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Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 9/13/2005 10:20:42 AM   
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Latest update 9/27/05

Just got this from K&N support

The new K&N air filter for the Screamin’ Eagle assembly is now available, part# HD-0800. This air filter replaces the Screamin’ Eagle air filter part number 29442-99B (Blue one). The HD-0800 will also replace the 29442-99C.



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More information on the K&N filter here... http://www.hdforums.com/m_67662/tm.htm


K&N Customer Service 800-858-3333 or 951-826-4000. or see the above link for better pricing.


Also a reply from Zippers performance http://www.zippersperformance.com/

Our upgrade to the Screamin Eagle filter is # 162-295 and is $74.95.
This filter is taller than a stock and does require the use of a round EVO
style cover.

Here's a link to the taller filter... HERE
Stock filter on the left, taller K&N one on the right.


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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 10/6/2005 6:53:46 PM   
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Any update on whether the HD-0800 will also replace the 29442-99C. I was told that the B, C suffix means that the parts are backwardly compatable but would like to confirm that before jumping. Thanks, Steve

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 10/6/2005 7:15:15 PM   
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Nothing yet on that but I follow along the lines of what you said about retro fit also.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 10/10/2005 1:20:35 AM   
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Just visited the K&N web site and the 29442-99C Harley filter element is listed in their cross-reference quide. The replacement K&N is indeed the HD-0800 element. Steve

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 11/16/2005 11:36:46 PM   
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I got mine from

FOX Performance
21999 Van Buren St., Suite 6
Grand Terrace, CA 92313 US
909.824.8008

for $33.12 plus $5.00 for shipping.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 11/17/2005 8:45:01 PM   
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Holy Hannah! I put the new K&N filter on and here's what I found --

Whoever installed at the dealership must have used enough Loctite to choke a horse. Instead of removing the three screws that hold the filter on, the torque was sufficient to remove the three studs beneath the screws.

The three screws are star point torx heads. Why? Geez sakes, HD, stop using these damn things that require yet another tool to work on your bike. A nice allen head bolt would have worked just fine -- that's what's going in there this weekend.

Other than that, the filter is a good fit - excellent quality.




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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/6/2005 10:39:13 AM   
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any performance gains with this filter vs. SE version in stage 1 kit?

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/6/2005 2:32:43 PM   
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You can get this filter at Autozone $32.99 It's a special order part. (You may have to tell them that) but I ordered it before 4:00 P.M. and it was in the next day by noon.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/6/2005 3:04:58 PM   
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Thats funny I went to Autozone and the guy told me he couldn't help me. Can you give your part #?

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/8/2005 3:27:04 PM   
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Zippers also sells a washable direct replacement filter for the SE assembly for $35

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/11/2005 1:37:21 PM   
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I ordered the HD-0800 filter yesterday from K & N direct. I checked with a number of K & N retailers in my area, including the local HD dealership, and none of them listed the new replacement air filter. I'm sure that I probably paid more. Oh well...

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 12/30/2005 7:29:55 PM   
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Hi and thanks for the heads-up on the new filter. I just received it and went to install, thinking this would be a two minute job. First, a little background:
2005 FLSTNI with Stage 1 kit, SE 16 ga exhaust and thundermonster baffles. When I went to remove the T-27 screws that hold the filter against the backplate, they came off fine, but the filter came off with them. When I looked at the backside of the filter (Blue one everybody seems to dislike) there were some sort of individual bolt covers that the screws sat in with just the ends sticking out to screw into the backplate. I could not figure out how to get those screws out of there; they just spun in place when I tried to unscrew. Not wanting to risk ruining the screws, I just re-installed the air cleaner. This seems like it should be a very easy job. What am I missing? Any advice from you all would be welcome, as I hate to have the dealer do this one for me. Thanks. TedMan

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/1/2006 3:15:03 PM   
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Not too clear from your discription, but did you look behind the backing plate itself. If they are the bolts I think you are talking about , there 's 2 nuts behind there to put a wrench on, but that removes the backing plate. Not sure if that's what you're trying to do here.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/1/2006 3:15:58 PM   
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Looks like a go on the b and c suffix also.

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Any update on whether the HD-0800 will also replace the 29442-99C. I was told that the B, C suffix means that the parts are backwardly compatable but would like to confirm that before jumping. Thanks, Steve



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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/1/2006 3:17:40 PM   
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Same thing , no gain but it doesn't fall apart (the K&N)
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any performance gains with this filter vs. SE version in stage 1 kit?


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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/1/2006 3:20:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jezcruzen

I ordered the HD-0800 filter yesterday from K & N direct. I checked with a number of K & N retailers in my area, including the local HD dealership, and none of them listed the new replacement air filter. I'm sure that I probably paid more. Oh well...


You probably paid $50+ through K&N.

Fox performance is $33.12- pn HD-0800... http://fox-performance.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?


More info on the filter... HERE

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/1/2006 6:57:41 PM   
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Thanks for reply. Just re-read my original post and I definitely was not clear. Here's what happened: I took off the air cleaner cover, so now I'm looking at the air filter itself with the 3 t-27 bolts holding it in place. I loosened each bolt, but instead of the bolts coming out of the filter like I expected, the filter came off with them. When I looked at the back of the filter, I see there are some type of studs with what measures out as 1/2 inch nut (that is part of the stud itself and is against the back of the filter) that the t-27s are sitting in, with just their ends sticking out. The t-27s don't actually turn, they appear to be "locked" into these studs, so when I was unscrewing them, really I was just turning the entire screw/stud. I could barely get a wrench on the base of these studs that is against the back of the filter to hold them while I tried to unscrew the t-27s, but I couldn't or didn't want to really ream on it for fear of breaking something. Could the t-27's just be loctited into them so that I should just go ahead and give it a more forceful try? Hope this explanation is clearer. I appreciate any feedback or advice. Thanks again.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/1/2006 7:06:57 PM   
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Try a heat gun or the like and heat up the t 27's and get them hot. They most likely had someone apply some locktite to them in excess and it will take a bit of heat to soften them so they will release. Don't use an open flame, just thought I'd mention that too.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/2/2006 10:06:17 AM   
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Thanks, TC. I'll give it a try.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/14/2006 8:28:06 AM   
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K&N has a whole kit also for those who havent bought the SE stage I filter kit. it is RK-3909 (filter, spacers, breather bolts, backing plate, intake cone), and a trim ring for you to re-use the OE chrome oval cover. I also got it at AUTOZONE (had to explain to them that they could special order the parts even for a Harley) just under $105...2nd day shipping included. It makes a big difference over stock.


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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/19/2006 7:04:06 PM   
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I just got one from Fox and I think they are $35 now. Must have went up a bit.
The Blue factory filter had split on the inside.........I couldn't see any problems from the outside. Wow. Am I glad I decided to buy the K&N filter. Also, one of the three T27 headed screws that holds the filter to the standoff spacers jammed up and I wound up having to drill the head off and then using pliers to get the remaining screw portion out of the standoff.....nothing ever goes easy on these bikes...
Either way, 15 miles each way to HD for a $1.00 screw and I'm back in business. Rest of the install went well. As soon as my knee heals a bit, I'll go out and run it.



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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/19/2006 7:17:22 PM   
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There's been a lot of people having problems with those blue filters coming apart. Lucky you caught it before it got sucked in to the motor.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/19/2006 9:55:16 PM   
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What size star pattern torx head driver do we need? I forgot about these and am planning on doing the K&N filter swap this weekend. Thanks

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/19/2006 10:08:25 PM   
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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/19/2006 11:31:53 PM   
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TDDave, thanks. I just hope I don't run into the same issues as some of the other guys with the excessive use of Locktite by the dealer.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 1/20/2006 12:51:14 AM   
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Hopefully not, but if you do, just remove the filter along with the spacers and drill out the screw heads until you can "pop" the heads off. This will leave plenty of exposed thread on top of the spacer and will allow you to remove the screws with vice grips or channel locks.... Of course, another trip to HD will be necessary for new hardware but at least you won't have to buy new spacers as well. The one screw was so badly bound up on mine, even using heat wasn't enough to get it to budge.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 2/7/2006 1:20:29 PM   
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I have a couple of questions if some pone does not mind answering.

1. Is this K&N filter teh one needed for the stage 1 high flow upgrade when you go to the new V&N stage 1 pipes for the 06 EFI Dyna?

2. What is the advantage of getting the whole K&N kit as opposed to just getting the filter? Does the kit actually increase the air flow into the engine where the filter alone does not?

Thanks!

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 2/7/2006 1:29:03 PM   
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quote:

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I have a couple of questions if some pone does not mind answering.

1. Is this K&N filter teh one needed for the stage 1 high flow upgrade when you go to the new V&N stage 1 pipes for the 06 EFI Dyna?

2. What is the advantage of getting the whole K&N kit as opposed to just getting the filter? Does the kit actually increase the air flow into the engine where the filter alone does not?

Thanks!



1. yes HD - 0800

2. you need the SE kit to install this filter, the replacement K&N for the stock air box doesn't give you much improvement over stock because of it's low profile as compared to the HD 0800 filter used in the SE kit.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 2/7/2006 3:25:00 PM   
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1. yes HD - 0800

2. you need the SE kit to install this filter, the replacement K&N for the stock air box doesn't give you much improvement over stock because of it's low profile as compared to the HD 0800 filter used in the SE kit.
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Does the K&N kit accomplish the same as the SE kit?

Also, What would happen if you did the stage one high flow airfilter upgrade but not he pipes? Would this create a mix problem?

Thanks.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 2/15/2006 4:59:50 PM   
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Justa quick thought on the loctited screws - I have a hand held impact driver that works wonders. It's like a spring-loaded hex-shaped anvil with a 3/8" drive end. Put your socket/torx driver on it, seat it in the screw and a sharp rap with a hammer will usually bust things loose. You don't wanna hit it hard and screw something up, but striking it plants the driver into the screw head so THAT doesn't round off and applies a turning force.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 3/10/2006 8:25:03 PM   
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It's $50.95 now!

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 3/11/2006 7:05:03 AM   
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Will HD be releasing a SE Stage 1 kit that includes this new filter?

I need to get one soon, and I was wondering if I should go with an aftermarket one to get a K&N right from the beginning.

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 3/11/2006 8:24:08 AM   
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quote:

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Will HD be releasing a SE Stage 1 kit that includes this new filter?

I need to get one soon, and I was wondering if I should go with an aftermarket one to get a K&N right from the beginning.


Good question.... the were using them as part of the kit but decided to use a cheaper filter (blue banded one) that came apart causing injestion into the engine. I would think this would have caused them to switch back again, however they still market the kit with yet another filter in it rather than the K&N and K&N has since overcome the hold that HD had on them NOT to produce and sell the HD 0800 filter on their own. My guess would be that they are not going back to the K&N in their kit for profit reasons which doesn't figure to me if they are loosing sales over it. JMHO

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RE: Update on K&N replacement for the stage 1- 9/27/05 - 3/11/2006 8:28:21 AM   
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quote:

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Does the K&N kit accomplish the same as the SE kit?

Also, What would happen if you did the stage one high flow airfilter upgrade but not he pipes? Would this create a mix problem?

Thanks.




Don't know which K&N kit you refer to here but the K&N filter will flow more than a stock filter will.

If you did the intake without the exhaust, you wouldn't get the real benefit of doing the upgrade as the exhaust would then restrict flow through the engine. It also may cause an overly rich mixture as the stage one is accompanied with a reprogramming of the ecm (fuel enrichment) to achieve the maximum benefit which will usually net you 8-10 HP combined.


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