Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona
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Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 12:30:22 PM
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TakeNoCrap
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First let me start by saying anyone can go look on the official Daytona site or the ABATE site and get this info. We read where it said you can stay at the ABATE camp grounds at Deland for $15,00 a night or $90.00 for the full week. So we talked to our local ABATE and ask them if this was true. Two of us and out girl friends were going. They told us two could stay for $15.00 a night. So we drove to Deland and walked up to the stand where we pay. A very rude lady ask us what we wanted. We told her we were camping for three nights. She said $120 . I said wait ! Its me and her for three nights. She said I HEARD YOU ! It's $120. I said , you must have mis figured She said do you want them or not ? It's $15.00 pr person and a sur charge of $20.00 .
I decided to pay cause it was raining. WE got into the park and found a place where their were a lot of other tents. That night we were bedded down when a freakin golfcart caught the side of our tent line and pulled the tent over and almost drug us. The cart never stopped. Now remember that this park has roads all over it. But the ABATE members took it upon there selves to make new roads.
The next morning we were woke up from all the campers pulling their vehicles right up to our tent so they didn't have to walk to the bath rooms. One truck actually pulled on one tent. So they called ABATE to come over to handle the situation and here comes the golf carts again. They look at all the parked cars and said, well move your tent then. We were like WHAT ? We took a walk around and noticed all the beer cans thrown around. They were everywhere. I looked to my friend and said, Aren't ABATER's supposed to advocate NOT drinking and riding and safety ? He said , I thought so.
So the next night about six of us moved our tents to a spot we thought was safe. About 11:PM here comes that freakin golf cart again. Back and forth. The next morning when we got up there were tracks all around our tenting area. We walked up to the ABATE trailer and while we were walking we noticed all the beer cans again. It looked like a beer can garden. I shot you not. It looked horrible We got to the trailer and knocked on the door. A guy walked up to us and ask us what we wanted. We told Him about the golfcart situation. He looked at us and said , If you don't like it here. Maybe you should go try somewhere else where they steel your bikes. We were like. WTF ? We found the owner of the property and told them what was going on and they said they already had complaints on ABATE and was planning on doing something about it.
In closing , Every time I've ever had any dealings with ABATE , it seems the upmost in stupidity abounded. The very establishment that supposed to stand for safety just about ran us over and couldn't run a camping site if they had to. I saw more drinking in the ABATE camp site than out. In fact, most the ABATE group here are alcoholics. They have poker runs all the time to their favorite bars. What a joke. Im ashamed I even joined ABATE, but you can bet I will never give them one dime of my money again. To me, their the laughing stock of the motorcycle community .
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 12:38:13 PM
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Hell, ya coulda camped in the infield of the speedway for $35/person for three nights. Clean bathrooms and hot showers and security guards.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 12:41:04 PM
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DannyZ71
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Man, that sucks. I remember someone else posting similar experiences at Daytona this year.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 2:28:34 PM
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ABATE does not have a corner on the stupidity market.
Which ABATE chapter was running the campground? Complain to them, and then to national.
Golf carts, ATVs, trucks, and cars are the bane of any camper when the operator has an "it's all about me" attitude. See the same thing happen at state HOG rallys, Sturgis campgrounds, state campgrounds, etc.
People are selfish and have no consideration of others. It seems to almost be a universal sickness.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 2:36:12 PM
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$35/night for camping?
Are yopu kidding me?
I can get a hotel room for that.
Next time, just pull over to the side of the road, chain your bike to a tree and nap.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 2:58:33 PM
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I had just moved back to Texas and was riding around on a Saturday morning when I was motioned into a parking lot that had a lot of bikes on it. ABATE was having a ride and I guess the guy thought I was wanting to participate. So I talked to him and he told me they were going to be having a ride, but he couldn't tell me where they were going and he said that I ought to come along. About then a CMA member walked up to take over the gate while the first guy went in and got some breakfast. In talking the the CMA guy, I found out he was a member of a sister church (I'm a pastor) and we had some friends in common. He said that the CMA like to have a presence at different rides as part of theri mission. He invited me to come along and I thought, what the heck. Nothing else to do, so I went. The first three stops were to bars (the third was the ABATE meeting place.) At each stop, most of the folks were tanking up and it wasn't even noon yet. We go to another stop, not even five miles away, and it was another bar. At that point, three of us went back on our own. I didn't even go to the BBQ I had paid for with the cost of the ride.
Now having said that I am a pastor, don't think that this is just some Bible-thumping anti-alcohol guy bashing drinking. I enjoy a good, cold one occassionally. I don't belong to a denomination that condemns all drinking. But I do not drink while I am on the bike, and I am not comfortable riding around folks who have been drinking. As a matter of fact, one of the road captains dropped his bike as we were leaving one bar. Don't know if it was just something that happened or if he had been kicking back a few. But this was my first, and my last encounter with ABATE. Your post kind of clinches it for me.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 3:01:25 PM
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Good job on keeping your cool man!
Best way to ruin a otherwise perfectly good trip is to lose your cool and end up in jail!
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 3:09:10 PM
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$35/night for camping?
Are yopu kidding me?
I can get a hotel room for that.
Hook us all up with one of these 35 bucks a night Daytona Bike Week motels. We'll have one heck of a meet and greet.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 3:16:50 PM
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$35/night for camping?
Are yopu kidding me?
I can get a hotel room for that.
Next time, just pull over to the side of the road, chain your bike to a tree and nap.
I ain't from Missouri, but you'll have to show me a $35 motel room in Daytona.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 3:48:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: Kolni
$35/night for camping?
Are yopu kidding me?
I can get a hotel room for that.
Next time, just pull over to the side of the road, chain your bike to a tree and nap.
I ain't from Missouri, but you'll have to show me a $35 motel room in Daytona.
I stayed at a hotel right outside Atlantic City NJ for $8 once. About 10 yrs ago. I slept with one eye open. It was a dump, lol.
I was a dumb kid.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 4:34:07 PM
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Paid $80 at this nice, clean, motel in DeLand this year. Not the Ritz Carlton, but it was safe, clean, etc. Somehow the price of camping, along with the communal toilets & showers, doesn't add up to anything that even remotely resembles a good nights sleep. Throw in some rain, a bunch of drunks, and a golf cart dragging the tent, and I would have to pass.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 5:11:44 PM
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I understand your dismay and anger. I also know that no matter what organization, there are going to be chitheads. That said, I have been to some really GREAT ABATE rallies and outings, and I have been to some when we could not get out of there fast enough(Drunk and disorderly). Your situation sounds like a "run and don't look back" type. But the good that ABATE does lobbying politicians is worth my dues, whether I go to any functions, rallies, parties or not. Just my 2 wheat pennies worth.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 5:23:05 PM
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I stayed near Silver Springs. $15 a night, electical hookups, showers, and real peaceful. The only downside it is a little bit of a ride. But really that is what I am there for.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 5:31:03 PM
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Does any one know what ABATE stands for (NOW). I don't know what it stands for now but when I joined it stood for something totaly differand. A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments. Ofcorse that was a long time ago.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 5:48:22 PM
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sounds like a good time to me !! maybe you should have gotten out of your tent and visited/made new friends.
whats up with these people going to parties then bitching about the noise/ beer and nudity...STAY THE **** HOME
I hear the goldwingers have a nice quiet time ..............just sayin
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 5:48:24 PM
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$35/night for camping?
Are yopu kidding me?
I can get a hotel room for that.
Next time, just pull over to the side of the road, chain your bike to a tree and nap.
That was $35/ three nights ($11.66/night). Maybe you can find a $35/night room in Skanckcramento but I'll bet you won't get much sleep and you'll need that shower in the morning.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 6:16:46 PM
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I've noticed that almost everyone on the ABATE poker runs is drinking and I'd bet many couldn't pass a field sobriety test after the second stop of a poker run.
I do drink, just not when I'm riding or driving.
I think ABATE should put some effort into this issue. I';; admit that I am hesitant to renew my membership every year.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 6:31:17 PM
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Does any one know what ABATE stands for (NOW). I don't know what it stands for now but when I joined it stood for something totaly differand. A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments. Ofcorse that was a long time ago.
I know what it stands for A always B bring A alcohol T to E events.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 6:37:09 PM
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That is to funny
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 7:44:58 PM
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Hell. most all of the poker runs go through bars. While I will have one myself, it won't be while I am riding or if I am going to be riding later. When I'm done for the night, then its ok to let your hair down. There are lots of folks I don't like to ride with if they haven't been drinking much less if they are drunk. I don't belong to abate but support their fight for our rights.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 8:08:06 PM
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There are several reasons ABATE of Florida has such a small percentage of the riders living in Florida as members. Sounds like you discovered one of them.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/17/2008 10:19:03 PM
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Maybe you can find a $35/night room in Skanckcramento but I'll bet you won't get much sleep and you'll need that shower in the morning.
Now, that's not a nice name to call the "City of Trees".
And at least in that $35 motel you won't have a lawn mower going thru your room at 11pm.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 1:56:37 AM
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Just my 2 wheat pennies worth.
Wonder how many remember those?
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 2:48:03 AM
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 3:48:01 AM
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Does any one know what ABATE stands for (NOW). I don't know what it stands for now but when I joined it stood for something totaly differand. A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments. Ofcorse that was a long time ago.
I know what it stands for A always B bring A alcohol T to E events.
WOW! The last ABATE I was a member of ......(American Bikers Aimed Toward Education) Looks like not all ABATE chapters are on the same page!
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 4:44:43 AM
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I would much rather pay $200.00 a nite than stay in a place with a bunch of scum!!!!
I guess to each it's own....
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 8:29:01 AM
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But the good that ABATE does lobbying politicians is worth my dues, whether I go to any functions, rallies, parties or not. Just my 2 wheat pennies worth.
Agree Gumby, I think Abate is a lot more organized in the North. Been a member for many moons, and can't remember the last event I attended. $20 is not much to help protect my rights.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 8:53:01 AM
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So what was the nature of the $20 surcharge and did you get that refunded or at least an explanation of why you had to pay it.
Our local ABATE (Illinios) is a very strong chapter and well organized. BUT they do meet a the local VFW AND there is always adult beverages at the meetings and events.
I'm not one to complain, I just adapt. I would have first moved our bikes to protect my tent from the marauding golf carts and blocked the foot traffic through my space, next took a trash bag and hung it from the closest tree and policed my camping area for litter. lead by example.
One would expect, with the cheap price to camp comes the cheap crowd of campers. Course, we're usually one of the loud groups in the camp grounds though. I do respect other's property just can't guarantee a quiet and peaceful nights sleep. LOL first one to bed in our group usually gets one of my infamous homemade M-80's thrown under their camper. Damn gun powder is getting harder to buy in bulk these days.
The local Barney Phife usually pays us several visits each night. I'll never forget the young kid one time that came to warn us and my buddy starts asking him about his gun "is that real" and asked if he could "squeeze off a few rounds into the forest". That poor kid couldnt leave fast enough. never saw him again that trip. This was the same trip we sowed two 12 man tents together and called them one tent to meet the rules for the lot. could've parked a bus in that thing that poor kid, I wonder if he's still a park ranger?
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 9:54:11 AM
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One would expect, with the cheap price to camp comes the cheap crowd of campers. Course, we're usually one of the loud groups in the camp grounds though. I do respect other's property just can't guarantee a quiet and peaceful nights sleep. LOL first one to bed in our group usually gets one of my infamous homemade M-80's thrown under their camper. Damn gun powder is getting harder to buy in bulk these days.
The local Barney Phife usually pays us several visits each night. I'll never forget the young kid one time that came to warn us and my buddy starts asking him about his gun "is that real" and asked if he could "squeeze off a few rounds into the forest". That poor kid couldnt leave fast enough. never saw him again that trip. This was the same trip we sowed two 12 man tents together and called them one tent to meet the rules for the lot. could've parked a bus in that thing that poor kid, I wonder if he's still a park ranger?
There's reason enough to never camp.
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 12:02:49 PM
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Did you joing ABATE just to be able to tent there? Or were you interested in the cause, and participating in the group?
Each state has it's own affiliation, PA is Alliance of Bikers Aimed Toward Education. We lobby state reps BIG TIME!! also, spread awareness of bikers to other motorists so they don't kill us. Two good causes right there, protect our rights and save lives, who wouldn't want to be a part of that?
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RE: Three former ABATE members experience with Daytona - 3/18/2008 6:13:29 PM
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Whoa! Been away a couple days! I guess with all the complaints I read about ABATE of Florida, there must be no members there actually focused on a mission and it's just another group of partying bikers. To address AK hogherder's recommendation: There is no "national ABATE" SMRO's have many different names and many state's ABATE organizations' acronyms stand for different meanings. The original EasyRiders' concept was "A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments" And after the St. Joan of Claybrook period, they let unaffiliated state's rights organizations use the acronym as those state organizations saw fit without asking for royalties or copyright infringement. I continue to applaud their generosity as they saw a much bigger picture and decided to not become a parallel organization to the AMA. If you actually want to help the motorcyclists's rights movement, send an e-mail to the MRF about your ABATE of Florida (or Texas as I read elsewhere) negative experiences. No guarantees, but select persons within the national MRO would gladly have a chat with the affected state organizations about what kind of image they're portraying. May be too late for some of you to change your viewpoint, but future bikers may continue to preserve freedom of the road instead of b!tch about negative experiences with unruly individuals who are representing what an organization appears to be. Here in Chicago, we (the Chicago Chapter of A Brotherhood Aimed Toward Education of Illinois Incorporated) don't have time for Poker Runs. With as many of our member clubs having something every weekend, we're not competing for anyone's social time or charity dollars. We do have our annual Chili Cookoff which coincides with the IMS show in February, up until a couple years ago there was absolutely nothing else happening that weekend (some of the ladies of LAMA were insulted when I had a boatload of extra T-shirts one year and my "trade" for one was a tittie flash, Hey, it's February in Chi-town!). The last Sunday in April, we have our annual Dave "Dogkiller" White memorial ride for Motorcycle Awareness which segways into the state rally at the capitol the following weekend to kick off Motorcycle Awareness month, a "Spring Fling" picnic in May which has kid's games (family event, no nudity) and a couple other things. We're not an "Events" organization, we're not competing with over a dozen different LEO clubs, over a dozen latin or african-american clubs, 4 different HOG chapters, etc... We are an MRO which works with our state's legislature as well as local bodies of government to preserve freedom of the road (and off-road in other parts of the state, rich kids who hook up a trailer of vehicles they can't ride to school to the family behemoth SUV are not within our urban ranks). As many Spring Flings as I didn't attend, I more than made up for in establishing and maintaining relationships with legislators and business people that others found to be not as easy to reach as some. People like the Florida or Texas example stated before, make my tasks more challenging, but I'll never take up golf. Or spend my sunday mornings with "holier than thou" hypocrites who would screw somebody over any other day of the week. This is what I do. Over 20 years ago (1984 to be exact) I also had a bigtime negative impression of "ABATE" I heard that a group was organizing back then at a bar called "Deadwood Dave's" to fight a certain assemblyman who kept pushing for a helmet law and decided to go visit. I took one of the many people I taught to ride along with me, I left my Triumph behind and rode my Suzuki and he his Yamaha he just bought. Aside from jap bikes, we were Chicago Greasers, no long hair or peace signs thermals and baggies instead of t-shirts and jeans. When we pulled into the lot in back of the bar, trailer-trash bimbos were messing with our bikes, we didn't "fit in" and it didn't seem like any of the dudes there cared about it. We left, it took over 10 years f
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