RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/11/2007 4:35:13 PM
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lionsm13
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Gotta buddy that did an Ultima 96. He is real happy with it. He keeps telling me to save my $ and buy an ultima 113-127. I see that once in a while you can buy the whole works,6 speed tranny, bdl, and motor, anything from a 113-127 for between $5-6 K. Right now, I gotta an fxstc evo, 99 that has 30 K miles on her. Ain't had no headwork. Do a lot of 2 up ridin'. Wife likes to ride as much as me. Would like to have a few more ponies that I current have of which is 70 and 71 of foot pounds of torque. Goes pretty fast, or I should say fast enough, even for living out here around Sturgis. Been thinkin' bout redoin' my heads with a port job, new pistions, bore, hone and square up the jugs, and maybe a bigger cam than the Vthunder 3010, that I currently have, with a Woods W6. I think that this will probably run around $1500, give or take. Wondering if maybe I shouldn't just try and make the motor I got last, drop the $1500 on her in a while or save up the $ for new and go with a bigger motor down the road, like in a year and a half or so. Are these bigger motors fairly quick off the line? Pros, Cons... Insurance more, less? Suggestions?
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/12/2007 5:08:28 AM
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This is my humble opinion and only my opinon. Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one.
I took my 80", sent the heads and the jugs to Shortblock Charlie in Tempe, Az. http://www.motorcyclemachine.com/ He did the heads, big valves intake and exhaust, bored the jugs .05 over. Shaved the heads, .30 cometic gaskets, flat top pistons, adjustable push rods, ev27 cam, new gaskets through out. Seem like i spent around $1200 on all the stuff plus shipping. Then I got a friend that is a hd mech. to help me do the rebuild, I gave him a couple hundred for his direction. So about $1500 spent. Rode it about a year, about 75 hp- 80 tq on a race simulated dyno. ( a dyno that travels to different HD dealers). This motor ran good, pulled hard from 2000 rpm to red line, but i still wanted more. ( it's the nature of the diease) I can never get enough of anything. Anyway, that another story. What I am trying to say is that $1500 i spent on the 80" could have spent on the new motor that I (the bank) bought anyway. I just wonder if Charlie could do anything with these Ultima heads ?
Its a diease i tell you, its a diease!
Its all in how fast you want to get to the speed you want to go and how much you are willing to spend to get there.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/12/2007 6:29:53 AM
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Those heads can be helped alot !
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/12/2007 9:53:42 AM
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paco
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Are you talking port, polishing, flow ? Help me out, I am not a gear head by any means.
What can be done ? I want to get there fast, but I don't want to launch it !
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/12/2007 10:00:08 AM
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Yes port and polished . Cam choice usually decides where the power is made .
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/14/2007 4:19:40 AM
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paco
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js124, goat
On your bagger with the 113, what did you do with the clutch ? Goat what did you do on your softail ? Heavier clutch spring, add an extra clutch disc or go with rivera or barrnett clutch pack ? I can't seem to keep my clutch adjusted. I adjusted it w/1/8 in freeplay and within a week its where i nearly don't have a clutch again. I may need to go ahead and buy new clutch disc and install the new heavier diapham spring.
Any suggestions ??
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/14/2007 4:24:56 AM
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I use a primo pro clutch on all my bikes . They aren't cheap but they are well worth the money .
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/14/2007 8:14:02 PM
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paco
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Thanks guys,
I ran a primo on my shovel and 113 groundpounder. I think the stealer has one on the shelf that someone ordered and never took delivery. I might get it at a reasonable price....... yeah right ! Or, I might get by with new discs.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/15/2007 4:37:36 AM
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Yeah, that's kinda how I feel too. I am currently at 70 ponies, but I don't know if it's worth going through all the BS to get it up to 90 or so ponies. Probably save up for an Ultima. I saw a 113 through Jireh for $3800. I'm thinking that ain't too bad. Throw in another 600 for a tranny, another 400 for a new clutch and you got a new bike for $5K, and one that will haul ass and then some.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/15/2007 3:35:11 PM
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Did you go with a heavier duty clutch, and ultima 6 speed tranny too?
What are your observations since putting it in;was it a fairly easy install time wise, (probably not, nothin' is generally as easy as it seems,right LOL)
any problems, did you use synthetic on it, out of the box? Does it hook up, and or work in unsion to a lot of your stock softail stuff? Don't mean to pry, just wanna know what I'm gettin' into. 113's any better than the 120's, or? What year of Fatboy is that? Did or was there any difficulty fitting in the bigger motor in your Fatboy Frame Goat?
Thanx, appreciate any information.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/16/2007 3:52:57 PM
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Cool; I will continue to save my $ then; lookin' forward to it when I can get it..
Temptin' to go into debt for it. as I anticipate that due their popularity, they will continue to go up in $.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/19/2007 4:49:58 AM
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I've decdided to go wtih the 107 as it is more of a square motor than is the 113. The bore and the stroke are with in a quarter inch of each other, and I don't believe that you have to mess around with compression releases either. Soooooooo, that's where that's at.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/19/2007 5:44:01 AM
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lionsm13,
I am completely satisfied ,so far, with my 107" motor. As far as I can see the 100", 107" and the 113" are built around the same bottom end, 100-3.875 bore, 107-113 same bore-4.00", same heads. It is the stroke that is different 100-4.25, 107-4.25 and the 113-4.50. Jireh catalog as a breakdown of all the El Bruto series motors. http://www.jirehcycles.com/ The 107" does have compression releases as does the 100" and the 113". I don't always use the releases as I am not use to them yet. I try to remember every morning to use them, as it spins the cold engine faster on initial start up. Just trying not to strain the starter so much.
I rode a 2008 Streetglide at the local dealership Saturday that belonged to the owner. 103"tw. tricked out. I don't think he could keep up with the old 90 fl. Of coarse it would probably come down to who had the biggest balls.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/19/2007 3:29:13 PM
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I don't know nothin' about compression releases either Paco. Kinda dumb about them, how do they work, and or what do you have to do to work them? Also decided to go with the Ultima 6 tranny, and have opted to not go with the open belt drive. Folks say they'll drive you crazy with all their racket and noise. Jireh said that their motor comes with the extra clutch plate built in, so no need to mess around there. They say that they only come with the Mikuni 45 now, and no longer the Super G, of which is kind of a bummer.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/19/2007 5:08:11 PM
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Hey Goat; is that the natural cast motor? Paco is that the polished one? Is is harder to keep the polished one clean as opposed to the natural one, I would think? I gotta silver bike, and if that natural cast is that silver it would go with my set up nicely, but so would the polished one, always been a little partial to chrome, but the natural one looks good, more silver in it, than the HD casts.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/20/2007 4:17:12 AM
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lionsm13,
I went with the black and chrome motor. It looks good to me. I have heard the polished motor runs a little hotter than the black or natural. This could be false, but I wanted the black anyway. The compression releases are nothing to worry about. You must be going with the complete package drive train if there is a extra clutch plate in the package. All I bought was the motor. I wanted the 6 speed gear set but they were out of stock when I ordered. At this time I don't think Ultima makes a complete tranny to fix the old tour bikes. I may be wrong, but I can't find them listed in the Jireh catalog or the ultima web site.
later.............
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/21/2007 7:56:18 AM
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Do you think that you would need an oil cooler with these, or are you guys runnin' with an oil cooler, and if so what kind?
Thanks again for the info.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/21/2007 9:40:58 AM
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lionsm13,
I am running an oil cooler. The motor can with an owners manual and it suggested putting an oil cooler on these engines. I bought a Jagg Horizontal mount J1270 for my dresser. On pg 10 of the owners manual it talks about oil coolers. The first url gives you all the info on the motors. The second is the owners manual download.
http://www.ultimaproducts.com/107engine113.html
http://www.ultimaproducts.com/EngineCIpics/UltimaEngineManual.pdf
later...................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/22/2007 5:06:03 PM
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Oh yeah, BTW; just out of curiouslity did ya'll get any better brakes considerin' all the added ponies? It would seem logical, wouldn't it? LOL!!
At least for me, at any rate. 
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/23/2007 4:33:14 AM
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lionsm13,
You may have said that as a joke, but I actually did. Not really because of the add power, but just because I wanted a little better brakes. I bought some 2001 + brakes on ebay and mounted them on the ol'dresser. Work pretty damn good.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/23/2007 7:40:50 AM
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I said that jokingly, but in all seriousness, I don't think stopping power is a joke at all. I will or probably should pony up and get some hawg halters or the equivalent, I would think;just wondering if you guys upgraded your brakes too, besides the bigger motor? I like the looks of those 360's, but hear they're about a thousand bucks. Look like ya don't even have brakes.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 11/23/2007 8:42:53 AM
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Goat,
It was running goooood a couple days ago. It rained here in LA (lower alabama) the last couple days and today it is rather cool (by our standards) so it is sitting in the shop. But hey, the bike runs good. I readjusted the clutch and it seems to be holding. I have got to quit twisting on the right side handle so hard though. Seems like I have to put gas in the thing ever day or so. And then there that slobber running in my big ol' ears, which don't look too cool. I am saving my pennys for a new clutch and a 6 speed Ultima tranny. Have you heard anything on the trannys. I tried to buy one when I ordered the motor, but Jireh was out of the gear sets at that time. Softtail owners can buy the complete trans, but us ol'dressers don't have that luxury. Gear sets were $500.00 at the time I ordered, seems cheap compared to the other sets I have priced. My sisters husband gave over $1500 on ebay for a six speed gear set. Don't know who the manufacturer.
lionsm13, I am not familiar with the 360's you spoke of. but the 2000+ brakes work pretty good. Hope all yall had a good Thanksgiving, I ate to much, again.
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Goat ,
how do you put you pic in your post ? and then change it ? I can't even get one pic to post......
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