RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 7:43:16 AM
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grumpy irish again
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I have been riding for about 50 years and never taken any riding
sourse however I do believe in them and have told people that have ask
if they should get thier kid a bike that yes they should but only after he/she has passed a course and gotten thier licence
as for a law not a bad idea to only well to people that can ACTUALLY ride...
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 7:44:03 AM
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landest
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As I stated in my post, not a bad idea for a newbie rider. But I dont agree that forcing a loan co-signer, or a co-owner who does not even ride, to complete a $200 safety course and get an M classification is reasonable.
Better yet, take it one step further and require all first time applicants for a D.L. to complete a 40 hour safe drivers course.
This will make people learn to drive, rather than just learning to pass a test.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 8:13:57 AM
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Biggol
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ORIGINAL: wingnutt
As I stated in my post, not a bad idea for a newbie rider. But I dont agree that forcing a loan co-signer, or a co-owner who does not even ride, to complete a $200 safety course and get an M classification is reasonable.
Better yet, take it one step further and require all first time applicants for a D.L. to complete a 40 hour safe drivers course.
This will make people learn to drive, rather than just learning to pass a test.
+1
I can agree with all of this too.
Having to fork over extra $ does suck, but the MSF class provides the bikes under the costs. Additionally, they tell you when you pass the test: "You are now a qualified PARKING LOT RIDER." Once you get the basics down you should proceed at you own speed. Specifically for what one of the above posters said, the 125-150cc bike is probably notthe bike you'll be motoring on every day. Learn your bike using the skills the MSF taught you.
Could really help motorcycle awareness down here.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 8:18:09 AM
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I think it's a pretty good idea myself, I've always thought that you shouldn't be able to buy a motorcycle if you don't have a motorcycle endorsement.
+1 Exactly
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 8:55:18 AM
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I live in Orlando fl. A couple of years ago, just before Bike week, a young guy walks into a metric dealership and puts down the $$$ for the one of the fastest sport bikes they had. Had never ridden before, had no training or M endorsement on his license. They let him ride away. Less that 1 MILEdown the road, the kid died. Was he responsible for his own actions? Yes. BUT, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me to make sure a person is qualified to operate the machinery that you are selling them. I would not have wanted to be the guy who sold him that bike.
SB
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 9:04:40 AM
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DannyZ71
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ORIGINAL: Seminolebagger
I live in Orlando fl. A couple of years ago, just before Bike week, a young guy walks into a metric dealership and puts down the $$$ for the one of the fastest sport bikes they had. Had never ridden before, had no training or M endorsement on his license. They let him ride away. Less that 1 MILEdown the road, the kid died. Was he responsible for his own actions? Yes. BUT, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me to make sure a person is qualified to operate the machinery that you are selling them. I would not have wanted to be the guy who sold him that bike.
SB
While I certainly understand what you are saying, I respectfully disagree to a point. Should a salesman make sure you have taken a safe hunter or other firearms course before he sells you a gun? Or driver's ed before selling you a car? What about how to take care of a house before selling one to you? Are they going to make it where a dealership is like a convenience store and send in undercover cops that don't have an M endorsement to see if they sell him a bike? And if they do, they get fined?
It's not the dealers responsibility, and it shouldn't be. That said, I wouldn't have wanted to be the salesman that sold the kid the bike either. And I probably would have tried to talk him into something more suited a beginner. But if that's what the kid demanded, you have to sell it to him or risk losing your job.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 9:05:44 AM
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Nomad X
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Shet,when I stared riding there was no such thing as a mc endorsement. Late 70's
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 9:07:05 AM
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kiltiemon
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Excellent!
As an experienced competitive cyclist (pedal type) with competition experience both on the road and the track, massed starts and time trials, singles AND tandems, and (on the road, of course) trikes... I had a fair degree of abililty on two and three wheels!
The class I took for certification was entered with a degree of humbleness... because though I knew that the physics were going to be the same... the difference in mass, application of power, and control of inertia was going to be involving much different levels of energy.
125 cc's is small by our standards... but the dynamics are essentially the same as I've found on my Wide Glide...! In fact, I believe the Wide Glide is immenently EASIER to control than that nasty, skitterish little buzz bomb that I was trying to ingratiate myself to during the course.
The trainer bike drove home the point of respecting power (however small it may be)... and though the physics of the Wide Glide (lower center of gravity, etc.) were far more friendly that the trainer bike. The trainer bike taught me to tread lightly (power wise) with the Harley. Well worth the money for the course!
Yes... There should be a similar requirement for ALL drivers! I support THAT as well!!!
Jim aka kiltiemon (the wise man keeps in mind all that he does NOT know)
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 9:13:02 AM
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Stupidity made into stupid laws by stupid people supported by more stupid people.
Gee. I have been safely riding a motorcycle for 20 years and never took an MSF course. I don't even think they had them.
I have been safely driving a semi for 15 years and never went to school to learn how to do it.
I learned to drive a car before I went to the state mandated class , which I slept through and almost failed. Amazing, I am a fairly safe driver. Yet some who got A's are some of the worst drivers I ever saw.
And another thing that confuses me, if I let all my licenses expire, would I suddenly forget how to do any of this stuff? Would I become unsafe and would I not know how to the day after the expiration?
Yet I look around me, And many of the people who went to the schools to "learn" to drive trucks, cars, and ride motorcycles don't really do all that great of a job of it.
You people who need to go to some kind of a school to learn how to do everything in life are real simple minded. Your part of the reason this country is getting so screwed up too.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 9:16:46 AM
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jaystone
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I have riden motorcycles since I was around 7 and when I went to get my license at age 33 I took the safety course and I am glad I did. I learned a lot more than I thought I would have. I think Florida is doing the right thing. On the other hand if you are just co-signing for someone I don't see where you would have to take the course.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 9:18:54 AM
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OldFenderGuy
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Shet,when I stared riding there was no such thing as a mc endorsement. Late 70's
It really depended on the specific state, even back then...
Back in the early 1970's I was riding with a MC on the east coast, and lived in the Wilmington, DE area at the time..
When I purchased a brand new 1972 FX SuperGlide I decided to go ahead and get the endorsement on my license instead of dreading it whenever I noticed a patrol car behind me when riding down the road.
True, it was easy to get the motorcycle endorsement, as it consisted of nothing more than a written test, and riding the bike from one end of a parking to the other, turning around without your feet touching the ground, and riding back to the starting point. 
And that was in 1972.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 9:29:00 AM
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TampaJim
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I support the new Florida law and I also believe that the person obtaining the licence should be the one to pay for the required course. Why should the other citizens of the state be taxed to pay for something that benefits only the motorcyclist?
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 9:37:51 AM
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Nomad X
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That was Indiana at the time.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 10:01:40 AM
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slick37
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Does Florida or any other state require a drivers safety course to get a license to drive a car?
20 years ago, I had to talk a driving test to get my DL.. after holding a permit for 6 months (which required a written test). I do agree a course isn't a bad Idea... Here (Indiana) You can take the course our pass a 1 min.. few turns show you can stop test.. to get your endorsement
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 11:35:09 AM
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==let's get radical-----weed out the weak ones----.
No one can get a car license until they pass the MSF course.
And everyone must retest every five years !
Car drivers would respect bikers. And we wouldn't have 90 year old people driving into 7 eleven stores .
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 1:17:54 PM
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jagator
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Let's see.....you need a liscense to drive a car (and nobody bitches), to drive a big rig (and nobody bitches), special endorsement to drive HazMat (and nobody bitches), where's the problem with requiring the M endorsement for a scoot? Not really a fan of the co-signer requirement though.
I agree with you Chief. I don't see the big deal, and taking the MSF class is always a good idea.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 1:39:12 PM
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If you're keeping score I think it's a good idea. The part about the co-signer is a little whacko but being licensed to operate specific equipment makes sense to me. There are too many people that think they know it all and they don't.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 1:53:45 PM
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You are FOS! where or whom did you hear that from!
Dont turn this post into your personal political rant!!!quote:
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Expected from a state like Flordia that welcomed OJ and kisses his rear any chance that they get.
wait a minute.....I've heard storys about the CA DMV handing out drivers licenses to illegals like they're raffle tickets...If you can't read english well enough to pass the test, the counter person will pretty much take it for you so you'll get your license....talk about wacked...and just wait till all those mexican semis are allowed across the border
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 3:05:11 PM
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Why is it that so many people want the government to take care of them from the womb to the tomb! I personally think that anybody that wants to ride should just hop on and take off. That is a quick way to get rid of the mentally challenged, the plain dumb, and others loafers.
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 4:19:13 PM
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I think the safety course is a good idea for any new rider.However requiring a course just to buy a bike is bs, what if it is a dirt bike or mini bike for the kids?Do they have it only for street bikes?If this was being forced on all people the the aclu would be shouting its descrimination against the poor.IE you must pay for a 200dollar class just to buy a car
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 4:48:45 PM
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fredshovel2
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Who cares about Florida? Besides giving sanctuary to OJ Simpson, Gators losing to Auburn, Georgia, Michigan and Lsu! Janet Reno is the state pin up girl!
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RE: Florida sticks it to bikers again - 3/8/2008 5:05:50 PM
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carpetride
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ORIGINAL: socalmoe
You are FOS! where or whom did you hear that from!
Dont turn this post into your personal political rant!!!quote:
ORIGINAL: carpetride
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ORIGINAL: fredshovel2
Expected from a state like Flordia that welcomed OJ and kisses his rear any chance that they get.
wait a minute.....I've heard storys about the CA DMV handing out drivers licenses to illegals like they're raffle tickets...If you can't read english well enough to pass the test, the counter person will pretty much take it for you so you'll get your license....talk about wacked...and just wait till all those mexican semis are allowed across the border
No, sorry, I'm not FOS. I'm not naive either.
http://www.footnotetv.com/ftvww128i.html
excerpt:In fact, such a bill was enacted more than a decade ago. California currently does not allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses, though it did so for several decades up until 1993 and it has seen several political battles in recent years over the issue
BTW, Obama supports DLs for illegals.....However, 10 states currently do not require an applicant for a drivers license to prove they are in the country legally...there is a lot of info and debate on the topic
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=california+drivers+license+to+illegal+aliens&btnG=Google+Search
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