RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/26/2008 7:33:19 AM
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paco
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JJB1,
Thats great news, i was hoping it was something like that and not a major issue. i hope this solves your problem and thanks for getting back and lertting us know what the problem was.
later.................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/26/2008 9:42:11 AM
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JJB1
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I did but I disconnected as soon as he told me last week...did not notice any performance diff at all he was very attament about disconnecting it ...he said that some can blow that motor at 500 miles...you think they would put that in the book...it could also be just prefrence...but these babies are already strung pretty tight with the aggressive profiles/ comp/timing...I would take it off your not shooten for 1/10 of a second at the drag strip/// why risk it ?
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/26/2008 9:43:41 AM
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JJB1
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oh mine came with the single fire pre-set no adjustments recommended...rev at 5500 limit
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/26/2008 9:54:12 AM
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JJB1
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maybe its just who we talk to when we call LOL...I just don't want any advance at all the safer the better for me thats one of the reasons i got the 100 was because of specs..but hey I arleady got a bad lifter ...so who knows lol
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/26/2008 9:55:26 AM
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paco
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JJB1,
My VOE has been connected ever since i got the engine. About 4500 miles with no issues, but if the tech said I didn't need it, then i don't need it. Mine came with the Ultima single fire, I assumer it is the same as JJB1 and I bought a dyna tech single fire coil.
(I was pretty close, huh Goat)
later...........
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/26/2008 10:01:08 AM
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JJB1
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cool its probably just fine the way it is...I would think just maybe if you raced it and/or dogged constantly you might have some concerncs but i doubt any of us drive like that all the time so hey I wouldnt worry about it...
youall have a good day ill post when I get my new lifter back in and make sure evrything is running good
later
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/28/2008 8:48:55 AM
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Just put my second 127" in my 97 Roadking in 2 weeks. Hope this motor last longer than the last. I replaced my EVO with 86K. So far so good 50 miles and counting....500 by the end of this weekend-)
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/28/2008 9:27:35 AM
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Just make sure they aren't using Harley's Evo lifters. They are a known weak point even in bone-stock engines. I had two fail in 100K miles in a near stock engine that I don't beat on. I know that they have used OEM lifters in some Ultima engines in the not-too-distant past, but in researching it now, I can't find any place where they say what lifters they use in any of their engines. I think it would be worth the expense to replace them with Crane or whatever, even if Ultima won't pay for it.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/28/2008 10:10:25 AM
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JJB1
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Well the lifter swap is not going well …they came out OK with a magnet in the crankcase and I thought since they were adjustable pushrods that I could just split them…WRONG I have to pull the rocker covers top and bottom and you cant do the back box without pulling the motor …man I aint happy since I just put the d_-- thing in….I would like to just send it back and start over because of couple other minor things I found especially since I have to pull it anyway…I wonder what other guys that have had issues in the past have to do their own labor as well…I don’t mind as much because I have pretty much wrenched all my life… just a big pain and I know what Iam doing with all the tools…they probably just tell you to send it back and they fix it I am sure…anyway I ve got another call into them before I go any further…again I bought the 100 because of the compression rating and other things for long-life rather then an extra 20 HP….I should just bought a 113 and I probably wouldn’t have had any issues…anyway good luck on your 127 I am sure it will be fine… and MP knowing first hand I almost would have to agree with If I got to keep it I should just drop the exppensive for the better lifters and pushrods
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/28/2008 11:31:58 AM
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paco
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Goat,
The issue with the VOES. I PMed a fellow whom has been dealing with a 113" on a roadking.He has a lot of experience with these motors. this is what he said :
"I have discussed this with Midwest Motor tech dept and John Sachs of So Fl who does a lot of work for Midwest,
The consensus is never ever ever put a VOES on a Midwest Stroker
It will burn it up with internal heat for major piston and cyl damage.
If it were me I'd take it off ASAP" I have since taken the VOES vacuum line from the carb to the switch and plugged the line today. I do not remember reading anywhere in the owners manual about the use of the VOE. anyway i am assuming we don't need it.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/28/2008 12:19:10 PM
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JJB1
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Just spoke with Ultima and they still use stock evo lifters but I did get him then to cut me a deal through jireh on some 7/16 quickchange adjustable pushrods so I do not have to pull the motor ...that works for me ...just cant wait to get on the road again...
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/29/2008 7:25:10 AM
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paco
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JJB1,
Did you have to cut the oem pushrods out ? If these pushrods quiet the engine , please let me know. I will invest in a set for my bike. Do these engines have roller rockers or are they the stock type that come in OEM engines ? thanks JJB1
Goat,
The only thing i notice since i unplugged the vac line is the idle speed dropped to about 800 rpm. i just adjusted it and kept riding. I did notice that it didn't seem to rip up as quickly, but that might just be in my head....... Newnan, Ga new HD dealership is having a Dyno Shoot out today. I am getting ready to ride the ol'90 over and see how many twinkies kick my a$$.
Ya'll have a good day !
later......................................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/30/2008 1:41:01 PM
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paco
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Hey Goat,
You are right about the throttle response. the dyno shootout went.....well it went. I was against a 96" softail. have no idea what he had done to his motor. I beat him two out of three times. should have had all three, but reaction time got me on the last run. I was disappointed in the hp on the 1/4 mi runs. i averaged 85 hp on the 3 runs. i was expecting more, not what ultima advertised, but more. don't get me wrong , i still like this motor. I an still going to have it dyno tuned in the next few weeks. It 's just every place wants me to leave it and i want to be there when they do the deal. Anyway, hope you get to ride soon.
later.....................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/30/2008 6:10:26 PM
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paco
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Storm 4 U,
I totally agree with you. I wasn't expecting 115 hp, but i was expecting 90-100. Like I said this was Teresi Dyno Drags machine. A big semi with two dynos set up like a drag race. There weren't any real high numbers yesterday. There weren't but 2 -3 bikes over 100hp that i saw. There was a V-rod that didn't make but 81 hp, so go figure.
Goat,
temps were in the high 70's, scattered thunder storms. I had to wait for the truck platform to dry off before i could do my run. you are right about the torque. that's pretty much all i am interested in.
later..........................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 3/31/2008 1:57:27 PM
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Iron Rider
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The Goat: I unpacked my first 127" and dropped in with no problems went through all the prechecks and primed the oiling system. Tried to start it and she sounded funny and did not want to continue to run. After only a couple of tries I double checked the wiring on my new single fire coil...everything was good. I then decided to check the compression on and found that I had 150 on the back and Zero on the front cylinder. Checked for any stuck valves and looked at the push rods and found no problems. However I did look into the cylinder and found a whole lot of detonation holes on the top of the front piston. Strange since I only turned over the engine a few times. I called the dealer who sold me the motor who inturn called the CEO of Ulitma no questions asked I had the 2nd new motor within a week. Put this one in started it up and it works fine. I have 300 miles on motor with no problems.
I seemed to me that the 1st motor I recieved was not new although it looked it. Cylinder walls looked like mirrors (usually look like this after breakin) and I have never seen a motor with 150psi before it has even fired. I pressure checked the 2nd motor before I started it for the 1st time and I was pushing 80psi on the front and back. I figure after breaking I will be running around 150psi. I quess that is why I recieved a new motor asap with no questions asked :-)
My oil pressure is around 40psi cruising cold and drops to about 20-20 cruising when hot.
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 4/1/2008 7:01:34 AM
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paco
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Goat,
A little more info on the VOE and my inner primary leak from Hotroadking. He has had a lot of experience with the Midwest motors and has a lot of contact with different builders and with Ultima techs. heres what he said:
We had a ton of issues with cyl fit, heat etc with the Midwest 113, spent quite a while having the same discussions on VOES with Bill at Bishops, we talked about it but after talking with John and the Midwest tech warranty reps they both said to never run the VOES.
Also Midwest went to a non programmable ignition on the newer elbrutos to keep the timing pulled back and not allow changing. Just be very careful if you time the motor or let a dyno operator tune it, they'll advance the curve and give you 5 more HP but it's at the expense of the lift of the motor. So stay a little behind in the timing.
As to Inner primarys, if you're getting the leak, I'd advise you to buy a Zippers High performance inner primary bearing. It eliminates the inner race, this race can walk with high performance motors, if it walks in to the primary it cuts the seal, if it walks out it can go into the tranny seal and cause problems.
the High tq bearing eliminates the inner race, you pull it off the mainshaft and run the new bearing, much better setup. Hope this sheds a little light on the situation of the VOE . later...........................
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RE: Ultima 107" motor on a 90 model Bagger - 4/1/2008 11:06:40 AM
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Howdy
Well i was thinking about getting the Ultima 113 but after reading these postings i'm not sure now.
I check the prices on Ultima's site, what i don't understand is why are all the engines the same price..
Complete 100 CI Engine, Black Finish ... $4,295.00
Complete 113 CI Engine, Black Finish ... $4,295.00
Complete 120 CI Engine, Black Finish ... $4,295.00
Complete 127 CI Engine, Black Finish ... $4,295.00
I've alway thought that if something new comes out that's alittle biger than the last, the price is also alittle biger, that's the American way.. lol
Paco is that the price you payed for your 107 ?
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