RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride?
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Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride?
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| I do sometimes -- I have a CWP |
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/18/2007 6:04:47 AM
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RangeRat
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I'm responding to some of your points by adding responses within your quote so that it's clear exactly what I'm talking about. I'm also softening some of your statements that I don't think add much value and am not trying to alter your intent so please pardon me if I remove anything that's key to your position. I am trying to bring focus to the differences we have so that we can either agree to disagree or resolve the differences in our opinions. Too bad you have said adios - I understand though. Peace.
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Come on you guys can do better then this. I said the idea was stupid to carry just because you can, not the the person was stupid. Bring that YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN CARRY idea to NJ. I concur that some the States have abrogated the Constitution. You'll have a year to think it over at the gray bar. As far as trigger time. Training is not just shooting at a target. It is weapon retention training (keeping anyone from getting your weapon). It is target identification, it is Innocent bystander training, it is shoot don't shoot training. With paint ball guns we train with shooting while moving. Shooting at a target that is moving. Shooting while both of you are moving. Shooting while being shot at. It isn't just standing down range in a shooting stance taking your time aiming at a target, control your breathing and fire. We are in total agreement on this point. Training is absolutely critical and so are things like good reasoning skills, appropriate reaction to a host of potentials, etc, etc.
Having 31 years of firearms training definitely makes me more then qualified to carry. If you want to interpret that to I'm smarter then you then go ahead. I make no claims about your training. Heck, my wife has had self-defense, firearms, and weapon retention training and she's pretty darn good at applying her training too. You're the one who holds your training up as justification for YOUR judgement that a non-LEO has no valid reason to carry.
When are you going to list those VALID reasons for you to carry??? You are the one who claims that I have no valid reasons whatsoever so YOU need to back that up, not me.
I'm a Veteran also..US Army..1971-1974 Japan/Vietnam..no combat Then you should already know that Military combat is often preceded by much more extensive "in your face" training than all but a few LEOs ever need or receive. Please stop holding up weapon retention training (or any specific training type for that matter) as justification for granting yourself some sort of exclusivity. Oh... BTW, USN (65-74), I Corps (66-68), combat on occasion... just like a LOT of other guys (and gals too these days). I'm sure you know that you've been encountering well-trained Vets all your life right there along with lots of well trained civilians too.
This is my last post on this subject. I have my opinion, you have yours. You guys can have the last word. Peace.
Peace.
ETA the "often" because there are no absolutes.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/18/2007 7:27:10 AM
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Crusher...I have tried to stay out of the fray after my last statement, but I can't in good conscience, not comment on your (Crusher's) remark "When are you going to list those VALID reasons for you to carry???"
All due respect to your 31-years of LEO service, I will simply say, the "List of valid reasons" is in the newspaper or on the daily news on T.V. everyday. I would also refer you to Gary Kleck and Mark Gertz "National Crime Victimization Survey Study" on firearms used for self-protection:
"Analyzing National Crime Victimization Survey data, criminologist Gary Kleck found, “robbery and assault victims who used a gun to resist were less likely to be attacked or to suffer an injury than those who used any other methods of self-protection or those who did not resist at all.”11 In the 1990s, Kleck and Marc Gertz found that guns were used for self-protection about 2.5 million times annually."
I don't think there is any study or statistic I could produce that would change your mind, as I said in a previous thread, LEOs with the "Us and them" mentality are dangerous to our way of life, the 2nd Ammendment, and shouldn't be "On the Job", I'm glad you're retired. JMHO, YMMV
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/18/2007 8:08:39 AM
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ORIGINAL: mtpoland
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A clip has no spring in it. A magazine does.
I have a ten round clip in my Ruger. It has a spring in it.
Thats because it's a magazine......
Interestingly enough, if you even go someplace like the Ruger website and do a quick search on the various pistols, everything is listed as magazines!
Example: (directly on the main page for the Ruger P944 .40S&W handgun)
Extras with this
Product include:
·Instruction Manual
·2 10-Shot Magazines
·Loader Magazine
·Case
·Lock
The term clip is used alot for handguns, but it's not an accurate term unfortunately. Typically used by the uniformed media for that matter.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/18/2007 8:51:31 AM
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But typical LEO (ret). I can carry, but you can't because I am smarter than you.
Who said that?
BTW, I can carry because the law says I can, in all 50 states. Contrary to some, it is not "YOUR RIGHT TO CARRY" in many states with or without a CWP. And if I choose to carry I have 31 years of firearms training and didn't just buy a gun and put it in my pocket. I don't carry because I can't find one reason to. I'm not worried about anyone I ever put in jail and I'm not worried about anyone I meet on the road or elsewhere. As many have stated in this thread, they have traveled all over this country and never had a problem. The chances of you ever "REALLY" needing a gun is slim. Again, my opinion because it is my "RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPINION". If your not highly trained in firearms you shouldn't have one. You wouldn't want me to work on your Harley because I know very little about them. And I wouldn't want an untrained individual with a gun anywhere around me or my family.
did this person have 31 years traning too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ZnB8RBl0U
How about this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uftJy-9WoKM
Looks to me that just cause your a cop and you have had training that it does not mean your any better at controlling a gun then the average citizen.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/18/2007 8:54:53 AM
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Well guys and gals,
I can see good points and bad. Not going to try to push anyones buttons here cause I like to stat away from conflicts when possible.
I do have guns but will not carry while riding or in a cage. I hunt. Lucky for me, I'm not in a position where I have to be in a location where I know I'll need added protection. Life is not perfect here but I'm aware of what is going on around me and yes, I have had to defend myself and family.
I'm sure that there are some of you that are well trained and some who are not. I could carry a weapon but choose not to. (My choice) Statistics show that there are alot of things that can go wrong. Satistics also show that you could end up dead in certain situations. I have seen what can happen in the heat of the moment and even the best training goes out the window.
If you carry, I hope you will never have to actually use it. If you do, make it count. (I really hate punks and thugs)
One more thing. Someone mentioned training with paintball guns. Try it sometime. You might be suprised how hard it is to react properly even when being shot at with non-lethal guns/markers. Sharpens skills and is a heck of alot of fun.
Be safe
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/18/2007 9:01:24 AM
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I'm in Canada and up here we don't carry or permit handguns. Period!
I have talented fists! lol
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/18/2007 3:27:10 PM
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When are you going to list those VALID reasons for you to carry???
Many reasons have been put forth for carrying. Either you've been lazy and not read the entire thread, or you've chosen to dismiss those reasons as invalid.
The level of validity that you might assign to any particular reason for carrying is irrelevant. This is because unfortunately you're grossly ignorant on the principles behind self-preservation, taking responsibility for one's own safety, and not relying on someone else or another entity (government) to take care of you. There are hints of Constitutional ignorance as well, but we won’t go there.
There are many armed assaults, armed robberies, murders, rapes, beatings, and other violent encounters all across this nation every second. A trip by the FBI crime statistics website can validate this claim. Every one of those is valid as it pertains to justifying one’s choice to carry a weapon to protect one’s life, or the life of a loved one.
Having discussed at length this very subject with my father (retired LEO), I feel safe assuming most cops truly wish they could prevent every crime from happening. Of course that is a silly concept, as it’s impossible.
You know very well that most often, with few exceptions police show up after a crime is committed. At that point, I'm fairly certain that it's unfeasible to un-murder the murdered, un-rape the raped, un-beat the beaten...et cetera. If you're going to disagree with this point I want solid evidence; preferably video with sound and a signed affidavit from the Pope.
Until such time as you invent this crystal ball, whereby us poor stupid citizens will be able to avoid victimization simply by gazing into it's watery abyss, I'm confident that the most valid reason to carry is simply to be prepared to protect one's self in the chance one finds that they're the target of criminal intent.
You can argue until you’re blue in the face that chances are you’ll never be the victim of a serious crime – one calling for deadly force response - so there's no need to carry a weapon.
But that would be an argument that boils down to one's own level of comfort with gambling with their life. If you’ve chosen not to carry as you feel the odds are in your favor, I support your right to make that choice. I choose otherwise, and I have my own valid reasons.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/18/2007 4:21:56 PM
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When I was in the service some 37 years ago my Drill Sargent explained too me the difference between a weapon and a gun. Therefore by that interpretation we are all carrying.....right?
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/19/2007 5:46:22 PM
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King_Sean
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ORIGINAL: Wyde Glyde Bry
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ORIGINAL: Crusher
When are you going to list those VALID reasons for you to carry???
Many reasons have been put forth for carrying. Either you've been lazy and not read the entire thread, or you've chosen to dismiss those reasons as invalid.
The level of validity that you might assign to any particular reason for carrying is irrelevant. This is because unfortunately you're grossly ignorant on the principles behind self-preservation, taking responsibility for one's own safety, and not relying on someone else or another entity (government) to take care of you. There are hints of Constitutional ignorance as well, but we won’t go there.
There are many armed assaults, armed robberies, murders, rapes, beatings, and other violent encounters all across this nation every second. A trip by the FBI crime statistics website can validate this claim. Every one of those is valid as it pertains to justifying one’s choice to carry a weapon to protect one’s life, or the life of a loved one.
Having discussed at length this very subject with my father (retired LEO), I feel safe assuming most cops truly wish they could prevent every crime from happening. Of course that is a silly concept, as it’s impossible.
You know very well that most often, with few exceptions police show up after a crime is committed. At that point, I'm fairly certain that it's unfeasible to un-murder the murdered, un-rape the raped, un-beat the beaten...et cetera. If you're going to disagree with this point I want solid evidence; preferably video with sound and a signed affidavit from the Pope.
Until such time as you invent this crystal ball, whereby us poor stupid citizens will be able to avoid victimization simply by gazing into it's watery abyss, I'm confident that the most valid reason to carry is simply to be prepared to protect one's self in the chance one finds that they're the target of criminal intent.
You can argue until you’re blue in the face that chances are you’ll never be the victim of a serious crime – one calling for deadly force response - so there's no need to carry a weapon.
But that would be an argument that boils down to one's own level of comfort with gambling with their life. If you’ve chosen not to carry as you feel the odds are in your favor, I support your right to make that choice. I choose otherwise, and I have my own valid reasons.
Well said, many of us have said it well... what is stupid is someone jumping into a thread without reading all the valid reasons to carry...THEN stating that there ARE no valid reasons.
Typical communist attitude - I can carry, you can't - because I'm more qualified than you. Seems to come from LEOs more than anyone.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/19/2007 6:14:09 PM
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/19/2007 6:30:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: Cryptoboy
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ORIGINAL: mtpoland
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ORIGINAL: Floridafred
A clip has no spring in it. A magazine does.
I have a ten round clip in my Ruger. It has a spring in it.
Thats because it's a magazine......
Interestingly enough, if you even go someplace like the Ruger website and do a quick search on the various pistols, everything is listed as magazines!
Example: (directly on the main page for the Ruger P944 .40S&W handgun)
Extras with this
Product include:
·Instruction Manual
·2 10-Shot Magazines
·Loader Magazine
·Case
·Lock
The term clip is used alot for handguns, but it's not an accurate term unfortunately. Typically used by the uniformed media for that matter.
I don't care what Ruger or anyone else says. My Ruger has a ten round CLIP!! It actually came with 2 clips. They will always be clips. Clip, clip, clip!!
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/19/2007 11:32:55 PM
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RangeRat
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quote:
ORIGINAL: mtpoland
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ORIGINAL: Cryptoboy
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ORIGINAL: mtpoland
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ORIGINAL: Floridafred
A clip has no spring in it. A magazine does.
I have a ten round clip in my Ruger. It has a spring in it.
Thats because it's a magazine......
Interestingly enough, if you even go someplace like the Ruger website and do a quick search on the various pistols, everything is listed as magazines!
Example: (directly on the main page for the Ruger P944 .40S&W handgun)
Extras with this
Product include:
·Instruction Manual
·2 10-Shot Magazines
·Loader Magazine
·Case
·Lock
The term clip is used alot for handguns, but it's not an accurate term unfortunately. Typically used by the uniformed media for that matter.
I don't care what Ruger or anyone else says. My Ruger has a ten round CLIP!! It actually came with 2 clips. They will always be clips. Clip, clip, clip!!
Mag, mag, mag... but 
One of my buds (VN Vet, 101st Abn, 2 P. Hearts) was a Chicago motor cop, now retiered down here to FL, and he says the same thing you do - "Clips you guys, CLIPS..... ah what the Hell". The gang has done plenty of range-time together and then shared a six-pack or two anyway (even though he is wrong).
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/20/2007 4:33:16 AM
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ORIGINAL: Crusher
In NJ it is near impossible to get a CWP. Do I carry? NO!. Can I carry? Yes! Retired LEO.
IMO almost all of you that carry "Just because it is you right" and have no real valid reason have a huge Napoleon complex and use the gun as an extension of your inadequate penis. It's just stupid.
Be careful your not killed or hurt with your own gun that somebody took from you. Happens more often then you think.
That should make me some friends..............
I respect your opinion and we're all entitled to that. I just have one question: Outside of your opinon on carrying do you believe that we all should have a CHOICE to carry if we want and are legally able to possess a gun? Curious what a former LE feels on this?
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/20/2007 6:08:04 AM
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what a life...if your that paranoid you can't go across the street without your piece...stay at home and board yourself up...we all a have a time stamp on us...you'll go under when your time is up no matter where you are or what your doing...lighten up, enjoy life, have as much fun in life as possible. Bad things happen no matter what...ATTITUDE...can tame a grizzly...go ahead shoot me...
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/20/2007 9:24:34 AM
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When I was in the service some 37 years ago my Drill Sargent explained too me the difference between a weapon and a gun. Therefore by that interpretation we are all carrying.....right?
Did he tell you "This is my weapon, this is my gun
This is for fightin' and this is for fun!"
Mine did.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/20/2007 9:41:04 AM
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Yeah....I remember that little rhyme
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/20/2007 12:14:22 PM
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And the debate goes on!
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/20/2007 4:01:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: Typical communist attitude - I can carry, you can't - because I'm more qualified than you. Seems to come from LEOs more than anyone.
That's CRAP... Most of the cops I worked with over the years are well aware of the fact that we generally get there when it is too late, and are in favor of concealed carry.
I absolutely believe that you should not be allowed to carry until you have passed some sort of qualification, no matter who you are.
Police qualifications are generally dictated by the state. John Q Public shouldn't be any different... I realize that there are folks out there who already know everything, but the vast majority of the public benefits from a little education....
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/20/2007 5:03:00 PM
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I have been a street cop for 20 years and in the USMC before that, so I have alot of training in firearms. I for one carry everywhere I go, except other countries where I can't. I have known off duty cops that have been killed because they were not armed and tried to stop a crime. I go with this general rule, "It's better to have a gun and not need it, than not have a gun and need it."
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/20/2007 6:18:49 PM
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heh, Why do I carry?
Simple, a police officer wont fit in my holster.
I could sit here all day and try to convince people to understand why I carry, but since I live in a state that allows me to carry concealed BY LAW, I dont have to.
You dont have to like it or understand it. I dont have to care.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/21/2007 12:49:35 AM
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/21/2007 12:55:11 AM
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I'm in Canada and up here we don't carry or permit handguns. Period!
I have talented fists! lol
yup that's right only the criminals have handguns up here!
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/21/2007 1:05:41 AM
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Carry only on extended trips.... Browning BDA 380
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/23/2007 11:30:42 AM
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I'am a state & federally licensed gun dealer in NYS and this thread has been interesting. In this state and others I assume as well theres whats called a disparity of force statute that will be looked at if someone fires a gun in self defense. Here, no matter what, even if you are armed legally you are REQUIRED to flee if possible from the threat instead of firng when you have a clear avenue of escape, say on a bike or car thats not blocked from leaving the scene for example. The only place you're not required to flee is your home. So, for example if you're in a road rage situation and some guy pulls over and you make the huge mistake of pulling over also to kick his @ss and your armed. You better not bring that gun into the equation-you'll go to jail for manslaughter. Now, say your forced off the road and blocked from escape, your armed and the guy gets out of his car with no weapon in his hands,ie: tire iron, chain, etc. These are all considerd deadly weapons and in this scenario, if he brandish's them he's putting his life in jeopardy.. With no weapons being displayed though you better just use your hands in a fistfight if it comes to that. You cannot shoot him UNLESS he's beating you almost to death. Bottom line here is you need to flee the scene if possible, you cannot stand your ground WILLINGLY and then shoot someone no matter what they have weapon wise unless your in your home. IF the bad guy makes the huge mistake of preventing you from fleeing AND he brandishes something that is considered and dealdy weapon-then he's bought and paid for, you can legally take him to save your life or that of anyone with you whos also prevented from escaping. Personnaly I think Texas has it right. There you can shoot someone for stealing your car or other property. Oh, and for the cop who thinks only LE should be armed. Your the report takers, the people need to be able to protect there self and their loved ones-themselves, What are you guys(LE) going to do it?-yea right. I'm also a marine no longer on active duty and I served my country to protect these sacred rights. What part of THE PEOPLE as noted in the 2nd amendment to our Constitution don't you understand? It does NOT say "The cops" does it?
You need to read up on STAND YOUR GROUND and CASTLE DOCTRINE laws. That's not the case in all states.
In short - KNOW your laws.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/23/2007 11:43:52 AM
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The reasons I carry in my everyday life, are the same reasons I carry when I ride.
- Way Way Way too many home invasions in my zip code in the last 5 years. They even follow you into your neighborhood, then attack you right at your own front door. (so having it in a safe doesn't do you a lick of good) Or, they kick your door in at 3am and ransack the place.
- 6 months ago, a biker was flagged over by three men in a pickup. They beat him and tried to steal his bike, left him for dead on the side of the road.
- I realize now that the police aren't there to protect me. Oh they try to prevent crimes, but it's much more likely they just come and take the report after the fact. No offense to LEO, but they'll be the first to admit this.
- It's the same reason I carry a cell phone and a spare tire on my car. Or a seatbelt. Or a helmet. Or a jack. Or a screwdriver and gloves. You hope to never need to use those things, but you're sure glad when you have them.
Protecting myself and my family falls on my shoulders.
I took the training.
I PRACTICE.
Attended the required course.
Passed the shooting proficiency exam.
Passed the written test.
Passed the FBI background check.
I carry everywhere I'm legally allowed to, and you won't know it unless the shit hits the fan.
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RE: Guns and rides Do you carry a firearm when you ride? - 7/23/2007 12:05:23 PM
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tmitchellof PG
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ORIGINAL: Ace07FXDL
I'am a state & federally licensed gun dealer in NYS and this thread has been interesting. In this state and others I assume as well theres whats called a disparity of force statute that will be looked at if someone fires a gun in self defense. Here, no matter what, even if you are armed legally you are REQUIRED to flee if possible from the threat instead of firng when you have a clear avenue of escape, say on a bike or car thats not blocked from leaving the scene for example. The only place you're not required to flee is your home. So, for example if you're in a road rage situation and some guy pulls over and you make the huge mistake of pulling over also to kick his @ss and your armed. You better not bring that gun into the equation-you'll go to jail for manslaughter. Now, say your forced off the road and blocked from escape, your armed and the guy gets out of his car with no weapon in his hands,ie: tire iron, chain, etc. These are all considerd deadly weapons and in this scenario, if he brandish's them he's putting his life in jeopardy.. With no weapons being displayed though you better just use your hands in a fistfight if it comes to that. You cannot shoot him UNLESS he's beating you almost to death. Bottom line here is you need to flee the scene if possible, you cannot stand your g | | |
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