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110 problems? - 6/6/2007 3:41:27 AM
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ENZOTHEBAKER
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This is what a member of another CVO forum had posted.
Here is my situation. Took my 07 FLHTCUSE2 to the dealer a few days ago to get my 575 cams and new pushrods installed. They called me today and advised me that my bike needed an entire new motor due to a pinion gear (don't know what it is) being out of specs. They noticed the problem after removing the cam cover. Dealer said if the problem is not repaired I will have major issues in the future so I am without a bike for this weekend unless I pay them for a rental (that blows). They said the new motor should be in by Mon or Tues of next week and I should have the bike back towards the end of the week. My questions are:
1. Why didn't I notice anything wrong with the bike during the past 2200 miles ? It has been running and idling perfectly.
2. Could this pinion gear have been damaged by me in any way ? If so, how ?
3. Could the dealer have possibly damaged it and is not telling me the truth ?
This problem with the pinion gear is talked about in great detail on that forum and a few motors have been replaced. Any one around here know of this and if so what do we lucky 110 owners do. The forum is CVOHarley.com and all the talk is under Twin Cam.
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RE: 110 problems? - 6/6/2007 6:44:58 AM
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smittyvegas
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Well - my bike is in the shop for the 3rd time due to oil leaking. The 1st 2 times, they replaced gaskets. This time, they are replacing the cylinder heads. Your fortunate they are replacing the engine and that it is only taking a few days. I am feeling screwed by my dealership here in Henderson as they have had my bike this time since May 12th. The cylinders have been backordered and finally suppose to be shipped today but I am not holding my breath. I have also talked to Harley Customer Service about the POS that I bought from them and all I got was the standard garbage about - we have to take small steps to repair your bike. Why didn't I stop at the Honda shop before I bought this bike? As someone else pointed out to me... I love her.. but you have to be able to count on her.
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RE: 110 problems? - 6/13/2007 12:14:06 PM
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gurutech
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Enzo,
sorry to hear about your problem but unfortunately it is a problem in the field that HD has not mentioned. I am a service manager at a dealership and we were introduced to the pinion problem when a couple traveling from Texas bike lost all oil pressure. The runout on the pinion was so excessive that it finally broke the oil pump. When we called HD they asked for the runout and once it was given they said "yeah that's about what we've been seeing." Nice job HD. We did get a engine as all was better but I think the factory should be letting dealers know of a possible problem. Hope all goes well for you.
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RE: 110 problems? - 6/13/2007 12:21:05 PM
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Hog Yild
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gurutech,
Is this pinion problem just on the 110 motors?
Also what pressure should I see on a 96 at idle and at cruising at 2700rpm?
Thanks,
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RE: 110 problems? - 6/13/2007 3:03:57 PM
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07SG
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Enzo, it sucks that you are having the problem but it sounds to me that your dealer is stand up. Replacing the motor instead of just fixing it is a good thing, especially if its going to take only a few days!
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RE: 110 problems? - 7/24/2007 4:41:50 AM
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Deuce Bigelow
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Damm...........
so far I feel like I dodged a bullet............
the only leak I had was from the bolt between the cylinders, it was seeping just a little bit, I tightened that bolt and everything is looking good.....for now.
I thought the 110 engine was basically a bored and stroked version of the 88 and 96 engines?
and uses the same engine case. So why would there be so many oil leak problems on the 110 and not on the 88 or 96 engines?
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RE: 110 problems? - 7/24/2007 6:56:20 AM
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pittguy
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This is truely sad,its been a yr now and they still cant seem to get it right.With the 08s out now and the possibility of them being in same boat,how long do you expect to wait for a replacement motor?Chances are the new one will be the same,have the ability to self destruct the same as your last one unless you change your riding style and even that may not be enough.These bikes are big bucks,harleys top models and they are running them off.
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RE: 110 problems? - 7/24/2007 2:47:54 PM
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rbabos
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It would seem the design of the crank has reached it's limit, or should I say the way it's designed as far as fits, and metal choices. Done right, it should laugh at the light duty it has to do.
Ron
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RE: 110 problems? - 8/1/2007 6:29:42 PM
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bowkeith
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Well it is nice to know that I am not the only one that has had problems with their bike. Mine has been in the shop 4 times going on 5. The first time was for a leak in the rear cylinder. second time was for oil spraying out of the oil cooler and no oil pressure, third time was for no oil pressure, Fourth time was for excessive nocking and running on the front cylinder only. Now I am taking it back in for the original problem of leaking out of the rear cylinder again. Does anyone think that I might have a bad engine? Could it be a Pinion problem? I would think that it is time for a new motor. Any opinions???
Thanks for your input.
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RE: 110 problems? - 8/3/2007 1:46:27 PM
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rbabos
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Before installing a new o ring on the base for cylinder , find out what the fit is suppose to be. Sounds like the o ring is barely being compressed and in time may shrink from the heat and start leaking. First leak you can maybe blame on the assembly. The second time, you gotta start looking for the real cause. These factory o rings are probably cheap sschit anyway. The best you can use in there is( Viton ) grade. Just match the dimensions and you will never have one fail again, if the pocket machining is correct.
Ron
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RE: 110 problems? - 8/4/2007 12:16:07 PM
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bowkeith
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Just to let everyone know,If we get enough people to turn in a complaint on the 110 motors we might be able to get Harley-Davidson to do a recall on the motors. It sound like there are a lot of people that are having the same problems with the motors. Please go to recalls.gov and file a complaint. They will review the problem and if we can get out voice heard, Harley will have to fix the problem.
Thanks for your support in the matter. I hope that you will take action and let our message be heard.
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RE: 110 problems? - 8/4/2007 5:29:32 PM
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vettedog72
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Do M/C's fall under the lemon laws? Most states have lemon laws for cars; don't know about M/C's.
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/4/2007 12:01:27 PM
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wamp
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My 07 FXSTSSE was leaking a little and took it to the stealer and they replaced the rear cylinder. They sayed it was a bad tooling job and just replaced it. I would expect better QA from CVO but what's a guy suppose to do?
Good Luck
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/7/2007 7:40:59 AM
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GrandpaSpike
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Mine developed a leak in the rear rocker box at 12K miles. Easy fix. Replaced gasket. Had no idea until reading this thread the 110" had so many problems.
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/7/2007 5:40:40 PM
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sfarson
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Guess I'm dodging a bullet also. No problems at all. Bike has been perfect.
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/9/2007 1:51:54 PM
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SilverDawg
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Detonator,
Are you a regular on CVOharley.com as well? If not, go there and check out all of the postings on the engine issues.
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/11/2007 3:34:10 AM
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08CVORK
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Be careful of this so called CVOHARLEY forum. There are plenty of nay-sayers there that don't even own a 110, have never ridden one and absolutely have never been into the engine - but they will bad mouth your engine for you and tell you all that is wrong with it. Their information is hear-say so these people are basically rumor carrying internet gabbers.
The 110 is the same basic engine HD has been building since '99 except that the 110 has the cases bored for larger cylinder barrels for the larger bore but has the same stroke as the 96 ci.. Some other refinments and improvements have been done to the engine and it is 'cammed-up' from the factory.
Don't be led astray by these expert nay-sayers just because they inhabit a "CVO" named forum. I have 2000 miles on this 08 SERK without the slightest problem and no overheat on 100 degree days with high speed and hard riding. Some of the '07's may have had a problem with heating but there is no problem in that respect with this 110 engine. The only complaint that I have is slightly too much valve train noise - but I'm told that I'm too 'persnikity' about my bike, and I am!
Thanks,
08CVORK (sounds 'Svedish')
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/11/2007 5:47:26 AM
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As a member of the "so-called" CVOHarley forum, I should mention that many of it's members and posters have actually met/riden together/worked on their bikes together. So, unless they are renting CVO bikes for the day - I think their insites are pretty useful and factual. Certainly most have be at the very least helpful.
That said - many of the posters on this board and the CVO who seem overly Pro-MOCO are in fact Harley employees posting pure bullsh*t to perhaps save their careers. How's the stock doing today fellows? Down 15% in a week!!
My 110 with 7500 miles in back in the shop again for the third time in less than a year. I'm glad your CVORK is perfect - wish mine was.
I've only owned a half dozen Harleys out of nearly 40 bikes over 35 years. I've probably only ridden roughly 200,000 so I don't claim to be an expert. I've got a ten year old Harley in the garage that's been the best bike I've ever had. I will not sell it. But the new 110 is a different story entirely.
Leaking head gaskets/base gaskets--overheating -- primary noises - valve train noises -- die at idle -- paint issues on frame (fading) -- oil comsumption -- poor mileage
Take a look at a 96 inch - it may be a better bike all in all
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/11/2007 6:31:31 AM
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I am preparing a case for a Class-Action suit on the CVO 110" issues. Anyone else interested in becoming a party????
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/11/2007 9:34:13 AM
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08CVORK
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>>Leaking head gaskets/base gaskets--overheating -- primary noises - valve train noises -- die at idle -- paint issues on frame (fading) -- oil comsumption -- poor mileage<<
Is this a pretty good list of the 'issues' to be considered in this class action suit?
Smokin, Well, with all those miles and bikes and Harleys, you could have made a better choice or have a solution to the 110 saga? Nay-sayers have their place, especially when related to the stock market as they tend to keep folks from spending money that they cannot or should not spend thus, they tend to keep some control of a mind-set of the general public. Hell, if everyone was totally upbeat about Harleys, we would have to place an order. The atmosphere is fine - keeps out the riff raff you might say. I've been around a few years too, just don't reminisce that much about the past as some folks do. Still have my first Harley - a 1956 Duo-Glide, runs fine just don't like the starter anymore. This 110 so far has done fine for me and I feel for you that are having problems - but this one is still new too - as I said, only 2000 miles on it...
And I know of a couple of members of the CVOharley forum that are lots of BS too! You probably have encountered them and know which ones they are. I read there often, just don't see the need to join. I have nothing to tell, since my bike is doing OK. Looks like the forum is for bikes with problems.....
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RE: 110 problems? - 9/12/2007 8:14:06 PM
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