I thought this would be a good place for us shovel head owners to list all of the after market part you have tried to install on your Classic only to find for one reason or several reasons they don't fit.
Lets list the year and model of the bike
the part
manufacture of the part
and where you bought it
experience you had either trying to make it fit or returning the part.
parts for 1980 "80" FXWG
I can start right off with inner primary's tried 2 from V twin with V twin label
chrome and finish was fair to poor
bearing support for trans was to small either because of chrome flashed in the bearing area or machined wrong. Solenoid hole also small. had to tap all threads before trying to install.
would have had to relieve all of the mounting holes to engine case for fit.
neither one was acceptable returned one for credit the other the customer broke it so no return on that one.
Jiffy kick stand kit for my 68 Harley FLH
V Twin part from V twin
Chrome nice
the stop or washer on the bottom area of the stand arm was welded to low making nothing fit correctly and the stop tab would not engage.
remedy cut the weld off the washer on the arm move it up 3/8 of an inch and re-weld.
alternate was to send it back for return or exchange and take the chance of getting one in the same condition. By the time I paid freight I decided to simply fix it since it was for my bike I can live with a little burnt chrome where it isn't seen. next time I have some chroming done it will go.
next anyone?
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1968 FLH owned for 30 years
2002 FXSTDI
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I have lots of stories about stuff that didn't work as advertised.
Since you mentioned inner primaries, I bought one from Jireh recently that was just barely useable. I wanted a heavy duty one from Cal Products but they stopped making metal parts and I didn't know that Primo/Rivera sold them now. I had to modify that inner primary in several spots (including tapping out the holes) to get it to work.
I make stuff for my bike (brackets, adapters, sheet metal parts, etc.) rather than drop money on something I will wind up modifying anyway.
I'm sure you do too.
Wish I had the time and skills to build more parts for my bikes Magawatt.
Sifton lifter blocks and roller kit for 68 FLH no adjusting screws or lock nuts included
V Twin sent me them as a shortage
Chrome on lifter blocks fair to good.
pushrods a little small in diameter but seem to be ok so far.
Paughco true duals wrong heat shields for 68 FLH packaged incorrectly.
had to send back shields @ my expense for replacement with correct ones..
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1968 FLH owned for 30 years
2002 FXSTDI
I have another story...well, maybe just a generalization about chrome stuff. Back when I thought more highly of chrome, many, many times I had to file the holes in brackets to get 'em to fit, which trashed the chrome, of course. Also, many of the brackets for the doodads and gizmos I tried were WAY too thin or poorly designed to tolerate the way Harleys shake stuff. I am now much more happy with semigloss black paint for a finish on a lot of stuff and as I said I make the brackets so they are stout enough to take the unrelenting vibration and they are just a spray can away from being cherried out if they get scuffed.
One thing about your pushrods; the fact that they are small in diameter is not necessarily a bad thing. If they are strong enough to do the job, they are a good thing. I have seen many of the aluminum and even one set of steel pushrods that tap against the pushrod tubes and make ticking noises that the lifters or rocker shafts get blamed for.
My first Shovel was a '66. I like the look of the early Shovels.
I'm trying to remember, the '68 had an aluminum bodied oil pump as the original didn't it?
Yes my 68 has IMO one of the best looking oil pumps made by harley. nice and smooth lines and a breeze to polish up and keep clean.
I am not 100% positive yet but I will know today if I will be adding my electric start BDL belt drive to the list of parts that don't fit!!
I suspected the clearance between the bendix drive and ring gear was a little close but wasn't sure so called and talked with Dan @ BLD he said what I had for clearance was fine it was the bendix drive that was the problem. well along with installing a new bendix I installed a high torque starter for some more insurance my 93 shovel would start. After installation of both along with making some nice 4 gauge cables and also grounding the starter I still had a clunk and very slow cranking of the engine. BA HUM BUG![:@] I dug out my old chain drive set up had kept stashed for years wiped off the dust and cleaned up a little surface rust and started to compare the clutch drums to find the BDL is configured a little differently. Bolted the stock pulley chain and drum on and now have a good 1/4 inch clearance between the bendix when in the resting position. with the belt drive drum it was much closer. I'm going to go take another look at it this morning it was after 8 when I got out of the garage last night and I was a bit disgusted so figured I had better give it up for the night.
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1968 FLH owned for 30 years
2002 FXSTDI
“I have lots of stories about stuff that didn't work as advertised.
Since you mentioned inner primaries, I bought one from Jireh recently that was just barely useable. I wanted a heavy duty one from Cal Products but they stopped making metal parts and I didn't know that Primo/Rivera sold them now. I had to modify that inner primary in several spots (including tapping out the holes) to get it to work. “
Back in 02 I was putting in a Pro clutch and hay this is the time, finally I will get the inter-primary chromed !! I sent my stock inter to Brown’s chroming they sent it back, needs to be welded, damn I and the dealer miss the hair-line crack, I am lucky,have a Cal Products inter, in the ad for it in JP it said, it’s 3lbs more weight than stock HD, cost $336.00, it was very heavy duty cross bracing and much thicker, I sent that out to be chromed, good thing I got it back then, who knows how much of a beating a stock unit would take with my new engine and tranny, sometimes it dose work out and few of my friends thought I was nuts to spend that kind of money on that primary, at least before they saw it.
Remember my stock inter wasn’t that clean when it was sent out, it’s after Brown’s dip it, getting ready for chrome process.
Take care, and thanks for the update you can still get this from Rivera.
cj_slowdown,
Are you still running the Primo/Rivera Pro clutch? If so, ya got anything bad to say about it? I am trying to decide between the P/R Pro and the Barnett Scorpion. Anything you know about either one of 'em might help me.
Re the primary case: Now THAT is what I'm talkin' about! I want one of those heavy duty cases someday. I won't get it chromed, but I'll polish it up. Right now I am waiting for my tax return so I can get the new starter (like yours except black) and whatever clutch I finally decide on.
Rodney,
What?!! People get disgusted working on their Harleys?!! I know what you are talking about.
I ran a BDL belt drive for an enclosed primary, P/N EVB-3T-4 68-45. Is that the one you are using? If so, what clutch came with the kit?
I went into a rant under another thread called "Dry Primary??" in the Custom section of this forum recently. The bottom line is I am DONE with belt drives. At least, for now. I gotta say, BDL did their best to help me with the problems but, unless they have already come up with some fixes, I believe there are design flaws that need addressing. Good luck with yours.
“Are you still running the Primo/Rivera Pro clutch? If so, ya got anything bad to say about it? I am trying to decide between the P/R Pro and the Barnett Scorpion. Anything you know about either one of 'em might help me. “
When I first install the Rivera and took it out, I was with a buddy, he has LR shovel ’84 final belt drive, I jump on it, damn they said ‘81 will have I believe 300 % more friction than stock, (goes to show you how bad stock clutches were in '81)yeah I thought a selling point, no it flew! For what it had, hay not that I had a rocket (little over stock) engine at that time, but there was no doubt a big difference, no sooner than my buddy took it out for a ride, he ordered a unit for his ’84, the only thing I can say, we never had a problem with it, but years later when I put in the new S&S engine, I didn’t take any chances I replace the friction dics pack (Kevlar) there was some wear but not all that much, but I didn’t want to take the damn thing apart again say two years down the road, so I replace them, I do really like the clutch but Barnett makes a damn good one as well, either one, is a go over stock !!
“Re the primary case: Now THAT is what I'm talkin' about! I want one of those heavy duty cases someday. I won't get it chromed, but I'll polish it up. Right now I am waiting for my tax return so I can get the new starter (like yours except black) and whatever clutch I finally decide on.”
I couldn’t believe the difference in them side by side, it’s is night and day, you know the “it’s 3 lbs heavier” man wait till you pick them up together, I said what you just said “Now THAT is what I'm talkin' about!” : - ) and I guess you saw the difference in wall thickness ? I knew I had a winner when I seen all that bracing and thickness comparing to a stock unit, it’s not cheap for sure, but I am glad I got it. BTW- I had a dry primary, with the Cal inter and Pro clutch, I turn it into wet, I called Rivera talked to one of the engineer types, I ask how much fluid to use in the primary ? he said (½) one-half quart, don’t use what HD says One quart ? no just use a half a quart, ok. Yeah, no problems at all installing that inter-primary everything just fit perfectly together.
You won’t be sorry about that starter, I didn’t get a chrome one I got black also, remember change those stock battery cables (- Neg also) from the starter to the solenoid to the battery, you really need to do this, I am glad I listen to that guy who worked for my dealer I went too, high output starters, they do DRAW ! I check it out myself with a AMP gauge it draws 225 amps on average, (reg HD big twin draw approx. 160 to 180 amps) they are smaller in size but almost have twice the power !
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cj_slowdown,
Does the P/R Pro clutch hub use the stock HD clutch hub nut? If it has it's own proprietary clutch hub nut, does it use the stock clutch pushrod seal?
cj_slowdown,
Does the P/R Pro clutch hub use the stock HD clutch hub nut? If it has it's own proprietory clutch hub nut, does it use the stock clutch pushrod seal?
As I remember with mine, I used the stock clutch hub nut, and used a stock clutch pushrod seal, I think, that’s “think” that P/R would enclose or at least warn a buyer in their cat if you needed a proprietory anything with their clutches, I believe mine was a model PC-1000 and bill used a PC2000 or 3000 model, that was only a 3 model year difference. I am sure their web site would tell you ?
After Market parts that don't fit Shovelheads
