RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride?
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Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride?
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 11:50:09 AM
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1of2
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Interesting thread. I started write several times, each time sounded confrontational like I was offended by all the negative and often stupid comments about CCW. The funniest post was that someone claimed they see no reason to ever need to carry a weapon...OMG ... LOL...try turning on the news for 5 minutes. Man assaulted at gun point at gas station (plantation fl), pregnant women carjacked then shot an killed (Miami, fl), 72 year old man assaulted in Subway restaurant - at gunpoint (plantation, fl), 91 year old man pummeled by 22 year old thug for his car (Detroit, MI), Christmas crossfire in Boynton beach mall (Boynton bch, FL), student goes on killing spree at university (Virginia), women victim of rape after thugs caused accident in cars to stop her (OHIO - my aunt). Still think there is NO reason to carry a gun? I think that is great for all you who want to be victims...for YOU, not me. Good think you are not the one writing the laws.
But, hey man - people making broad sweeping negative comments about others who carry legally shouldn't let my contrary opinions offend you. Matters of fact, I only have Chuck Heston and the NRA on my side, CCW bad mouthers have Brady, Hillary, and Hitler on your side. Yes Hitler, he systematically took the guns away from citizens so he could wipe them out without a fight (read up on the history of the Warsaw Ghetto).
As for the entire LEOs strata that believe citizens should not carry, well in the state of Florida I say tough and too bad! I carry and glad I am allowed to exercise my right and freedoms. Where were the LEO officers when my aunt was raped? My mother told me to look out for myself in this world, bc no one else will...again, I choose not to be a victim.
Additionally, I read from several LEOs that if you carry you better practice (train). Yep, good advice - but coming from a LEOs, it is laughable - I grew up with officers that were friends with my father and I was able to outshoot them all at 13yrs old. Granted, father transferred a lot of knowledge to me from his trips to gunsight and thunder ranch, but they did not practice enough. And this is a common issue with LEOs, they are just not gun enthusiasts.
72 year old man assaulted in Subway restaurant - at gunpoint (plantation, fl),
This is my favorite recent news article. The 72 year old man happened to be an ex marine with a CCW and he wasn't quite as defenseless as those guys had hoped. He shot one in the head and the other in the chest and maybe saved a bunch of other lives as well. This guy is my hero.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 12:07:45 PM
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Dont wear a seatbelt, dont wear a helmet, eat at McDonald's, dont watch your diet, dont see your doctor regularly, and for God's sake, don't lock your doors at night... why would you? you are not scared of anything.
You suppose that it is fear that drives people to carry...wrong...it is a choice to not be a victim for me. I think people who believe fear is the reason we carry are always in "condition white", and when something bad goes down and someone gets seriously injured or dead, those people will be thinking "OMG, this cannot be happening to me" (Jeff Cooper).
If you don't know who Jeff Cooper is, or what condition white is, please read below:
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The most important means of surviving a lethal confrontation is, according to Cooper, neither the weapon nor the martial skills. The primary tool is the combat mindset, set forth in Principles of Personal Defense.
In the chapter on awareness, Cooper presents an adaptation of the Marine Corps system to differentiate states of readiness:
- White - Unaware and unprepared. If attacked in Condition White, the only thing that may save you is the inadequacy or ineptitude of your attacker. When confronted by something nasty, your reaction will probably be "Oh my God! This can't be happening to me."
- Yellow - Relaxed alert. No specific threat situation. Your mindset is that "today could be the day I may have to defend myself." You are simply aware that the world is an unfriendly place and that you are prepared to do something, if necessary. You use your eyes and ears, and realize that "I may have to SHOOT today." You don't have to be armed in this state but if you are armed you should be in Condition Yellow. You should always be in Yellow whenever you are in unfamiliar surroundings or among people you don't know. You can remain in Yellow for long periods, as long as you are able to "Watch your six". In Yellow, you are "taking in" surrounding information in a relaxed but alert manner, like a continuous 360 degree radar sweep.
- Orange - Specific alert. Something is not quite right and has gotten your attention. Your radar has picked up a specific alert. You shift your primary focus to determine if there is a threat (but you do not drop your six). Your mindset shifts to "I may have to shoot HIM today." In Condition Orange, you set a mental trigger: "If that goblin does "x", I will need to stop him." Your pistol usually remains holstered in this state. Staying in Orange can be a bit of a mental strain, but you can stay in it for as long as you need to. If the threat proves to be nothing, you shift back to Condition Yellow.
- Red - Condition Red is fight. Your mental trigger has been "tripped" (established back in Condition Orange). You take appropriate action.
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Now THAT's what I'm talkin about. Does anybody remember Bernard Goetz? Here is a poor guy that just got SO fed up with being a victim (I'd like to see someone like jackyl not piss his pants if/when confronted by four punks armed with guns or even knives) while just trying to go to work like evryone else that he decides he is NOT going to take it anymore. He arms himself for personal protection and low and behold, he is confronted by punks. He does what anyone of us (not the sheep) would have done but guess what, he lives in NYC. Sorry Bernie, you live in NYC and you have no choice BUT to be a victim. And, as an added slap in the face, he gets sued by one of the punks and and the jury awards the punk 9 or 10 million dollars.
Louisiana actually passed a law that allows you (or me) to shoot and kill a carjacker OR someone trying to break into your house.
I'll just say this: I don't WANT to have to kill anybody; I don't want to kill anyone, but if you want to be dead, f
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 12:23:14 PM
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Always have on the bike or one in the truck. Finally took the time to get a ccw this year so now i'm even legal.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 12:26:37 PM
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King_Sean
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72 year old man assaulted in Subway restaurant - at gunpoint (plantation, fl),
This is my favorite recent news article. The 72 year old man happened to be an ex marine with a CCW and he wasn't quite as defenseless as those guys had hoped. He shot one in the head and the other in the chest and maybe saved a bunch of other lives as well. This guy is my hero.
My hero and the hero of a lot of others who know this story...I watched the news on this and I was very surprised that the media (usually anti-gun) were claiming the man the be a hero, and I believe even said the words "he did the right thing". Neighbors were saying, I don't like violence (who does) but this man (the victim) was an honest man who would do anything for any of his neighbors. Can you believe the parents of these punks (at least the one shot in the head and killed) - she claims the man was a murderer, and her son would not hurt anyone. Funny the gun pointed in his belly said otherwise.
Here are two articles: the first is of the 72 yr old man who stopped a potentially lethal crime from being commited, the second is one where the Subway restaurant worker survived by the skin of his teeth.
http://www.local10.com/video/13585548/index.html
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=80298
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 12:41:08 PM
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This thread was a disturbing read to me. I would have never expected so many that agree on carrying a gun pretty much everywhere...even on your bike.
I feel sorry for everyone that is so scared to the bones that he/she has to carry a gun to feel safe all the time! You're not free if you need to do that...you're held hostage by fear.
This coming from someone who locks his car doors if only for a second while in 7-11, locks his house and car up at night... and posts about stolen bikes during rallies..... LOL Hypocrite..... Everyone has fear.. but the need to carry a gun is not out of fear at all.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 12:42:56 PM
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Thanks for posting the articles. Hopefully it will answer some peoples questions better than we could
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 12:50:52 PM
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exercising your rights??? i have 5 guns and they stay at home were they belong. i dont need to carry them on my bike, trying to look like john wayne. just sounds stupid to carry and ride. i just want to know what the hell you think is going to happen to you, to carry a gun?
and my last statement,wasnt meant to be humble. i meant it and i will tell any damn person to thier face it also. just plain stupid to carry for no dam reason. remember stray bullets can kill!!!
iam going to sleep, before i say something stupid on the forum over this topic. goodnight. and you gun carrying cool execerizing thier rights bike riders, dont forget to sleep with your gun under your pillow.
So you have five guns at your house but wont carry them outside your house? Why? Afraid someones gonna break in and rape you??? So no stray bullets can exit your house I see also, I need a bulletproof house also, where can I get one of these?
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 12:56:27 PM
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King_Sean
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iam going to sleep, before i say something stupid on the forum over this topic...dont forget to sleep with your gun under your pillow.
...Too late - you already said it.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 1:21:59 PM
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I generally try not to publicize personal important information for anyone to see, record, or keep notes on, so........
I ain't sayin' I does and I ain't sayin' I do, so leave me alone.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 1:31:58 PM
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I, never in my life, have (or would) voluntarily enter a 'social' situation that required me to carry semi-auto sidearms, complete with multiple clips. That sounds like a place any law abiding individual should avoid at any cost.
I guess youve never been to Memphis, TN before
BTW I m not joking people getting shot here every week
It sucks!
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 2:58:41 PM
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I always carry legally when I ride - either a sub-compact .45 ACP or a snub-nose .357 Magnum or both.
I have a permit and will only travel to states that honor Tennessee's permit - no exceptions when it comes to spending my traveling dollars.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 3:29:13 PM
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To this point in my life, I've tried to wear the Armor of God, and I trust in Him to protect me (really), so I dont' carry a gun when I ride, or otherwise. That being said, I could understand if you ride through long stretches of isolated territory (its not like that in my area of the country) it might be a wise thing to do and I would consider it. (Given the number of positive responses to this thread question, perhaps I should consider it!  )
Regards
Its like the old joke goes, God, why didn't you save me? " I sent you 2 guys in a raft, a canoe, a race boat and a helicopter, what else did you want?"
Vegashd, are you saying that since God gave mankind the knowledge to make and perfect weapons, He must agree that it is okay to use them to defend ourselves. Sounds good to me.
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Are you tellin me God does not approve of weapons?
Who is to say that God would not say you Frickin idiot i provided you in a rea that was legal to carry a weapon, sent hundreds of people to tell you to carry one and you still thought I would save you.... I tried... i sent 100 men to tell you to get a gun. And you then decided to puff your chest with my armor and take a bullet as I would save you then?????
I think you took my meaning wrong. I don't think God cares one way or another about guns. No more the He cared about the sling David used to slay Goliath. I'm saying that if God had had a problem with guns, He wouldn't have given us the ability to make them. No, God doesn't care about guns - He cares about us. And I don't think He get bent out of shape when we protect ourselves from others who would do us bodily harm.. I see it as a defensive thing. Of course, it's probably too much to expect, but if every one obeyed the Golden rule, this thread wouldn't even be here.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 3:30:57 PM
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I haven't the slightest idea what the hell you are talking about.
I didn't pull any statistics.
what I said about MOST people NOT being able to hit their target in a panic situation is from personal observation.
Have seen it on a combat range many times and worse I saw it in actual combat in Vietnam.
Yep a lot of people are great marksman on the safe and sane target range when they aren't being attacked or harassed by an instructor doing his job.
But as I said couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from inside it when under pressure, being charged or being shot at themselves.
You I am afraid are probably one of those people.
As far as when is it self defense and when isn't it. YOU go check the laws with various states and towns. They are all a little bit different when it comes to reasonable force or deadly force as a matter of self defense.
And the laws keep changing all the time, so you better be absolutely sure when you shoot.
And if you happen to be in the other guys neck of the woods, you are the good old boy no more, he his. right or wrong.
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Actually a lot of times a cw can just aggravate a situation.
And so many people that THINK they know WHEN and HOW to use a gun
when they really don't get themselves in more hot water then they were before they pulled.
Between shooting themselves, innocents (most people in a panic situation couldn't hit broad side of a barn from inside the barn). And when is it self defense and not is different in different states and towns. Just more legal liability than I care to deal with.
I try to stay away from places I could conceivably have a problem in.
even though trouble can come at you anytime and place.
When I do carry, it's unloaded and in the tour pack. Mostly for when I'm in a motel room or such and somebody tries to break in.
I would like to see the data you pull your statement from. Statistically speaking in states where CWP licenses have been enacted a reduction in violent crime has occured. Here is just one source for my point. http://www.scfirearms.org/Legislative/letter_to_Talley_subcom_3964.pdf
Ignorant statements like this is what perpetuates the idea that we are all lunatics that can't wait to pull our guns. Again, if you are going to make bold statements like this, back it up with fact.
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Then I shoot the mattress (no richochet or passing through thin walls) noise usually scares them off. And morally I feel better for shooting the mattress instead of another person when it was avoidable by doing so.
Only had it happen once in over 30 years of being out and on my own.
Secondly, why did you discharge your weapon. Seems to me by your own admission you put more people in danger in that one incident that I have in the years I have been a licensed carrier.
Silly, you are not short. maybe a little vertically challenged, but not short. 
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 3:56:32 PM
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choochoo
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For some reason you all totally missed the point.
Just because you have a cwp, does not mean you have the brains
to know when to use it or not.
Just means you've passed a background check saying you can and maybe you passed a proficiency test in being able to properly handle the gun and hit the target.
But if you pull that gun and brandish it around at the wrong time, you could find yourself out gunned or maybe attacked at a later time when you are not prepared.
No two situations or scenarios or probabilities are ever the same.
Are you all so gung ho that you would rather should and maim or kill someone, when a warning shot (such as into the mattress) could achieve the same result? And then live with your action after that?
Let me tell you it's not that easy to live with, it's not like TV or the movies.
You kill him he doesn't get up and walk away like after the movie ends.
You can all talk big, but I bet you won't feel the same after you have shot someone up close. It's not the same as hunting, ducks, deer, elk, etc.
My shoot to kill was in Vietnam and because they were shooting at me.
But still sometimes it catches you off guard and you start thinking about it.
Been 37 years since I was there.
So make all the jokes you want. We will see how you all feel after the fact, if you bother to come here and tell us.
And what if you make an error in judgement or miss and an innocent person gets shot because you rushed into action or you were pressured?
Lot of legality and morality waiting down the road for you.
Good luck. I'd rather shoot the mattress first.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 4:13:02 PM
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I don't see anyone making jokes. It is very serious. None of us wants it to happen and if it did we would be devistated..... but we would be alive. See how many news articles you can find that shows a licensed person being irresponsible. Your comments are unwarrented.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 4:46:54 PM
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second half of your response.I was interrupted and had to come back.
I was a very long way from my home area. Stayed the night in a motel off the freeway about 20 years ago.
Heard a noise of banging on door (like someone trying to break in)
I yelled out a warning, hopefully maybe it was some drunk or something and they had wrong room).
Then a trash can came through the window and some more yelling, two people at least.
I fired a warning shot into the mattress. The sound was enough to scare them off.
AND HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION I PUT ANYBODIES LIFE IN DANGER BY SHOOTING INTO MY MATTRESS????? You are some kind of moron I must presume.
And I never said I was NOT a licensed carrier. Just said I don't carry.
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Actually a lot of times a cw can just aggravate a situation.
And so many people that THINK they know WHEN and HOW to use a gun
when they really don't get themselves in more hot water then they were before they pulled.
Between shooting themselves, innocents (most people in a panic situation couldn't hit broad side of a barn from inside the barn). And when is it self defense and not is different in different states and towns. Just more legal liability than I care to deal with.
I try to stay away from places I could conceivably have a problem in.
even though trouble can come at you anytime and place.
When I do carry, it's unloaded and in the tour pack. Mostly for when I'm in a motel room or such and somebody tries to break in.
I would like to see the data you pull your statement from. Statistically speaking in states where CWP licenses have been enacted a reduction in violent crime has occured. Here is just one source for my point. http://www.scfirearms.org/Legislative/letter_to_Talley_subcom_3964.pdf
Ignorant statements like this is what perpetuates the idea that we are all lunatics that can't wait to pull our guns. Again, if you are going to make bold statements like this, back it up with fact.
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Then I shoot the mattress (no richochet or passing through thin walls) noise usually scares them off. And morally I feel better for shooting the mattress instead of another person when it was avoidable by doing so.
Only had it happen once in over 30 years of being out and on my own.
Secondly, why did you discharge your weapon. Seems to me by your own admission you put more people in danger in that one incident that I have in the years I have been a licensed carrier.
Silly, you are not short. maybe a little vertically challenged, but not short.
Man, where do I start. First of all I am not a moron. It shows your intelligence level and weakness of your arguement by having to resort to name calling.
Second, you don't know me. You don't know my training level. You don't know if I have been in combat. I am younger than you, but Viet-nam was not the only war. (I do appreciate your service to this nation) Frankly, it doesn't matter what I have done in the past. I have not personally attacked you ChooChoo, but I have made difference to your position.
I made very clear reference to your original statement by quoting you and putting the sentence I disagree with in bold. I will wait while you go back and read now. Ok, now that you are back with me you can see the statement you made in bold. I disagreed with your statement. I provided government statistics to back my point. I asked you to do the same. Obviously you cannot. I said nothing about anyones accuracy under fire as you retorted.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 5:09:29 PM
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choochoo
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Never said anyone was irresponsible.
But still comes back to knowing when and when not too.
Book learning only goes so far. Real world is the test and I still say most
are not capable of determining when or not.
Too many John Waynes, Rambos, die hard fans etc.
Yes you can sit here and monday morning quarterback the game.
But when actually in the game it is a different matter.
Yes sometimes it's a nice sense of security knowing you have it.
But use it wrong just once, or miss the intended target because you were
inept, or under pressure or you jerked the trigger, or you slipped, or you were bumped off target. Your life will become a living hell, lot of lawyers and money.
I see a lot of somewhat exotic weapons listed here, most semi auto's.
If you were as good as you claim you are, a simple revolver would probably suffice in most if not all encounters. If you are that badly outnumbered and out gunned, you just as well kiss you azz goodbye anyway.
As we said in the Corp, "one shot, one kill."
Goes back to my previous statement, most of you wouldn't be able to hit the broadside of the barn from inside the barn, when under attack and pressure. That's just the plain truth.
Targets on a nice sunny day or indoor range that don't shoot back at you are totally different than in a combat situation with a lot happening around you and the adrenalin pumping.
Is he carrying? is his buddy?, who's that over there, is he involved, is someone sneaking up from behind, do they physically have a grip on your wife (etc) how clear is my shot, will I hit her, etc.
all this and much more will be going through your mind at once. One slip, one error, and it can all go so wrong. How far is that bullet going to travel, before it is spent, or hits something or someone other than the intended target. 1/2" waver of the barrel can miss a man at ten paces. so are you absolutely positive of the need and your capability.
Much better to do all you can to avoid the situation in the first place. Yeah sometimes I know you can't.
But when you can't you better be absolutely sure.
And for those of you interested, when I do carry (very rare) I carry a 44 revolver.........Black powder. 6 shots and that's it.
Properly used (and I do know how) it will kill any man just as dead as your fancy semis with extra clips and 20 or more rounds.
Fits shoulder holster nicely you don't even know it's there under a levi jacket.
But it spends most of the time at home on the wall.
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I don't see anyone making jokes. It is very serious. None of us wants it to happen and if it did we would be devistated..... but we would be alive. See how many news articles you can find that shows a licensed person being irresponsible. Your comments are unwarrented.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 5:10:52 PM
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choochoo
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You're right moron probably wasn't called for
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second half of your response.I was interrupted and had to come back.
I was a very long way from my home area. Stayed the night in a motel off the freeway about 20 years ago.
Heard a noise of banging on door (like someone trying to break in)
I yelled out a warning, hopefully maybe it was some drunk or something and they had wrong room).
Then a trash can came through the window and some more yelling, two people at least.
I fired a warning shot into the mattress. The sound was enough to scare them off.
AND HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION I PUT ANYBODIES LIFE IN DANGER BY SHOOTING INTO MY MATTRESS????? You are some kind of moron I must presume.
And I never said I was NOT a licensed carrier. Just said I don't carry.
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Actually a lot of times a cw can just aggravate a situation.
And so many people that THINK they know WHEN and HOW to use a gun
when they really don't get themselves in more hot water then they were before they pulled.
Between shooting themselves, innocents (most people in a panic situation couldn't hit broad side of a barn from inside the barn). And when is it self defense and not is different in different states and towns. Just more legal liability than I care to deal with.
I try to stay away from places I could conceivably have a problem in.
even though trouble can come at you anytime and place.
When I do carry, it's unloaded and in the tour pack. Mostly for when I'm in a motel room or such and somebody tries to break in.
I would like to see the data you pull your statement from. Statistically speaking in states where CWP licenses have been enacted a reduction in violent crime has occured. Here is just one source for my point. http://www.scfirearms.org/Legislative/letter_to_Talley_subcom_3964.pdf
Ignorant statements like this is what perpetuates the idea that we are all lunatics that can't wait to pull our guns. Again, if you are going to make bold statements like this, back it up with fact.
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Then I shoot the mattress (no richochet or passing through thin walls) noise usually scares them off. And morally I feel better for shooting the mattress instead of another person when it was avoidable by doing so.
Only had it happen once in over 30 years of being out and on my own.
Secondly, why did you discharge your weapon. Seems to me by your own admission you put more people in danger in that one incident that I have in the years I have been a licensed carrier.
Silly, you are not short. maybe a little vertically challenged, but not short.
Man, where do I start. First of all I am not a moron. It shows your intelligence level and weakness of your arguement by having to resort to name calling.
Second, you don't know me. You don't know my training level. You don't know if I have been in combat. I am younger than you, but Viet-nam was not the only war. (I do appreciate your service to this nation) Frankly, it doesn't matter what I have done in the past. I have not personally attacked you ChooChoo, but I have made difference to your position.
I made very clear reference to your original statement by quoting you and putting the sentence I disagree with in bold. I will wait while you go back and read now. Ok, now that you are back with me you can see the statement you made in bold. I disagreed with your statement. I provided government statistics to back my point. I asked you to do the same. Obviously you cannot. I said nothing abo
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 5:18:30 PM
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Well I was on the ground floor.
Floor was carpeted and cement under it.
Since it was a soft lead black powder, I knew where it would be.
On the floor under the bed.
Much different than all these highpowered weapons most people here claim to have and carry.
But if I had shot through the window or door, no telling how far it may have gone or where or what it would have hit.
I deliberately fired into the mattress doing so slowed the slug done considerably and minimized it going where it was not intended.
Were the people intent on getting me doing me harm or were they at wrong room, don't know, don't care.
They were never found. And the warning shot was sufficient.
I'm just saying that anybody that is in a situation where they think they may need to draw their gun or worse fire it, better be absolutely sure!
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second half of your response.I was interrupted and had to come back.
I was a very long way from my home area. Stayed the night in a motel off the freeway about 20 years ago.
Heard a noise of banging on door (like someone trying to break in)
I yelled out a warning, hopefully maybe it was some drunk or something and they had wrong room).
Then a trash can came through the window and some more yelling, two people at least.
I fired a warning shot into the mattress. The sound was enough to scare them off.
AND HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION I PUT ANYBODIES LIFE IN DANGER BY SHOOTING INTO MY MATTRESS????? You are some kind of moron I must presume.
And I never said I was NOT a licensed carrier. Just said I don't carry.
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Actually a lot of times a cw can just aggravate a situation.
And so many people that THINK they know WHEN and HOW to use a gun
when they really don't get themselves in more hot water then they were before they pulled.
Between shooting themselves, innocents (most people in a panic situation couldn't hit broad side of a barn from inside the barn). And when is it self defense and not is different in different states and towns. Just more legal liability than I care to deal with.
I try to stay away from places I could conceivably have a problem in.
even though trouble can come at you anytime and place.
When I do carry, it's unloaded and in the tour pack. Mostly for when I'm in a motel room or such and somebody tries to break in.
I would like to see the data you pull your statement from. Statistically speaking in states where CWP licenses have been enacted a reduction in violent crime has occured. Here is just one source for my point. http://www.scfirearms.org/Legislative/letter_to_Talley_subcom_3964.pdf
Ignorant statements like this is what perpetuates the idea that we are all lunatics that can't wait to pull our guns. Again, if you are going to make bold statements like this, back it up with fact.
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Then I shoot the mattress (no richochet or passing through thin walls) noise usually scares them off. And morally I feel better for shooting the mattress instead of another person when it was avoidable by doing so.
Only had it happen once in over 30 years of being out and on my own.
Secondly, why did you discharge your weapon. Seems to me by your own admission you put more people in danger in that one incident that I have in the years I have been a licensed carrier.
Silly, you are not short. maybe a little vertically challenged, but not short.
Man, where do I start. First of all I am not a moron. It shows your intelligence level and weakness of your arguement by having to resort to name calling.
Second, you don't know me. You don't know my
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/13/2007 5:20:51 PM
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Never said anyone was irresponsible.
But still comes back to knowing when and when not too.
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Geez, is that not the definition of responsibiltiy?
Oh yeah, my beretta only holds 5 shots.
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