RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers???
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 4/29/2008 3:39:22 PM
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Rusty Blues
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Dr. Dyno improved my numbers last summer at Sturgis from 86/75 to 92/78.
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Screamin' Eagle SE-211 Cams
Doherty Machine "PowerPACC"
Bassani "Power Curve" True Duals
PCIII USB, tuned by Dr. Dyno: 93ft-lbs/78hp
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/4/2008 7:39:06 AM
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GlideMan
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Here's my chart from the post break in period. I will do some tuning later this week and should pick up another 10 points or so when it's tuned. Engine is a GMR 124" with R&R Heads, HPI Throttle Body, and a D&D Boarzilla Pipe.
Again, these numbers are from a canned TMAX map with no tuning or tweaking. Just some early base line runs for info gathering.
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/5/2008 6:44:43 AM
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Too Tall 1956
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I don't see many 110 inch motors in this post. I am dropping off my 07 streetglide for dyno and tune after my 500 mile break in after the motor build. I went with the 110 inch kit with flowed heads and throttle body. 260 SE cams 50mm throttle body. Reinhart tru duals w/out crossover. I am hoping for at least 110/110. Supposed to pick it up Sat 4-10-08. I will post my sheet and represent for the 110 inch people.
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HD 110 inch TC
SE 260 Cams
50 mm throttle body
Diamond Cut cylinders and heads
X-treme Machine "Outburst" Wheels 18"Rear 21"Front
Milwaukee Bagger extended bags
Airbrushing by Pamela Shanteau
Legend Air Ride Rear suspension
Reinhart Tru-D
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RE: PhilM - HQ Heads / HQ-0039 Cams - 5/8/2008 5:22:26 PM
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Leftcoaster
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'06 Streetglide
102 hp
106 lb/ft
Big Sucker
Wiseco 95"- 10:5/1 pistons
Baisley S/S heads
Redshift 577 geardrive cams
TP roller rockers
Fueling oil pump
SE pushrods & lifters
Rinehart Truduals
PCIII w/rev extend
Heavy SE clutch spring
47-48 mpg
starts easy - goes fast
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RE: PhilM - HQ Heads / HQ-0039 Cams - 5/9/2008 1:45:05 PM
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ButtMan1000
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Howdy,
2004 Road Glide,
Motor re-done two weeks ago,
95 C.I.
9.5-1 C.R.
Branch PT Headwork
Branch BBI 515 cams and gear drive
Feuling Oil Pump
Feuling Cam Plate
SuperTrapp Kerker Slip On's with the Mikuni Baffle
SERT
SE AC
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New HQ build.... 120" - 5/10/2008 2:01:54 PM
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PhilM
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Well... I have been putting off the dyno for some time, as I have been using a DTT TCFI-IID and tuning it in myself. There are no shortage of "hot sports opinions" when it comes to "Auto Tuners" and build results - read: NUMBERS.
As luck would have it, I picked the worst "air day" we've had this year. It was 90+ with very high humidity... sweat standing still kinda thing.
Frankly, I don't care too much about the numbers, because this MF will flat RUN & that's what I was after.... When I talked about the build with Doug @ HQ, I was after TORQUE.... with little emphasis or care about the HP numbers, because Torque is what we FEEL and what makes these heavyazz Baggers Getup & GO....
I already know the AFR traces are not nice & flat... this is a DTT "auto tuner". Looks like I may try a Direct Link tune jsut for comparison sake.
Build is as follows:
2005 RG
HQ 120 (actually 121)
HQ Heads
HQ prep'd jugs & custom pistons
HQ575 cams
10.5:1 CR
HPI 55mm TB
Marren 6.1 gm/sec injectors
D&D FatCat w/BigBore baffle
Baker DD6 tranny
Baker KKK cutch
DTT TCFI-IID
SAE Results: 116/157 -> Mission Accomplished!
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RE: New HQ build.... 120" - 5/10/2008 7:54:42 PM
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cmcsns
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quote:
ORIGINAL: PhilM
Well... I have been putting off the dyno for some time, as I have been using a DTT TCFI-IID and tuning it in myself. There are no shortage of "hot sports opinions" when it comes to "Auto Tuners" and build results - read: NUMBERS.
As luck would have it, I picked the worst "air day" we've had this year. It was 90+ with very high humidity... sweat standing still kinda thing.
Frankly, I don't care too much about the numbers, because this MF will flat RUN & that's what I was after.... When I talked about the build with Doug @ HQ, I was after TORQUE.... with little emphasis or care about the HP numbers, because Torque is what we FEEL and what makes these heavyazz Baggers Getup & GO....
I already know the AFR traces are not nice & flat... this is a DTT "auto tuner". Looks like I may try a Direct Link tune jsut for comparison sake.
Build is as follows:
2005 RG
HQ 120 (actually 121)
HQ Heads
HQ prep'd jugs & custom pistons
HQ575 cams
10.5:1 CR
HPI 55mm TB
Marren 6.1 gm/sec injectors
D&D FatCat w/BigBore baffle
Baker DD6 tranny
Baker KKK cutch
DTT TCFI-IID
SAE Results: 116/157 -> Mission Accomplished!
DAAAMMMN..... Gotta get me one of them!!!
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RE: New HQ build.... 120" - 5/10/2008 9:27:25 PM
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hjdistl
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07 Ultra
103 Dealer installed
SE Catalytic Slip Ons
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/11/2008 1:19:42 AM
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bdaug50
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Its charts like that which make me happy I followed PhilM's advise and sought out Head-Quarters for my "dinky" 95" build. Wow. I'd be curious to see how much torque the 5.3 liter in my Chevy makes at 2250rpm.
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/11/2008 5:43:34 AM
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SpikeCT
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ok... I seen Phil's data last night.... He just had to email it to me..... lol He wanted someone to fluff his feathers to....
Anyways no offense but, if you can't post anything close to Phil's........ Don't bother lol
Nah just kidding but; DAMN dude.... I can't even imagine trying to hang on to that thing.....
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HQ 95" Build
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CP Pistons
HQ 575
HQ Head Magic
D&D Fat Cat
Big Sucker
25 Degree injectors
Daytona Twin Tech / WegoII (tuned by ME!)
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/11/2008 10:59:13 AM
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mtclassic
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/11/2008 12:53:30 PM
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aldo1952
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Has anyone dynoed a stock 07 classic with the Xied's installed?
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/13/2008 4:18:49 PM
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izzi
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i HAD to stack these to get the full picture.  one extreme to the other.
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/13/2008 6:51:58 PM
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Too Tall 1956
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Bumped mine up from 96" to 110"/Runs strong
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HD 110 inch TC
SE 260 Cams
50 mm throttle body
Diamond Cut cylinders and heads
X-treme Machine "Outburst" Wheels 18"Rear 21"Front
Milwaukee Bagger extended bags
Airbrushing by Pamela Shanteau
Legend Air Ride Rear suspension
Reinhart Tru-D
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RE: New HQ build.... 120" - 5/15/2008 7:51:30 PM
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Tn.Heritage
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quote:
ORIGINAL: PhilM
Well... I have been putting off the dyno for some time, as I have been using a DTT TCFI-IID and tuning it in myself. There are no shortage of "hot sports opinions" when it comes to "Auto Tuners" and build results - read: NUMBERS.
As luck would have it, I picked the worst "air day" we've had this year. It was 90+ with very high humidity... sweat standing still kinda thing.
Frankly, I don't care too much about the numbers, because this MF will flat RUN & that's what I was after.... When I talked about the build with Doug @ HQ, I was after TORQUE.... with little emphasis or care about the HP numbers, because Torque is what we FEEL and what makes these heavyazz Baggers Getup & GO....
I already know the AFR traces are not nice & flat... this is a DTT "auto tuner". Looks like I may try a Direct Link tune jsut for comparison sake.
Build is as follows:
2005 RG
HQ 120 (actually 121)
HQ Heads
HQ prep'd jugs & custom pistons
HQ575 cams
10.5:1 CR
HPI 55mm TB
Marren 6.1 gm/sec injectors
D&D FatCat w/BigBore baffle
Baker DD6 tranny
Baker KKK cutch
DTT TCFI-IID
SAE Results: 116/157 -> Mission Accomplished!
Well Phil, after talking with you today I can see or hear the distress in your voice at a failed attempt of getting any suds from your ride, so after a breif consideration I will take that weak thing from you and suffer for you. Dude I ain't never seen anything like that, thats awesome, have fun and see ya in Bristol.
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KB pistons
V&H tru duals
SE 203''''s
PCIII
Big Boyz Heads
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94tq
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RE: New HQ build.... 120" - 5/16/2008 1:24:19 PM
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dcfatboy
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Kelvin,
Why the HD download? In case the PCIII goes bellyup?
Joe
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RE: New HQ build.... 120" - 5/16/2008 1:41:47 PM
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BlackBastard
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ORIGINAL: dcfatboy
Kelvin, why the HD download? In case the PCIII goes bellyup?
Joe
Joe,
I had the Stage II ECM download since 2002 when I went 95" inch. I went with this download for the timing changes appropriate for HD 95" / 203 cam builds. As a result, I've never experienced pinging under any load or condition when I ran the TW21G, the TW26G or in my present build. I had considered a HD ECM reflash back to the Stage I download, but after researching the differences between the HD Stage I, II ECM downloads I came to the conclusion to stay with the Stage II for the timing changes.
Some additional info I found on Stage II ECM downloads.
Mike at Team Latus: Response to question; Is an ECM download required even though a Power Commander is installed?
Chris, perhaps in an effort to give you the best possible and most correct product we may have been overly enthusiastic with respect to the cartridge re-calibration. It is our policy to STRONGLY recommend a calibration, in modified bikes utilizing Power Commanders, which brings the ECM as close as possible to the performance combination installed. The reasons for this are;
The values in the PC mapping will not be as large or as likely to hit limits. Very large values or transitions (between cells) can lead to drivability issues. As a “piggy back” device, it starts with the ECM values which it must then modify to be correct for the bike combination. The less appropriate the base ECM, the larger these modifiers must be.
Should the PC fail (rare these days), the bike would be in a rideable condition vs. putting it on a trailer. The risk being a very lean or other condition which could lead to motor damage or failure, when the PC is not actively modifying the base ECM. We wish our customers to be aware of this risk and the additional $150.00 expense is good insurance for this protection.
From a strictly technical standpoint, we feel this is the correct approach and results in a better overall tune. The base ECM offsets, tuning constants, spark tables, VE tables, warmup enrichment and other tables will be more effective with a base cal. that is closer to the combination to be tuned. There are a lot of tables in the base ECM which the PC does not address.
We recognize that Dynojet and others advise that the re-calibration is not required and that the PC is capable of tuning from a stock calibration. This is true and we would (and do) tune PC equipped bikes with stock or stg1 cals., so long as customers are advised of the above recommendation and are therefore making an informed decision. It would be remiss of us NOT to inform customers of this risk as they often rely upon us to be “the experts” and to give them what information we have that may affect their motorcycle. We stand by our reputation in this field, will continue to have these discussions with our customers thus allowing our customers to be the most informed and knowledgeable about their bikes and related decisions. This letter will be given to our staff so that, in the future, our customer conversations will be consistent. Your letter will be cc’d to our service manager, Fred King.
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Timing is also changed from stock when doing the download. Depending on cams it can be very gentle to a little more aggressive for some of the HP maps. But none of them are really aggressive. If you are thinking of getting the flash to get the REV limiter up, then you will benefit slightly from timing change also. Although I am never a big fan of the $150 for the dealer flash, especially for the change into a mild 26 cam, going to a 95" gets a little better throttle response and high end running with the flash. You also get slightly different parameters for idle, starting, etc., as the ECU is now adjusted for a 95" and adjusts tables accordingly.
Miscellaneous forum info regarding HD ECM do
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RE: New HQ build.... 120" - 5/16/2008 2:08:38 PM
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dcfatboy
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Thanks Kelvin!
I am not experiencing any ill effects that I notice, and I am currently using 87 octane gas. IIRC, I should check my spark plugs for any detonation issues - is this what you have heard or recommend?
I do know that Will at Devil Dawg Custom Cycles adjusted my timing curves.
As usual, thanks for all the info.
Joe
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/18/2008 5:49:56 PM
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bigggdozzer
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Hello all,new here on the forum,have a 08 street glide,did a 103,screamin eagle heads,se 588 cams i belive.58mm throttle body,big injectors,10/5 to 1 pistons,did a dyno at brandon harley and with rinehart duals 109hp and 117 torque rear wheel,switchin over to VH pro pipe said i should gain a little more
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RE: DYNO Numbers for Baggers??? - 5/18/2008 6:09:36 PM
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oldman55
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Hello All...07 Ultra. se/ac,supertrapps s/e's, stock header pipe. 103 kit w/255 cams from hd. The AFR looks lean to me from what others have posted but mileage is mid to low 40's. 86 hp/105tq. Was told by the GM that in 6 gear I could get 4 more hp & tq. the dyno run was done in 5 gear. There not able to do 6 gear runs. I'm not sure if the 6 gear is true or not but in 6 the bike pulls & runs great. As well as 1/5. Very Happy.
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??? I don't think, no I know, I've never seen that kind of torque. Damn good job Phil.
