Has anybody shot a German Luger
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/1/2008 10:45:33 PM
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Clammy
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I have a 1942 numbers matching (except for the replaced barrel) BYF Luger. Unfortunately thanks to Canada's retarded gun laws the original 4" barrel had to be replaced with a 6", which, funny enough, makes it more accurate at longer ranges, hehehe... a very nice shooter - very smooth, but it's REALLY picky about what I feed it. If I use anything other than 115gr FMJ round nose bullets, it jams.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/1/2008 10:59:05 PM
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I have seen, handled and shot a few Luger's over the years and they all seem to have the same love for full power FMJ loadings. The high angle of the bullet to breech and the toggle action seems to be the main reasons as anything less than full loads or FMJ bullets don't either operate the action fast enough. Or in the case of the non FMJ's they don't have the shape and length to guide the round into the chamber as it comes out of the steep angle of the magazine.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/2/2008 9:29:14 AM
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My Grandfather brought one back with him from WW2. I shot it once. It was supposed to be mine when he passed on but families go crazy when someone dies and I didn't want to lower myself to their level. MY mistake.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/2/2008 10:54:48 AM
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I have one, never ran a round through it, and have a Nambo also never fired, although I have about 75 rounds, not sure if they even work but kind of fun to look at. My father was a Master Gunsmith, I remember he had a box full of luger parts maybe ten guns total, give or take. I would spend all day putting some together and then he would make me take them back apart, seems they were worth more for parts in those days.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/2/2008 1:29:35 PM
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A friend has a WWII Luger. I've shot it a few times. Very accurate. However, the cost of manufacture doomed its design, being replaced by the Germans with the P-38, which was (is) a nice weapon.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/2/2008 7:11:12 PM
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I like the looks of the 6" barrel. I believe that Luger used to make an artillary model that had a longer barrel. I saw a person once that had a big collection of Lugers. Did you know that at one time, 2 Lugers were made for testing. One was tested and the other got lost somewhere I think.
What made the Luger unique was the fact that it was chambered in 45 acp. I saw a program about it and they actually shot it. It was worth a tremendous amount of money. quote:
ORIGINAL: Clammy
I have a 1942 numbers matching (except for the replaced barrel) BYF Luger. Unfortunately thanks to Canada's retarded gun laws the original 4" barrel had to be replaced with a 6", which, funny enough, makes it more accurate at longer ranges, hehehe... a very nice shooter - very smooth, but it's REALLY picky about what I feed it. If I use anything other than 115gr FMJ round nose bullets, it jams.
Cheers!
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/2/2008 8:46:46 PM
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Citoriplus
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Did you know that at one time, 2 Lugers were made for testing. One was tested and the other got lost somewhere I think.
There were two custom made by the German Mauser plant in .45ACP for the original Army trials back in 1909 or so when the Army was looking for a replacement for the standard issue .38cal. revolvers. They had found that they didn't quite measure up in the Southern Philippines against the Moro Indian’s fighting the US Army (the Indians were fanatical Muslim’s, sound familiar?).
As a temporary fix for the problem the Army had shipped over a bunch of older 1873 single action Colt Peacemakes in .45Colt and they had quote “a marked reduction in the number of headless officers”.
The Thompson Commission was empanelled and assigned to investigate the problem and it concluded that the Army should not accept a weapon with a bore of less than .40cal. for handguns. The resulting trials had pitted a number of different weapons both foreign and domestic against each other. This included a pair of Luger’s chambered in the mandatory .45ACP and had a unique Eagle stamped on top of the frame above the breach end of the barrel. And your right, both were used for testing but sometime during the testing, one was lost, I believe that the surviving gun is now in a museum somewhere.
BTW As beautifully made as they were the guns failed to pass the testing because they were TOO well made. The close tolerances of the toggle action and slide are very susceptible to jamming when subjected to dirt and mud. It also needed a large number of machine tools to make and that made them harder and more expensive to produce in quantity.
The Colt .45 designed by John Browning on the other hand needed fewer machine tools so it cost less while still performing all of the tests in an acceptable amnor. So with several suggested modifications it was eventually adopted over the Luger by the Army in 1911 and given the designation M-1911.
Now some years ago, about 25 or so, there was a custom gunsmith who was making .45ACP Luger’s from old guns. He would cut two old frames and magazines lengthwise and weld them together so they would be wide enough to accept the .45 cases. Then he made everything including the barrels so the guns looked and functioned exactly like the originals, except that they use .45ACP ammo instead of the more normal 7.65mm or 9mm rounds. I don’t have to tell you that they were going for something like $2000 each, and this was back over 20 years ago. I can’t imagine how much they are going for these days. Assuming you could find someone willing to part with it.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/2/2008 8:51:44 PM
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Thanks for refreshing my memory. I like to watch the History channel when they talk about guns and I remember seeing someone making Lugers by hand. I admire his skill. quote:
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ORIGINAL: SPRINGER
Did you know that at one time, 2 Lugers were made for testing. One was tested and the other got lost somewhere I think.
There were two custom made by the German Mauser plant in .45ACP for the original Army trials back in 1909 or so when the Army was looking for a replacement for the standard issue .38cal. revolvers. They had found that they didn't quite measure up in the Southern Philippines against the Moro Indian’s fighting the US Army (the Indians were fanatical Muslim’s, sound familiar?).
As a temporary fix for the problem the Army had shipped over a bunch of older 1873 single action Colt Peacemakes in .45Colt and they had quote “a marked reduction in the number of headless officers”.
The Thompson Commission was empanelled and assigned to investigate the problem and it concluded that the Army should not accept a weapon with a bore of less than .40cal. for handguns. The resulting trials had pitted a number of different weapons both foreign and domestic against each other. This included a pair of Luger’s chambered in the mandatory .45ACP and had a unique Eagle stamped on top of the frame above the breach end of the barrel. And your right, both were used for testing but sometime during the testing, one was lost, I believe that the surviving gun is now in a museum somewhere.
BTW As beautifully made as they were the guns failed to pass the testing because they were TOO well made. The close tolerances of the toggle action and slide are very susceptible to jamming when subjected to dirt and mud. It also needed a large number of machine tools to make and that made them harder and more expensive to produce in quantity.
The Colt .45 designed by John Browning on the other hand needed fewer machine tools so it cost less while still performing all of the tests in an acceptable amnor. So with several suggested modifications it was eventually adopted over the Luger by the Army in 1911 and given the designation M-1911.
Now some years ago, about 25 or so, there was a custom gunsmith who was making .45ACP Luger’s from old guns. He would cut two old frames and magazines lengthwise and weld them together so they would be wide enough to accept the .45 cases. Then he made everything including the barrels so the guns looked and functioned exactly like the originals, except that they use .45ACP ammo instead of the more normal 7.65mm or 9mm rounds. I don’t have to tell you that they were going for something like $2000 each, and this was back over 20 years ago. I can’t imagine how much they are going for these days. Assuming you could find someone willing to part with it.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/3/2008 10:14:09 PM
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Springer: They have been surpassed technically by most modern autoloaders. IMHO, They should be relegated to museums. ......... BC
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/3/2008 11:01:56 PM
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Springer: They have been surpassed technically by most modern autoloaders. IMHO, They should be relegated to museums. ......... BC
If its a true matched number gun that's at least pre-war, your probably right.
But they were in production as late as the early 80's and if you have a non matched number gun or a later model. I don't see why shooting it a bit would hurt anything. Besides they are fun to use, even if the action is bit antiquated, it still works just fine.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/4/2008 8:54:05 AM
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That's one of the things that I noticed about my Luger when I bought it, all the numbers match, it isn't a parts gun.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/4/2008 8:56:38 AM
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I understand what you say. Sometimes I just enjoy shooting a piece of history, that is why I like shooting my Colt, Sharps and my 86 win, just to name a few. quote:
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Springer: They have been surpassed technically by most modern autoloaders. IMHO, They should be relegated to museums. ......... BC
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/4/2008 3:55:35 PM
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I love mine. It's a 1990's stainless production. The grips are ivory.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/4/2008 6:20:13 PM
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I love mine. It's a 1990's stainless production. The grips are ivory.
Not much for ivory, but I would love to get one in stainless, are they still in production and if so who's making/marketing them?
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/7/2008 2:01:14 AM
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Several years ago, a friend of mine at work needed some money and offered to sell me his Luger. After I heard what he wanted for it, I calmly got the money and walked away with a big smile on my face. You see, he didn't know what the value was and I forgot to tell him.  I've put a few rounds through it and I like how it seems to be a good pointer and nothing like shooting a piece of history. It has a 4" barrel and it even came with a holster. I don't take it out much anymore, but I sure am glad that I bought it.
I don't rip off friends, usually.
This said, I shot both swiss and german lugers, both 7,65 and 9mm. I like the more the fuller handle version, because the slimmer seems to want to slip out of my grip. They have very high intrinsic accuracy, but they are hard to shoot accurately, at least for me. Guess the ergonomy is just not suited to my hand.
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RE: Has anybody shot a German Luger - 2/7/2008 11:52:28 AM
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I didn't rip him off, I gave him exactly what he asked for. He was happy and so was I. Even to the day that he died, he would still ask me if I still had it and if I was taking good care of it. He was glad that I got it because he knew that I would take care of it and not abuse it. We were friends tll the day that he died.quote:
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ORIGINAL: SPRINGER
Several years ago, a friend of mine at work needed some money and offered to sell me his Luger. After I heard what he wanted for it, I calmly got the money and walked away with a big smile on my face. You see, he didn't know what the value was and I forgot to tell him. I've put a few rounds through it and I like how it seems to be a good pointer and nothing like shooting a piece of history. It has a 4" barrel and it even came with a holster. I don't take it out much anymore, but I sure am glad that I bought it.
I don't rip off friends, usually.
This said, I shot both swiss and german lugers, both 7,65 and 9mm. I like the more the fuller handle version, because the slimmer seems to want to slip out of my grip. They have very high intrinsic accuracy, but they are hard to shoot accurately, at least for me. Guess the ergonomy is just not suited to my hand.
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