2kan
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I got a replacement from my harley dealer it was a Drag Specialty part.. Worked fine.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 6/6/2007 4:58:08 AM
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maconusmile
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Does anyone have any comparison data between this new K&N filter with SE backplate vs the Ness Big Sucker? I am running stock airbreather with dual header thundercones, pcIII, stock ecm on an 04 flhrsi. Not sure what to get now. Was going to go with the ness as of yesterday but have not ordered it yet.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 7/28/2007 1:50:54 PM
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crossy
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just fitted k/n rk3909 can anyone tell me whatyour supposed to do with what i think is the air flow wire .when not connected engine management light comes on.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/5/2007 8:44:17 PM
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snowmass
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Regarding installation of the K&N: I just installed my rk3909 and had the same question as crossy, and a couple more. That wire lead is supported by a clip on the back of the stock backplate, but there are no instructions about what to do with it when the stock backplate goes away. I just supported it with a cable tie back there. Hope that works.
I also reused the stock football cover, which K&N shows being replaced with the stock rubber gasket still attached. Problem is that stock gasket doesn't mate to anything any more, and will definitely just fall off unless it is glued on. That raw metal back edge does seem to need something.
The third issue I had is that the big center hex nut holding the cover on will have to indent the center of the cover over a half inch if fully tightened. Seems like just following the directions would crush in the center of the cover. I left it firmed up but not tightened down. Now I guess I'll go back and put a spacer in there behind the cover. Anybody else have this problem?
I'd appreciate advice from anybody smart. Or from any of the thousands of dumb people who are still smarter than me. :-)
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/5/2007 9:28:34 PM
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trusty1
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G'day Snowmass
I have just completed a K&N 3909, Python 2 into1 and thundermax autotune install and I had similar q's about the K&N, I just took the rubber gasket off. There are torque numbers in the service manual for all fastners, stick to them and you should be OK. It doesn't look like denting mine.
Here is a link about the actuator for the inlet solenoid. http://www.hdforums.com/m_1975535/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1995437 Big joe choppers in Australia is where I got mine, (via the net) all works fine, bar the 6th gear light, I'll be checking out the remedy for that soon, though not tonight - it's my birthday, and I think I might get drunk........
Good luck
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Regarding installation of the K&N: I just installed my rk3909 and had the same question as crossy, and a couple more. That wire lead is supported by a clip on the back of the stock backplate, but there are no instructions about what to do with it when the stock backplate goes away. I just supported it with a cable tie back there. Hope that works.
I also reused the stock football cover, which K&N shows being replaced with the stock rubber gasket still attached. Problem is that stock gasket doesn't mate to anything any more, and will definitely just fall off unless it is glued on. That raw metal back edge does seem to need something.
The third issue I had is that the big center hex nut holding the cover on will have to indent the center of the cover over a half inch if fully tightened. Seems like just following the directions would crush in the center of the cover. I left it firmed up but not tightened down. Now I guess I'll go back and put a spacer in there behind the cover. Anybody else have this problem?
I'd appreciate advice from anybody smart. Or from any of the thousands of dumb people who are still smarter than me. :-)
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/5/2007 9:41:12 PM
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I went through all this TWICE (K&N Vs SE) Here is the situation/outcome:
Situation: I have an 06 heritage Softail Classic...My brother has an 06 Fatboy. Let me say 2 things up front. 1.) I swear by K&N filters. They are American made (I'm a retired soldier), and work GREAT (I have them on all my vehicles). 2.) I HATE giving money to the "stealership" Harley is the only bike I'll ride (OK I have a polaris quad...but that ain't a bike). I feel like the "stealership's" ideal customer is somone who comes in with deep pockets & says, "How do I become a biker?"
Having said all that I put an SE stage1 filter on my bike...& went out and bought the K&N replacement element for it (the SE filter is a dry filter). I then installed a K&N filter kit on my brother's Fatboy. I was VERY disappointed to find the K&N kit was made very cheap. Where the SE kit had a cast aluminum back plate...the K&N had a very cheasy stamped backplate with these flimsy aluminum standoff pins that look like the threads will fall apart in the 1st time you remove the filter element to clean it. I do have to admit the SE kit sold by the "stealership" is much better made...but I also reccomend buying the K&N replacement (Oiled) element to put in it. I got mine (replacement K&N element for the SE stage 1 fikter kit) at a website called www.fuelmottousa
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/6/2007 12:09:56 PM
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labfreak
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I just put on my K&N filter with backplate, got the download, runs fine. BUT what is that little wire bundle that was attached to the back of the original backplate? it was stuck in by a ribbed plastic nipple and has a connector/wire. Anybody know what I mean?? I've asked on the Dyna forum and got nada..I just shoved it up by the new filter between it and the injector, any harm in that?
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/6/2007 12:35:02 PM
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snowmass
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Thanks much, T1. That is helpful. Seems like there must be a bunch of nice folks down under.
Clutchglass, I'm thinking that K&N must have improved their quality since you got yours. My K&N backplate is apparently cast aluminum, not stamped. And you're right about those flimsy aluminum standoff pins.
Tmitchellofpg, I'm sure glad you posted that pic of your gorgeous red fatboy. Makes me want to come back to this page. I think my cobalt blue softail custom is the best looking bike in town, so I'll need for you to stay away from here.
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/6/2007 8:37:44 PM
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snowmass
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Yeah labfreak I know what you mean. That's the wire I was talking about at the top of post #60 a little ways up this page. It seems to be a lead that is properly capped off, so I just tied mine up with a cable tie. Some instructions from K&N would have been nice.
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Think I finally know what''s wrong. Think I gotta leave this place behind.
People don''t run out of dreams, people just run out of time" -Frey
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/7/2007 3:09:59 PM
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snowmass thanks! I thought I was going nuts! I'd asked about this little wire harness on the Dyna forum and got zilch. Thanks for restoring my sanity...now what the hell is it for???
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 8/20/2007 5:30:16 PM
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trusty1
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. http://www.hdforums.com/m_1975535/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1995437
It is a solenoid actuator for international bikes that activates a flap that regulates air intake. it opens up above approx 1500revs to let more air in when needed. There is also one on the exhaust to run all exhaust through bottom pipe untill about the same rev range. These have to be removed when doing after market upgrades like A/c and pipes.
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snowmass thanks! I thought I was going nuts! I'd asked about this little wire harness on the Dyna forum and got zilch. Thanks for restoring my sanity...now what the hell is it for???
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