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NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/16/2007 10:53:46 AM   
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Just a thread to keep track & discuss each win as the NE Patriots march towards the first undefeated NFL season (including the playoffs) since the '72 Dolphins. Have you seen this team & what they can do? They have absolutely no weaknesses anywhere! They are without a doubt...the greatest team ever assembled on a football field in the NFL...PERIOD. I will agree, they still have a long way to go this season & alot of games left. But if you look at their schedule, they only face 3 tough teams all season (IMO) & Dallas was one of them (who we beat by 21 points!). Next on the list is the Colts, who will give us our biggest test yet but I'm not too worried about that game. Then after that will be the Steelers, who we play at home...another 20+ point victory margin predicted.
When this season is over, the Pats will have set numerous amounts of records...most amount of points scored per game in a single season, largest margin of victory points per game, most TD passes per season by a QB, most amounts of points scored per game in the post-season, largest margin of victory points per game in the post season & yes...they will beat the old record set by the '85 Bears for the largest margin of victory points in the Super Bowl! Let's start keeping track now, shall we?...

So far...

38-14 over the Jets
38-14 over the Chargers
38-7 over the Bills
34-13 over the Bengals
34-17 over the Browns
48-27 over the Cowboys

C'mon NE fans...let's here ya? Next to get beaten up on...The Miami Dolphins!

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/16/2007 11:05:16 AM   
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I'm onboard with you. This is one of the most talented teams to date...Much better than any of the three Superbowl teams.....However, at the end of the season when everything is clinched, a 16-0 season won't be as important as resting guys and taking care of things for the playoffs.



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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/16/2007 11:28:21 AM   
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Just a thread to keep track & discuss each win as the NE Patriots march towards the first undefeated NFL season (including the playoffs) since the '72 Dolphins. Have you seen this team & what they can do? They have absolutely no weaknesses anywhere! They are without a doubt...the greatest team ever assembled on a football field in the NFL...PERIOD. I will agree, they still have a long way to go this season & alot of games left. But if you look at their schedule, they only face 3 tough teams all season (IMO) & Dallas was one of them (who we beat by 21 points!). Next on the list is the Colts, who will give us our biggest test yet but I'm not too worried about that game. Then after that will be the Steelers, who we play at home...another 20+ point victory margin predicted.
When this season is over, the Pats will have set numerous amounts of records...most amount of points scored per game in a single season, largest margin of victory points per game, most TD passes per season by a QB, most amounts of points scored per game in the post-season, largest margin of victory points per game in the post season & yes...they will beat the old record set by the '85 Bears for the largest margin of victory points in the Super Bowl! Let's start keeping track now, shall we?...

So far...

38-14 over the Jets
38-14 over the Chargers
38-7 over the Bills
34-13 over the Bengals
34-17 over the Browns
48-27 over the Cowboys

C'mon NE fans...let's here ya? Next to get beaten up on...The Miami Dolphins!


I'll go ahead and play your game.....

The last 4 teams to go 13-0 have all been AFC teams, and all lost their 14th game of the season. The Chiefs, Broncos, Chiefs, and Colts. Coincidence? Not really. 16-0 is simply not going to happen.

The Patriots really havent played anyone good this year. The Patriots have played 6 games and only TWO of them were against legitimately good teams. The Chargers, who have not resembled anything remotely close of last years team, and the Cowboys. 1 team with a record over .500, the rest are either .500 or less.

You've played 4 teams who are in the bottom 5 in defense, so I expect you to put up points. The Chicago Bears were much like this year's Cowboys. Both played a horrible game in prime time, both managed to win it, and then played the Patriots the following week. The Patriots won both games. The NFC is simply not that good and it hasnt been in years. That being said, there's no way the Patriots are going undefeated....and I'll even point to the last two years where the Colts have started out 9-0....and they're BETTER on offense then the Patriots.

In fact, the Patriots simply have had an easier schedule then the Colts....so that's why the stats look better for the Patriots. The AFC South is a combined 15-6. The AFC Least is a combined 8-15, with 6 of those wins being by the Patriots.

No weaknesses? Can you say running game? You have yet to play a team who can dish out as well as they can take. The Cowboys didnt even dress their 2nd best WR....The Colts & Steelers are more then capable of not only smacking the Patriots in the mouth, but beating them. The Patriots defense is old, and it shows late in games. The Cowboys could have been in that game if they didnt keep committing stupid penalties.

Sorry pal, but I think the Colts are going to be a lot tougher then you think.....and to overlook them is stupid. We lost several key players and starters....no problem....plug in the backups......lose a key offensive lineman??? no problem!!! plug in a rookie tackle.

The truth is, the Patriots are trying to be the Colts....and while the Patriots offense looks good.....anyone could look good playing the AFC Least and the bargain basement of the AFC North. I mean, the Browns put up

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/16/2007 12:21:28 PM   
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The truth is, the Patriots are trying to be the Colts....and while the Patriots offense looks good.....anyone could look good playing the AFC Least and the bargain basement of the AFC North. I mean, the Browns put up 50+ on the Bengals....yet the Patriots could only score 34???



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Trying to be the Colts??? HUH???
I'm not even going to begin to argue with the "book" you just wrote because it'll waste too much time & too much typing while I'm supposed to be working. So in a nutshell, NE has owned the Colts until last year & should have won that game too along with another title. Manning has always had better than average receivers & running backs, but could never get to the big game until last year. NE, however, always had mediocre-to-awful receivers & running backs, but wait...WE HAVE 3 TITLES! So what does that tell you about who the better QB is? The only thing Manning currently has over Brady is the TD pass season record, which will be SMASHED by Tom Brady at the end of this season (currently on pace to throw 50+ TD's this season!).
Running game? Morris has been running extremely well for us & Maroney should be back soon. With receivers like Moss, Stallworth & Welker, I wouldn't be too concerned about our running game if I were you come gameday!
"Colts alot tougher than I think?" How "tough" do you really think your much-different-looking-than-last-year Colts are after only beating teams like the Titans (3-2) by 2 & only beating the Texans for God's sake by 6? We're gonna make your Colts look ridiculous come 11/4 right after we get done taking care of the Dolphins & Redskins...can't wait to hear what you have to say then? Maybe "Oh, Manning had to do too many commercials over the last week...if it wasn't for that you would have only beaten us by 14 instead of 34!"



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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/16/2007 7:47:53 PM   
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The truth is, the Patriots are trying to be the Colts....and while the Patriots offense looks good.....anyone could look good playing the AFC Least and the bargain basement of the AFC North. I mean, the Browns put up 50+ on the Bengals....yet the Patriots could only score 34???



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16-0 is simply not going to happen.
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Trying to be the Colts??? HUH???
I'm not even going to begin to argue with the "book" you just wrote because it'll waste too much time & too much typing while I'm supposed to be working. So in a nutshell, NE has owned the Colts until last year & should have won that game too along with another title. Manning has always had better than average receivers & running backs, but could never get to the big game until last year. NE, however, always had mediocre-to-awful receivers & running backs, but wait...WE HAVE 3 TITLES! So what does that tell you about who the better QB is? The only thing Manning currently has over Brady is the TD pass season record, which will be SMASHED by Tom Brady at the end of this season (currently on pace to throw 50+ TD's this season!).
Running game? Morris has been running extremely well for us & Maroney should be back soon. With receivers like Moss, Stallworth & Welker, I wouldn't be too concerned about our running game if I were you come gameday!
"Colts alot tougher than I think?" How "tough" do you really think your much-different-looking-than-last-year Colts are after only beating teams like the Titans (3-2) by 2 & only beating the Texans for God's sake by 6? We're gonna make your Colts look ridiculous come 11/4 right after we get done taking care of the Dolphins & Redskins...can't wait to hear what you have to say then? Maybe "Oh, Manning had to do too many commercials over the last week...if it wasn't for that you would have only beaten us by 14 instead of 34!"



The Patriots are trying to be the Colts as in they're trying to win by throwing the ball downfield and scoring a ton of points. That's a very favorable comparison to the Colts for the last few years. Personally, I dont see anything wrong with it. In fact, last year the Colts started playing like the Patriots of a few years ago....hard hitting, smart defense, and forcing turnovers.

Owned the Colts until last year.....hmmmm Colts are now 3-0 in the last 3 years vs. the Patriots.....twice in 06, and once in 05. Yes, the Patriots owned the Colts prior to that.....but so did the Steelers for a long time...some teams just seem to have your/my teams number. Case in point, Miami always seems to beat New England.....even when they suck ass... How hard is it to beat the Jets or the Bills or the Browns or the Bengals....not very....as evidenced by their records...

The Colts are ALOT tougher this year then last year.....and the stats dont lie. Not to mention, we're playing with like 5 new starters on defense. It's really sad to see your head swollen this badly, but it will be fun to see it popped.

As for the Brady vs. Manning comparison......you're kidding me right? Just because you win a SB doesnt make you better then another player. Is Dan Marino any less a great QB then Brett Favre or John Elway? I'd think not....but apparently you are one of those people who thinks that because they win a title they're better.

1.) Tom Brady is a great QB, one of the top 5 in the league....no doubt. He's efficient, makes good plays, and for the most part doesnt make stupid decisions. HOWEVER, he's never won the SB on his own. He's never had to carry his team. Sure, he's made great plays, and he's moved his team down field....but at the end of the day....he wasnt the one winning those SB's......his kicker was....

2.) In the 3 SB wins for New England, their defense was ranked in th

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/16/2007 9:02:22 PM   
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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/16/2007 9:16:43 PM   
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It's really sad to see your head swollen this badly, but it will be fun to see it popped...Is Dan Marino any less a great QB then Brett Favre or John Elway?...Tom Brady...he's never won the SB on his own. He's never had to carry his team. Sure, he's made great plays, and he's moved his team down field....but at the end of the day....he wasnt the one winning those SB's......his kicker was....


Man, you've got way too much time on your hands to be typing up that much space & reading that many football team/player stat books! The only thing that will be "popped" on 11/4 is your ridicuolously goofy, Elmer Fudd-like QB by our defense over & over again. Man I can't wait to hear your response after that game!

Last time I checked, Brady was the SB MVP for 2 out of 3 of those games...yah, Vinatieri won 2 of them via his foot but without a pretty good QB to lead the way for the previous 59 1/2 minutes of the game your not going to get a shot a kicking yourself to victory.

DAN MARINO SUCKED!!! He was always an incredibly overated QB because of his good looks & where he played. He was a guy who was always surrounded by pretty good teams, with a HOF coach like Don Shula & players like Mark Clayton, Mark Duper, Zack Thomas, Jason Taylor, McDuffie & Abdul-Jabbar...etc. Even with players like these & a long-azz career of 16 years the guy still couldn't get it done!!! Give me a break...he was a freekin' panzee who was a better actor than a QB for cryin' out loud (and he sucks at announcing too)! With all your football knowledge, don't you know by now...big-time players are only remembered for winning the big-time games..period. History doesn't remember 2nd place. Manning will be doing alot of this pictured below on 11/4...can't wait! Hope your still around to reply to this thread then...




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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/17/2007 4:31:19 AM   
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I dont read all the stat books, I'm just a football nut....

I seem to recall alot of Bears fans talking trash too.....it was funny then...and its funny now. I expect another classic game like the AFC Championship last year. Lots of offense, lots of hard hitting defense..and I wouldnt be surprised at all if it goes down to the wire.

Pretty good QB's.....do you realize that there have been more average to mediocre QB's in the SB then there have been great QB's?????

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/17/2007 4:55:19 AM   
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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/17/2007 5:33:40 AM   
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do you realize that there have been more average to mediocre QB's in the SB then there have been great QB's?????


That's a ridiculous statment bud...the NFL Championship game showboats more average QB's than great QB's??? Think about that statement for a minute??? No, I've never "realized" this because it's completely absurd. Just in the past 10-15 years it's included guys like...

Manning- 1 Ring
Brady- 3 Rings 
Roethlisberger- 1 Ring
Elway- 2 Rings 
Favre- 1 Ring 
Aikman- 3 Rings 
Young- 1 Ring 
...(notice Marino's name isn't listed here).

I wouldn't exactly call these guys "average to mediocre"???

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/17/2007 6:52:43 AM   
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do you realize that there have been more average to mediocre QB's in the SB then there have been great QB's?????


That's a ridiculous statment bud...the NFL Championship game showboats more average QB's than great QB's??? Think about that statement for a minute??? No, I've never "realized" this because it's completely absurd. Just in the past 10-15 years it's included guys like...

Manning- 1 Ring
Brady- 3 Rings 
Roethlisberger- 1 Ring
Elway- 2 Rings 
Favre- 1 Ring 
Aikman- 3 Rings 
Young- 1 Ring 
...(notice Marino's name isn't listed here).

I wouldn't exactly call these guys "average to mediocre"???


Yet, that list goes back as far as 1994....which is roughly 14 years ago...and that's only 12 rings out of the last 14-15 SB's....what about the guys who played for the opposing team? Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Drew Bledsoe, Matt Hasselback, Kerry Collins to just name a few...

I doubt very much that you would argue that Dilfer was a great QB. My point is simply that there have been more average QB's playing in the SB then great QB's.....and that 7 QB's account for HALF of the SB wins....

Bradshaw = 4 SB rings (in my opinion, the worst QB to win a SB)
Montana = 4 SB rings
Aikman = 3 SB rings
Brady = 3 SB rings
Elway = 2 SB rings (played in 5 SB's)
Starr = 2 SB rings
Bob Griese = 2 SB rings


I also have to say this here.....I dont care how great a QB is, if his defense cant make stops and get the opposing team off the field....he's going to lose more often then he's going to win...That's why for a long time the Patriots were simply better then the Colts. The Colts Defense never made stops, let the Patriots have possessions of 7 min or longer per drive......it's basic football 101...

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/17/2007 5:27:50 PM   
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My point is simply that there have been more average QB's playing in the SB then great QB's.....and that 7 QB's account for HALF of the SB wins....


...and my point is that's exactly why only the SB winners will be remembered, not guys who played 16 years with nothing to show for it but a few passing records...sooner or later records get broken but rings are never taken away.
Even it's been extremely fun, I'm not going to argue with you anymore & just let my Pats do the talkin' on the playing field. You'll definately be hearing back from me on 11/4 though...that's for damn sure!

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/18/2007 8:45:02 AM   
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Food for thought...how they rank


Scoring
Patriots - 1st
Colts - 4th

Total Offense
Patriots - 1st
Colts - 3rd (despite playing better teams)

Rushing Offense
Colts - 5th
Patriots - 7th

Passing Offense
Patriots - 1st
Colts - 7th

Total Defense
Patriots - 2nd
Colts - 5th

Rushing Defense
Patriots - 5th (Has played 1 team in the top 20 in total rushing YPG (Chargers), and thats only because they've had 400 yards rushing in their last 2 games.)
Colts - 13th

Passing Defense
Colts - 3rd
Patriots - 4th

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/18/2007 9:10:11 AM   
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...Man, you keep pullin' me back in! 

More food for thought...and since your Colts have only played 5 games thus far, to be fair I only used the Pats last 5 games played as well.

Combined Colts opponent wins 13
Combined Pats opponent wins   13

Colts avg margin of victory        15.2
Pats avg margin of victory          22.2

Colts avg points scored              32.8
Pats avg points scored                38.4

Should be fun!

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/19/2007 10:52:43 AM   
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Just thought you guys would enjoy this reply I posted on another thread. It really belongs here...
 
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Hate to say this bud, but the greatest team ever assembled was the 89 Niners.....and still is to this day....What the Patriots are currently doing is definitely coming close to that team......but we'll see at the end of the season. You simply crack me up.....because this team isnt dominant. How can you be dominant when you've pretty much played cream puffs? I'm a diehard Colts fan, and you already know this....but I'll use my own team as my point.

 
'07 Pats Vs. '89 49ers...
 
Just a few quick analysis'...

Montana threw 26 TD's that year. That's 1.6 per game. Brady already has 21 through 6 games, which is 3.5 avg per game...meaning he's on pace to throw 56 TD's! (Shattering Manning's record by the way) (ADVANTAGE PATS)

Montana threw for 3,521 yds that year. Brady has already thrown for 1771, which is 295.1 avg per game...meaning he's on pace to throw for 4,722 yds this year! (ADVANTAGE PATS)

The 49ers avgeraged 27.6 points per game that year. The Pats have scored 230 points so far, which is 38.3 avg per game. This means they're on pace to score 613 points total this year...which would be 38.3 avg points per game! (ADAVANTAGE PATS)

Rice caught 17 TD's that year. Moss already has 8, which is 1.3 avg per game. This means that Moss is on pace to catch 21 TD's this year! (ADVANTAGE PATS)

Rice had 1,483 total receiving yards that year, which is 92.6 avg per game. Moss is averaging 101.7 per game. This means he's on pace for a total of 1,627 receiving yards! (ADVANTAGE PATS)

The 49ers gave up a total of 253 points that year to opponents, which is 15.8 avg per game. That Pats have given up 92 points so far, which is 15.3 avg per game. This means their on pace to give up a total of 245.3 points to opponents this year! (ADVANTAGE PATS)
 
Oh...and the 49ers lost 2 games that year...the Pats won't! (ADVANTAGE PATS)

*Of course these final numbers are based on what should happen & not on what has happened...yet, but just thought you'd like to see where my Pats are heading in terms of comparing them to your '89 49ers.

I could go into more detail about each team's running game, but Craig only rushed for 1,054 that year...averaging only 3.9 yds per carry which isn't at all that difficult to mimic or surpass. Now do I have to run the #'s on the '06 Colts Vs. '07 Pats???...Don't mess with me Boy!


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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/19/2007 11:52:52 AM   
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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/19/2007 12:05:25 PM   
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...no, THIS guy's a joke!










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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/19/2007 12:33:58 PM   
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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/22/2007 7:59:22 AM   
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Latest victim...Miami

7-0

# of TD's until Brady passes Manning's record...22!
 
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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/23/2007 4:40:17 AM   
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Are you seriously bragging about beating Miami? I mean, the way they're playing right now.....even Stanford could beat them....

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/23/2007 6:57:03 AM   
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Hey,
 
a win is a win is a win...

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/23/2007 12:24:15 PM   
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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/23/2007 12:41:09 PM   
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Not when Coach HOODY is cheating.........


Every team "cheats" in one way or another...we just happen to get caught. What we did was wrong & embarrassing considering the caliber of this team this year, but we aren't the first team to do it nor will we be the last.

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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/26/2007 7:10:19 AM   
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Not when Coach HOODY is cheating.........


Every team "cheats" in one way or another...we just happen to get caught. What we did was wrong & embarrassing considering the caliber of this team this year, but we aren't the first team to do it nor will we be the last.


You're right,WHY with the talent they have would you friggin cheat and bring shame on a team that (You say) is the greatest team ever assembled.Now if N E wins the big one this year,it will have an * near it and the team will not get full recognition (in some eyes) because of the whole cheating thing and who will know if they done it straight up or if they just learned how to cheat without getting caught. N E is a great team but not the best ever,I think that one goes to the 72 Dolphins.I hope the Cowboys get another shot at them so they can at least have a chance to prove that they better than they showed  the last  time the met.Brady is a great QB but so is Manning.11/4 can't get here fast enough.Not for nothing but I predict a Colts win on that day.I respect the hell out of your support for your team but some of the words you've said here could be damn hard to swallow if they lose.


Go Cowboys!


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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/26/2007 10:12:02 AM   
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I hope the Cowboys get another shot at them so they can at least have a chance to prove that they better than they showed  the last  time the met


You can put whatever * you want in front of the Pats if they win it all this year...I don't think any Pats fans will care as we all watch that 4th banner being raised at Gillette Stadium next year. Yes, it was wrong & embarrassing as I said & if this would have happened to your team you'd be defending them to the fullest extent as I & all the rest of NE fans have done.
Your Cowboys are a really good team & have come a long way over the past few years, but as your own head coach said, they're "not on the same level with the Pats" by no means. And if they played each other again they'd get SHALACKED like they did the first time by atleast another 21 points or worse. I already compared this year's Pats to the '89 49er's (earlier in this thread...read it) & when I get some free-time I'll do the same with the '72 Dolphins but I guarentee you, the numbers won't be even close to what this NE team has done so far this year.
As far as the Colts, your one of the extremely few (other than the die-hard Colts fans themselves that can't accept that the Pats are better than the Colts this year) who thinks that the Colts will beat the Pats on 11/4. I also can't wait for the game myself because when it's over & the Pats have beat them by atleast 10 points (yup, that's my prediction) I'm going to go back to every member of this thread who has said the same thing your saying & rub our win in each of your faces. Cowboys got a longgggggggg way to go before they start rippin' up the NFL & beating teams by an average of around 30 points per game!

GO PATS!!!


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RE: NE Patriots Official Undefeated Season Thread - 10/26/2007 12:04:52 PM   
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N E is a great team but not the best ever,I think that one goes to the 72 Dolphins.


Well, here's the numbers... Dolphins had a little better running game & defense, but QB comparison & power of our offense is a no brainer I think. Would be one hell of a fight!

'07 Pats Vs. ’72 Dolphins.