RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confiscation, Prison Time
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 6:57:39 AM
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Brilliant!  Now all the other idiot pols(is there another kind?) around the country will be tripping over themslelves to get a law like this in their state. Makes me sick.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 6:58:53 AM
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I think the law is probably a good one, they won't be able to catch the ones they're targeting and the punishment seems to be VERY SEVERE
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 7:06:08 AM
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Well, I totally disagree with this law.
This should only apply if someone gets killed. ....... Like you Mother, your Father, your Brother, your Daughter, your Son etc etc etc.
hmmmm, .........wonder what would be the most fitting emotion to this post.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 7:46:16 AM
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Since Florida has decided to discriminate against bikers, I've decided to discriminate against Florida -- won't be traveling into that state in the future. Hope the rest of you do the same.
Some of us don't have that luxury... we live here.
I'm with billnourse, it takes major stupidity to go that far over the speed limit. I agree that the language needs to be amended so it's crystal clear that this legislation applies to all vehicles and not just motorcycles, but when I see a crotch rocktard flying down the road on his back wheel, that's bad news for all bikers anyhow. Non-bikers don't see ricers and cruisers and Harley riders. They see bikers, period. If getting his bike taken away means the roads will be safer for others, let alone himself, take the freakin' bike away. I hope that would be the right awakening in his noggin to stop acting like a retard.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 8:12:41 AM
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I don't like this Bill one bit!!!! It is always the small minority in ANY group that ruin it for everyone else! I truely feel they missed the mark...the people that they are trying to target are going are typically "runners" and now they have even more reason to run. I don't believe this Bill will solve the problem.
The problem will only be solved by pressuring the manufacturers into limiting power and/or top speeds on these motorcycles. I know people will disagree but does anyone really need a 150+hp, 400lbs, 165mph plus vehicle for the street...my opinion is no. Should the right to own one be taken away...no but, the right should come at a premium. Treat motorcycles like cars...pay for the power...Ford Focus $17k Ford Mustang GT $35k, Ferrari $150k+++
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 8:20:28 AM
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Well that about does it for me. Not long ago I watched a TV program about Daytona City's new master traffic control room. Going down to Daytona this year I thought "traffic will be better", no they now use that control roon to keep all roads in & out at a stand still. $ 4 bottles of water, $ 8 hamburgers, I'm done with them, let their over 70 folks support their BS. , I'm joining Rideglide's club. (& they well still pull right out in front of you no matter what your speed)quote:
ORIGINAL: rideglide
Since Florida has decided to discriminate against bikers, I've decided to discriminate against Florida -- won't be traveling into that state in the future. Hope the rest of you do the same.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 9:45:11 AM
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No one is arguing that 30 over is ok, but the punishment does not fit the crime.
Going to jail and having you vehicle confiscated sounds like something from the crazy countries soldiers like me have fought all of our careers.
Punishment should fit the crime! Put your self in the shoes of the offender.
Lets say you are in a 45 mph zone and do not see the speed change and you're doing 75. Guess what, you just lost your vehicle and the wife has to get you out of jai! Does that sound right and just?
Why not just chopp of the right foot/wrist too and get it over with!
I love "Lets say" stories...
Please...There are many warnings before a 75 goes to a 45....if there aren't, you have reason to talk to your local government and have it fixed.
If you loose your bike because you were going 30 over by accidentially running a school zone or whatever..I still want your ass handed to you.
This includes Moms, school buses, SEMIs and even cops. If you are going 30 over anywhere, I want you off the road permanetly. Because if you are doing that kinda speed, you obviously don't give a fug about anyone else but yourself. So why should I care if you loose your bike or car?
Again, good law. Keep'em coming.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 9:51:01 AM
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Funny thing is I was in Daytona this past weekend and didn't see one $4 bottle of water or an $8 hamburger anywhere. It is a shame you don't plan to come back but when you think about it, it is doubtful they will miss you.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 9:56:13 AM
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 10:03:35 AM
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They may have been thinking in the right diection but they went way overboard.
5 to 10 years in PRISON for speeding? Confiscation of vehicle? Give me a break, that type of penalty should be reserved for those that habitually break the law, or drunk drivers.
I can see it now, new guy in prison, someone asks, "what ya in for"? ..."speeding".
Hell, habitual drunk drivers get off easier than that.
Like someone mentioned, if Florida decides they need a little economic boost, they just set up radar out in the boondocks somewhere and wait for someone going 30 over. Nab em, sell their vehicle.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 10:07:26 AM
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Like the prisons arent full enough. Little much if you ask me.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 10:26:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: xcelr8
the kids on the rice rockets are totally out of control here in So Florida. It's nothing to be cruising at 70MPH in a 65 zone and have 4 or 5 blast by so fast you never see them coming, and they are gone in a matter of seconds. 130-150 MPH is not uncommon. Laying down on the tank, t-shirt blowing up around the neck exposing a bare back, sneakers or flip flops, and the boys are even worse. The worst part is the cops can't catch them.
For the most part it is the crotch rockets but others do it also. I was riding to Daytona for Bike Week on I-95. Going along about 75-80 and had 4 Harleys pass me like I was parked.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 11:20:35 AM
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Well maybe I was looking at it wrong, lets all go spend all that money making our bikes run faster than stock, you know cams, 103 and up kits and all that shit, and when we are done we will have the fastet 70 mph bike's in town.
I will never be THAT frigin old.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 11:45:26 AM
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This has become an interesting thread...
I find it oddly amusing that we kinda represent a VERY specific sub-section of the population, and WE can't even agree on this subject.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 11:49:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: arnold
Well maybe I was looking at it wrong, lets all go spend all that money making our bikes run faster than stock, you know cams, 103 and up kits and all that shit, and when we are done we will have the fastet 70 mph bike's in town.
I will never be THAT frigin old.
Why do I need to put up with you endangering my physical wellbeing because you spent money on anything?
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 11:58:28 AM
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ORIGINAL: VTwinJaxFL
They aren't targeting the typical cruiser, this was designed to go after the crazy kids on sport bikes. But, since they run from the police and they can't pursue, it doesn't do any good. When a sport bike has the ability to hit 150 to 170 in a matter of a few seconds, there is no police car or bike that is going to be able to keep up, so it is a non issue. Everyone can relax.
+1. The cops can't catch these guys, and if they do, they want to throw the book at them.
BUT....once again, Florida lawmakers go over the top with lousy wording and excessive penalties.
30mph OVER any speed limit is RECKLESS DRIVING. Why can't they just enforce that law; it already applies to everyone and everything on the road. Amend THAT law to include confiscation of the motor vehicle.
Out on lonely stretches of interstate, hitting 100mph (once in a while) is no big deal. Posted limits in Florida are never higher than 70mph. I've had plenty of trucks pass me at 90+ when I am behaving.
Just recently in the news down here, a second-time-offender DUI (already on a suspended license), hit and killed an off-duty cop was was just given a 6 months jail sentance.
Very much in-line down here. The bark is much louder than the bite.
EDITED- to add link to DUI death (that a lot folks won't believe me from the statement above): Plastic Chair on I4 lead to officer's death
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 12:00:12 PM
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Leave the bikers alone and do something about the old gray haired cage drivers that can't tell the difference between the brake pedal or gas
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 12:01:53 PM
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I would be the first one to admit that even as an adult I've never yet had a vehicle of any kind, that I didn't at least once find out how fast it would go.
But always on a straight stretch of good road, with no other traffic. Yep, I still broke the law, but didn't endanger anyone but myself and the bugs.
Now, go back to my youth.....different story.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 2:31:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: arnold
Well maybe I was looking at it wrong, lets all go spend all that money making our bikes run faster than stock, you know cams, 103 and up kits and all that shit, and when we are done we will have the fastet 70 mph bike's in town.
I will never be THAT frigin old.
Why do I need to put up with you endangering my physical wellbeing because you spent money on anything?
For the same reason I have to put up with the blue hairs driving or riding when they shouldnt, because thats the way it is, and no **** law is gonna change it.
Ill make you a deal, get all the incompetant drivers-riders off MY frigin road and I will slow down to an acceptable 90. (maybe)
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 2:54:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: billnourse
Also, could some of you "Consitiutional Lawyers" point out to me where in the Constitution "Traffic Rights" are dealt with? Driving is a priviledge, not a right, and if you can't exercise that priviledge within the rules, then consequences result.
Bill
please re-read the 9th amendment.
pointing out where the right is is not necessary, show me where in the constitution the right to remove this right from the people is given to the government.
you're looking at the issue backwards, which is unfortunately, common.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 3:28:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: billnourse
Also, could some of you "Consitiutional Lawyers" point out to me where in the Constitution "Traffic Rights" are dealt with? Driving is a priviledge, not a right, and if you can't exercise that priviledge within the rules, then consequences result.
Bill
Why do people always bring up The Constitution? Don't they realize that there were no vehicle's when it was written? Stop telling me it's a priviledge and not a right.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 3:28:56 PM
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When I buy or sel stuff on ebay, gunbroker or other sites I will not do business with California because of their left wing policies. Now I will add Florida because of their anti-biker sentiment. Daytona will do fine without me from now on, I'm sure.
How many of you have come around a turn on a state road to see the next speed sign say 25 when the last said 55? Get off your high horse, those of you who support this license to steal motorcycles.
Just wait till the same a-holes make it a crime to ride a motorcycle. They could do that just as easily.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 3:36:59 PM
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My choice for not visiting Fla. is their hypocricies. Invite me to your state for "Bike week", "Biketoberfest", and threaten to penalise me for recckless driving. Not to mention..ticket me for loud pipes. So now you'll take my food and lodging dollars, along with my motorcycle if you so decide. I'll not return.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 3:53:24 PM
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Let the stealers fight for us. Boycot every store that sell motorcycles, parts, clothes,and accessories. Let them get the law removed. We must fight for what we believe in.Dont go to Fla. If you live there dont buy anything from Stealers and tell them why.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 4:40:06 PM
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Wasn't gonna weigh in on this one, I'm a Florida resident and I'm really not bothered by the bill because I don't ride like that, but since its got everyone in an uproar at least I'll point out that they've already amended the bill. The strike-all amendment is listed below, basically they raised it back up to the orginal 50 mph over the speed limit and have made it a tiered offense, essentially a 3 strikes policy, first offense is a stiff fine, second a fine and loss of license for a year, third becomes a felony and that's when you forfeit your bike and lose your license for 10 years.
And for everyone who was originally upset about the "horizontal tag" issue that has been removed.
IV. AMENDMENTS/COUNCIL SUBSTITUTE CHANGES On March 13, 2008, the Committee on Infrastructure favorably reported the bill with a strike-all amendment, and an amendment to the strike-all amendment. The amendment creates a new s. 316.1926, F.S., which provides that violations of s. 316.2085(2) or (3), F.S., regarding motorcycle operation, or violations of the speeding laws in s. 316.183(2), 316.187, and 316.189, F.S., in excess of 50 miles per hour over the limit, are moving violations punishable as provided in Chapter 318. The amendment subsequently amends 318.14, F.S., to provided “tiered” penalties for violations of the newly created s. 316.1926, F.S. A first violation is subject to a fine of $1,000; a second violation is subject to a fine of $2,500 and a one-year suspension of the offender’s driver’s license; and a third violation is a third degree felony resulting in forfeiture of the vehicle and license suspension for ten years. The amendment clarifies that both wheels must be on the ground at all times when operating a motorcycle, but it is not a violation if a wheel loses contact with the ground briefly as a result of the road’s surface or other circumstance beyond the control of the operator. The amendment to the strike-all amendment removes the phrase “horizontally to the ground” in the statute requiring license tags to be permanently affixed to the motorcycle or moped.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 5:44:18 PM
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Sleepman,
Bravo for the latest scoop, but that is about the most indecipherable pile of doublespeak c**p I've seen in a long time. Leave it to the morons in office to make things so muddy they are useless.
Here is an ammendment to the strike all ammendents, including the ammendment to the ammendment except what was stricken. Right.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 6:03:18 PM
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another viewpoint:
Did we lose or did we win with House Bill 137? Many of you know this bill as the one that would confiscate your motorcycle if you were stopped for excessive speed or reckless driving. The House Bill went through committee and eventually passed the committee. I say eventually because just before the first vote it was postponed and was rewritten. The amended bill was passed in committee and could proceed to the House Floor. This would change 316.1926, F.S. that says a person caught speeding in excess of 50 miles per hour will be subject to a tiered penalty system. First offense $1,000 fine, second offense $2,500 fine and a one-year suspension of the motorcycle endorsement, the third offense is a third degree felony resulting in forfeiture of the vehicle and a license suspension for ten years. This watered down version of the House Bill 137 is a major improvement over what was originally proposed (mandatory jail and forfeiture of motorcycle on the first offense). A final note to the bill is the section that addressed the placement of the tag was removed. The bill is still alive, but it was drastically changed; some say we lost and others say we won. The fight is not over so you should continue to email or write your Representatives and your Senators that you are opposed to HB 137 and Senate Bill 802.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 6:38:21 PM
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And Gumpster that remark about being the Bunghole of the country...We resembable that remark.We do have 12 months of riding down here but we also have 80% of all Americas aged (over 80yrs) that we have to look out for but we have to look out for these idiots on metric bikes for 12 months. I have been passed on I-95 and sr528 at over 120mph on the back wheel more that once. If you all are comming to Florida to go 30mph over the limit then we are glad you will no longer spend your hard earned monies here. As for as ABATE goes they can all take a long ride off a short peir.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 6:49:17 PM
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Given the revisions, I think the new law is appropriate and long overdue. Lets face is, nobody has the right to endanger other lives out of gross selfishness, negligence, stupidity, indifference or stupidity.
And I DO ride in FL.
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RE: Florida Passes HB 137, Speeders Face Vehicle Confis... - 3/21/2008 7:38:13 PM
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another viewpoint:
Did we lose or did we win with House Bill 137? Many of you know this bill as the one that would confiscate your motorcycle if you were stopped for excessive speed or reckless driving. The House Bill went through committee and eventually passed the committee. I say eventually because just before the first vote it was postponed and was rewritten. The amended bill was passed in committee and could proceed to the House Floor. This would change 316.1926, F.S. that says a person caught speeding in excess of 50 miles per hour will be subject to a tiered penalty system. First offense $1,000 fine, second offense $2,500 fine and a one-year suspension of the motorcycle endorsement, the third offense is a third degree felony resulting in forfeiture of the vehicle and a license suspension for ten years. This watered down version of the House Bill 137 is a major improvement over what was originally proposed (mandatory jail and forfeiture of motorcycle on the first offense). A final note to the bill is the section that addressed the placement of the tag was removed. The bill is still alive, but it was drastically changed; some say we lost and others say we won. The fight is not over so you should continue to email or write your Representatives and your Senators that you are opposed to HB 137 and Senate | | |
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