RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/7/2008 3:58:19 AM
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Classic Beast
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Just put in a 127 in a 95 flstn have the baker 6 speed and pro clutch. got about 500 miles on the motor now. Had to increase the stop so put on duel discs and 6 piston calipers. Ran a 110" S&S before. Push rods are bent so have some new ones coming. Oil pressure is a lot higher than the S&S up to 35 or so on the highway once it's warm. Really enjoy the motor, next step is to do the heads and RSR fuel injection.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/7/2008 12:09:07 PM
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paco
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Classic Beast,
I almost wish that I had went with the 120 in my 90 Dresser,but I don't know if I could have stood the power. I really like the 107". Oil preeure is about 35-40 will riding and around 25 at idle. You say the pushrods are bent, I hope you mean in the S&S motor. What are you plans for the heads and who are you planning on doing them ??
later...........
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/8/2008 1:27:59 AM
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Classic Beast
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Randy at R&R I was in touch with him, Here is what he had to say (see below). I had to change out the front barrel as it was damaged in shipping when I had it apart I noticed the ports etc could use some clean up (free HP). I looked at fuel injection and was thinking of the S&S VFI but it's more for upgrading a bike that already has injection so I think I am going to try the RB Racing unit since if you look at the 2 of them it's about the same price but there are a few advantages with the RB system (comes with fuel pump, wiring harness etc all complete). The mikuni works fairly good but as any carb it has some short comings. I put the RB fuel ratio meter on it which really helped dial in the carb, still some fine tuning to do. The push rods were bent in the Ultima motor right from the start, (not sure why) the lifters were noisy so I checked the adjustment and they were spot on so when I pulled off the barrel I checked them for straight the exhaust wasn't too bad but the intake has quite the bow in it. I also noticed these are a 3/8" pushrods but there is plenty of clearance to run a 7/16" so I ordered some Vthunder ones, Ultima says they will fit no problem. Hope this cures the noisy lifters. The 127 actually runs smoother and is better behaved than the 110 more like a stocker, for the size of the motor the cam is quite mild. It's easy to turn down the power on the larger motor (leave the throttle cable loose) but really hard to turn up the power on a smaller motor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy" <Randy@kingofcubes.com>
To: "'Classic Beast from Harley Davidson Forums'" <geroldine@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: Head work
My guess would be 2- 3 hundred. Bolt the flanges on backwards and scribe a
circle on each head, then measure port to port at it's closest point. I use
a stiff piece of paper and cut it into a T shape snipping the ends to this
dimension. Then send the parts. Turn around 1- 2 weeks.
Regards
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: Classic Beast from Harley Davidson Forums
[mailto:geroldine@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:32 AM
To: randy@kingofcubes.com
Subject: Head work
I have a 127" ultima, have you done any headwork on these? I only need port
matching and minor clean up as it's on a hertiage Classic which I don't race
I am installing a RSR fuel injection so would need to have the manifold
matched to the heads as it's a 386 S&S "D" manifold. Any idea of price and
turn around time?
P.S. I live in Canada
BOb
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/13/2008 5:25:49 AM
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I just did a ground up restor on a 1987 FXR I put a flh front end on electra glide tank 200 back 18inch spoke chain dive because I went with the ultima 127 with the roadrunner billit 6 spd. and
3 inch open belt. MMMAAANNN, I had problems from the start!!!! the ignition jireh sent me was only firing every other time on the front cyclinder. then I got the wrong plug wires for the coil ,then I didnt have a large enough starter even with the comp. realeases. so all is well now I only have 200 miles on her. I havnt come up with a name but man she is pretty. Candy Tangerine and Black with silver pinstriping by hand. I will put up pics soon. oh and yeah I sure would like a mikuni and from 2000-3000 runs like junk then 3000-up rips your arms off!! I dyno tuned it 120 tq that was with the front cyl. firing every other time. I will post hp ## after proper break in.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/13/2008 12:12:07 PM
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Classic Beast
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My 127 is smooth as glass from idle on up. Have about 1500 miles on it now and when I get home in a week from overseas I will be able to put a few more on it. Hope the new pushrods help with the lifter noise.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/13/2008 1:59:28 PM
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brad,
The ignition that came with my 107 was a single fire. I had to buy a single fire coil for it to wrk properly. I am sure you got a single fire coil also, right? My engine came with a MIkuni 45 also.... My 107 is as smooth as silk. Around 3000 + miles on the motor and about 350-400 on the trans, weather sucks right now. Anyway, "beast" let me know how the pushrods do, my engine is a little noisey, but I haven't looked into it yet. However, my HD 80" was noisey in the valve train dept. too.
later......................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/13/2008 2:13:14 PM
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i just pulled a ultima 113 apart this afternoon, lifter failed at 8000 miles, took the cam and lifter block with it.......... looks like its going back to ultima............. it ran great from day one, the owner loves it, makes that ultra run like a flash of lightning
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/13/2008 6:51:15 PM
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paco
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Thanks bigjohn,
Did the owner say if there was any forwarning ? Was it running good and just drop the lifter or did it start tapping exceptionally bad. Just wondering, so I can be on the lookout for anything that might give me a clue. I listen very closely while i am riding since I installed the engine. A friend brought his 80" evo over and it was tapping like hell. I pulled the pushrods and the lift blocks and lifters. The front lift roller had completely came apart. Cleaned everything up, checked the cam, put in another lifter and he's been riding it since last spring. Anything or any info will be appreciated.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/13/2008 7:06:43 PM
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said it was a little noisy, like it may have needed to be adjusted, but he wasnt riding it when it come apart, the kid riding it said it was sounding like his panhead, then just went to hell fast,, he shut it down quickly, but it was too late, after looking at the lifters, i would throw them away ASAP, look like cheap and noot good enough for the cam in the motor, look into a set of jims big axle or similar quality to replace them.........
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/14/2008 4:15:57 AM
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Had a similar oil breathing problem on my S&S 110" it would use 1 qt in about 1000 miles and always had a fine mist from the crankcase breather, I finally rebuilt the complete engine, new pistons, crank pin bushings bearings etc. It ran good but still had the mist and used oil about the same. I did several things and each one helped till finally no mist and 0 oil consumption. First was on the head breather fittings I pointed them straight up and ran a hose from each with the small plastic baffles inside to a T up under the tank. Next I replaced the timed breather with the S&S reed valve. finally plugged the crankcase breather as with the head breather the crankcase is not needed. Finally routed the breather hose from the heads inside the air cleaner, not a dribble or drop of oil from it, put on about 20,000 with it this way and still works good.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/14/2008 4:43:51 AM
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I guess it might be an idea to replace the lifters then along with the pushrods just to be sure on my 127 Ultima as I was thinking of the Vthunder lifters since I have to replace the pushrods anyways. I have about 1200 miles on it and it had lifter noise since day one found some of the pushrods are bent and have a set of Vthunder pushrods ready to go in. Haven't had it over 3100 yet just breaking it in easy.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/28/2008 8:07:07 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: bigjohn1percenter
i just pulled a ultima 113 apart this afternoon, lifter failed at 8000 miles, took the cam and lifter block with it.......... looks like its going back to ultima............. it ran great from day one, the owner loves it, makes that ultra run like a flash of lightning
I was the kid that was riding the bike when it happened. we pulled the motor out and shipped it back to ultima and there gonna give the owner a new motor under warranty. cant beat that now atleast they stand behind there shit!
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/29/2008 4:35:49 AM
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hey meatz,
was the lifter noise really loud when it failed? reason I ask, friends fatboy lost a lifter last summer and it sounded really bad and it sounded like it was all over the bike. I had to pull the pushrods and lifters to find it. the roller on the bottom of the front exhaust valve lifterwent to sh*t. just curious. I just want to be aware of any unusual noise. we hear all the horror storys about these engines after we buy them, never before. But, I am in and out of the local dealer about once a month, maybe more some months and there is always at least 20 + bikes waiting to get something fixed, whether it be a engine upgrade, rebuild or warranty work or just a service. If it has wheels or t*ts it will give you problems, trust me.
later...................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 2/29/2008 8:44:02 AM
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well it sounded the same big ass cam noisy valvetrain tick to it from the time i picked it up till the time it blew up. when it did blow i herd a loud snap and i shut it down and coasted it over but i also wear a helmet and the snap is the only thing out of the ordinary thing that i herd. there was metal all over the place from the filter to the oil pan so it must has been on its way out before the snap. but ill tell ya man that 113 ran like a raped ape
im considering getting a 127'' ultima for my next bike im building only im gonna tear it apart and blueprint it and replace the cam(go with a smaller cam prolly arround 575 lift), lifters( jims big axle-like john said), and pushrods with 7/16 peices and go over the heads cause i herd they also have 2 peice valves in them and replace them with some bigger units but other than that everything in the motor looks top notch and you can beat it for the price
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/2/2008 7:30:17 PM
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I remember when S& S started and like all the other brands you mentioned they had their teething problems. Ultima make a good engine, when they find a weak link they change it. They initially had problems with pistons, now the use Mehle pistons. Mehle pistons are used by many top NASCAR teams so I wouldn't call them sub-standard or poor quality. Some people think that low price equals poor quality, we tell them OK we can charge you $7,000-$10,000 for an Ultima if it will make you feel better all have decline and paid regular price and are very happy.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/3/2008 2:38:23 AM
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paco
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Storm 4 U,
Could it be the same reason we buy a high dollar motorcycle, do an engine upgrade, change the handlebars, exhaust, seat, wheels and paint. Change the floor boards/ pegs, cables, grips, consoles, and buy chrome sh*t that we really need from china and still smile and wave as we walk out the dealers front door with the condom still hang out our a$$.....................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/7/2008 12:16:23 PM
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quote:
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Storm 4 U,
Could it be the same reason we buy a high dollar motorcycle, do an engine upgrade, change the handlebars, exhaust, seat, wheels and paint. Change the floor boards/ pegs, cables, grips, consoles, and buy chrome sh*t that we really need from china and still smile and wave as we walk out the dealers front door with the condom still hang out our a$$.....................
A: I don't buy shiat from the dealer, haven't been back since 2001 when I bought my Duece
use Indy shops and high quality aftermarket parts
B: What I do buy I research quite a bit and thus ain't replacing it prematurely, especially engine work
C: I can afford the best motors available, if not I'll choose to wait
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/7/2008 1:15:18 PM
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paco
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That's cool........
later................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/14/2008 7:53:38 AM
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I just put a 127" in my bagger did you have to replace your petcock...not getting any gas.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/14/2008 9:12:09 AM
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paco
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No I did not have to replace the petcock. what model bike do you have . I dont know what year the Moco started putting vacuum petcocks on the bikes. My 99 roadglide has one but my 1990 eglide does not. There are vacuum ports on the Mikuni that came with your motor. You can hook a vac line to the petcock which will open it when you start to crank. Thats the only thing I can think of unless the screen in the tank is completely stopped up.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/14/2008 10:54:19 AM
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97 roadking with 87K. Relpaced my perfectly running evo since my last rebuild at 61K. I needed more power. Yes I did spot a vacume port on the carb, when I get home today I will hook it to the vaccume port on the back side of the petcock..I finished putting the motor in late last night and turned it over a few times to check oil pressure before starting and no fuel..I will solve that problem tonight and hopefully wake the neighborhood :-)
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/14/2008 12:05:59 PM
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I had the pingle petcock already on a 95 softail so never had a vacuum petcock. Have about 2K on my 127 so far and just love it. Runs better every day although the top cover was loose on the mikuni causing a vacuum leak and the washer was missing under the jet needle after I fixed these problems it ran so much better although I did have to go down to the 175 on the main jet as it was too rich with the 185 and crapping out after 4500.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/14/2008 12:35:12 PM
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paco
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Beast,
did you ever change the pushrods and if so, did it quite down the top end noise? Just curious. Mine has nearly 4000 miles on the engine and a little over a 1000 on the 6 speed. all is well with both. like you said, runs better everyday.
Goat have you fired the 113 lately ? still snowing up there ? we have had a couple days this week in the low 70's. had to work but was able to ride to work...
Iron rider, i did the same thing. I had about 10,000 miles on my evo after i did a top end. heads, jugs, cam, etc. just wasn't enough.
its never enough........its a diease i tell you, its a diease !
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/15/2008 2:24:43 AM
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Classic Beast
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Yes changed the pushrods and lifters to V thunder. Still noisy at idle but these are the high bleed rate lifters and after about 1500 rpm they are quiet plus they seem to have improved the power. Couldn't see anything wrong with the lifters I took out as I was concerned about failure. Because these lifter blocks are so high the fast times pushrods still can't be changed out easily. The Ultima pushrods are 3/8" and the Vthunder are 7/16 so quite a bit stronger.
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