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RE: Anyone seen this - 4/1/2008 6:37:40 PM
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Sillverback
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For sure, without knowing the situation. Riding MX has given me a habit of always riding with a finger on the front brake and two on the clutch, always, just in case.
Ha...that's awesome. I thought I was the only one that did that. I also catch myself shifting my weight to the outside floorboard going into turns.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 6:41:37 PM
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There will be more sad tales to follow....you wait n see....TBW (as designed by HD) will kill/injure many of us yet.....mark my words.
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RE: Anyone seen this - 4/1/2008 6:42:20 PM
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Good God, People believe anything. Everything and every product could be linked to a death but that does not mean if you own that product you will die. People die everyday of something. i find it hard to believe that TBW will be causeing multiple deaths or was the cause of that bull@#$% story death. If you believe everything you read you better build a bomb shelter under your house and live there and never come out. Then again, what would you build it with. Cement is responsible for many deaths. Wood too. Hammers,nails,electricity,water. The end is near. Do yourself a favor and pull the trigger.
During the past several months, there have been several threads about this issue. It is clear that something MIGHT be wrong. MOCO needs to investigate. I am glad I have an 07 with throttle cables.....
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 6:51:01 PM
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Ditto
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 6:52:45 PM
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That's beyond sad. RIP
But blaming it on a technology that's as widespread on cars as it is (it's on my '05) without a solid case of repetitive failures, or even one documented case, does nobody any good.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 7:01:39 PM
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My condolence's
Heard about this from several friends, I'm in DFW. God bless. I send my regards with CJ & Justrite.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 7:07:00 PM
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Yes its terrible
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 7:08:14 PM
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I'm very sorry for the family's loss, and the road ahead for the wife. Ripper, thank you for the post. I am a new rider with approx. 650 on an 08 XL1200N and had my throttle stick yesterday in first. I am not sure if my set up is the same, but I will have it looked at. Yesterday I re-checked everything I was doing and there was nothing that should have been causing this. I just thought hum, must be cold or something--idle sticking. It seemed fine later in the day. I hadn't heard of this problem with any HD model before.
And hey, captjohn37, WTF? A head's up is an appropriate thing, and he's got a good reason to give us one. I did not read a dark omen in this, just concern. There is too much on this site that tries to blow off precautions because some folks don't want to hear it. Some of us are grateful. Lighten up.
Glad I could help But, your bike does not have this type of throttle system so if it was/is sticking take it to the dealer ASAP and get it checked out because any sticking is an unsafe condition........ Good luck and ride safe
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 7:22:10 PM
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My condolence to the family and friends.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 7:24:59 PM
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my condolances to you and your family
i have had a prob with my 08 roadking that i posted a few days ago,but mine only happens in hot weather and i only notice it when i come to a stop it tends to idle very high i actually twisted the throttle back and held it there soon as i released it it went back to high idle again which would probably suggest it is being told to do this by the comp. when i rang my dealer he said it was to do with high temp conditions and it will sort itself out the more miles i do.thanks for your post and i think i will be calling my dealer and ask for an explanation in writing if anyone else has had the same prob as me i would like to know.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 8:40:24 PM
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Come on!...Get real!...Stop defending the stupid asses that designed HD TBW.
Yeah, fersure it's proven tech on many cars, but how many cars out there will reset the throttle if you shut engine off while you have it reved up?.....None....Only Harley does this!
Yep, if you have engine reved when you hit kill switch, the new idle speed is where the engine was when you killed it.....NOW THAT IS FARKED UP!
Yet many of you here say it's just a glitch and we should learn to not use kill switch least we end up with out of control idle speed.....
You defenders with '08 TBW might end up in a ditch bleeding out while the MOCO and EMT's and all your friends whisper it was operator error(like is always is to John Public whenever a biker gets splattered).....Yeah, wait till you end up like that then try to prove TBW failed.....The bike will be wrecked, you will be wrecked, and all the King's horses and all his men won't be able to determine what really happened.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 9:07:45 PM
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uweldit
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Oh c'mon now...the kill switch don't reset the idle speed when the engine is revved up.
I've done it during testing and it don't happen.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 9:23:31 PM
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First of all, condolances to the brother and his family.
To set the record straight on the kill switch...
Bikes used to use keys to turn the ignition on. Sometimes these keys are inaccessible if there is a runaway throttle situation with cables (ask me how I know). In this case you pull the clutch, press the handlebar mounted kill switch and roll the bike onto the shoulder of the road.
It's there so you maintain two hand control withour removing one hand to turn the switch off.
That's what I was taught. Using the kill switch after turning on the IGN also keeps both hands on the bars while starting the bike.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 9:30:48 PM
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I'm very sorry for the family's loss, and the road ahead for the wife. Ripper, thank you for the post. I am a new rider with approx. 650 on an 08 XL1200N and had my throttle stick yesterday in first. I am not sure if my set up is the same, but I will have it looked at. Yesterday I re-checked everything I was doing and there was nothing that should have been causing this. I just thought hum, must be cold or something--idle sticking. It seemed fine later in the day. I hadn't heard of this problem with any HD model before.
And hey, captjohn37, WTF? A head's up is an appropriate thing, and he's got a good reason to give us one. I did not read a dark omen in this, just concern. There is too much on this site that tries to blow off precautions because some folks don't want to hear it. Some of us are grateful. Lighten up.
Glad I could help But, your bike does not have this type of throttle system so if it was/is sticking take it to the dealer ASAP and get it checked out because any sticking is an unsafe condition........ Good luck and ride safe
Thanks Ripper--glad to know not my system, though you're right--requires a check. Another post mentioned the high idle at a stop--from a stopping position is actually when it started for me, and it stayed that way until I shifted into second. I lifted my hand and was not revving it--something amiss. Thanks again, and you ride safe as well.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/1/2008 9:41:32 PM
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Bad news. Be ready for anything because if you get out there enough you'll see it.
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RE: Anyone seen this - 4/1/2008 10:24:24 PM
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Good God, People believe anything. Everything and every product could be linked to a death but that does not mean if you own that product you will die. People die everyday of something. i find it hard to believe that TBW will be causeing multiple deaths or was the cause of that bull@#$% story death. If you believe everything you read you better build a bomb shelter under your house and live there and never come out. Then again, what would you build it with. Cement is responsible for many deaths. Wood too. Hammers,nails,electricity,water. The end is near. Do yourself a favor and pull the trigger.
Thank you for saying what I wanted to, but couldn't find the right words. I feel very sorry for this and any biker that goes down in an accident, but to declare all 08 FBW bikes a death waiting to happen is rediculous.
+1.
These bikes have been out for 8 months...some with only a few hundred miles some with several thousand miles. You would think there would be MANY MANY more incidents reported. Most reports I have heard have been about high RPMs at idle...not a sticking throttle. I have not had any incidents at all of either ther throttle sticking or high RPM...I have 2000 miles on mine. I just replaced the bars and have ridden a couple hundred miles.
I always stop my engine with the kill switch then turn off the ignition. I always turn on the ignition and then hit the "Run" switch to start the bike...no issues.
Like cruise control and the ABS they have to put in methods for safety...In fact if an error is thrown the Electroic Throttle Control goes into several safety modes including full engine shutdown (see pg 40 for those with an '08)
A few year back my daughter bought a SAAB...She called me screaming one day (a mother's scariest moment) her throttle was stuck and she was accelerating past 80 on a crowded freeway. I instructed her to shift to neutral (pulling the clutch in an automatic) get to the side ASAP and kill the engine. She is a small girl and may not have been able to yank the car to the side safely if she had shutdown. Turns out a clip on her cruise contorl had come off and stuck the throttle open...All actual cables.....
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 4:55:24 AM
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ORIGINAL: LdyMjo
I'm very sorry for the family's loss, and the road ahead for the wife. Ripper, thank you for the post. I am a new rider with approx. 650 on an 08 XL1200N and had my throttle stick yesterday in first. I am not sure if my set up is the same, but I will have it looked at.
Your XL1200 has throttle cables I believe, so it couldn't be the same problem
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Never mind me, I forgot to read page 2 and see you got this answer already 
< Message edited by Chicago Spike -- 4/2/2008 5:01:38 AM >
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 5:21:03 AM
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Sorry for your famileys loss stay strong brother!!!!!
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 7:01:41 AM
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i have a bro that has parked his 08 until HD can make it right . has happen twice to him.....
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 7:03:47 AM
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My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
Through this, you need to bring into the mix your petty problems with HD. You are one sad individual.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 7:36:16 AM
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i like my cables, going to check them right now!
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 9:00:47 AM
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FYI, Your Sporty does not have the same throttle set up as the 08 touring bikes. Your bike has the old style throttle cables, so if yours stuck that goes to prove that it's not just the TBW set ups that appear to be sticking.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 9:39:12 AM
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No Peppa1 you must be wrong.
A throttle cable has never jammed broke hung wide open...... Left anyone stranded,,,, caused an accident or death,,,,,, never!!!
It only happens to the new stuff,,,,,, Why did HD ever invent such technology,,,,, I bet they got it from Al Gore. Yea ,that's it.
Some of you guys need to change your points and oil your kick starts!!!!!
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 11:19:47 AM
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The throttle by wire has to be a simple potentiometer design. Nothing really fancy about it. Certain amount of hand throttle roll equals a certain percentage of throttle blade opening. Not too high tech.
Been around on trucks (I mean trucks, not pick ups) since at least the late 80's. When the TPS (Throttle Position Switch) goes bad it usually returns you to idle with no acceleration control. Maybe the design of the HD potentiometer is picking up latent/back-fed electrical signals. Dunno.
RIP and condolences to the MRS.
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RE: Anyone seen this - 4/2/2008 11:50:56 AM
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I have a question though. Couldn't a guy just pull in the clutch?
...or flip the handlebar kill switch, or turn the ignition switch off. Not to diminish the gravity of the situation, but an experienced rider would instinctively flip the kill switch, I would think.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 12:29:41 PM
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Oh c'mon now...the kill switch don't reset the idle speed when the engine is revved up.
I've done it during testing and it don't happen.
What he said...
I haven't had any problems out of mine and I use the kill switch all the time revved or not.. Mine does idle a little high when 1st started, but drops down soon. Nice feel to it and crisp response. 5000 miles on an 08 SG,
BUT after reading about others mishaps, and fatalities with FBW I am certainly knocking on wood..!!
My condolences to the Mrs, and family..
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 3:56:22 PM
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I'm very sorry for the family's loss, and the road ahead for the wife. Ripper, thank you for the post. I am a new rider with approx. 650 on an 08 XL1200N and had my throttle stick yesterday in first. I am not sure if my set up is the same, but I will have it looked at. Yesterday I re-checked everything I was doing and there was nothing that should have been causing this. I just thought hum, must be cold or something--idle sticking. It seemed fine later in the day. I hadn't heard of this problem with any HD model before.
And hey, captjohn37, WTF? A head's up is an appropriate thing, and he's got a good reason to give us one. I did not read a dark omen in this, just concern. There is too much on this site that tries to blow off precautions because some folks don't want to hear it. Some of us are grateful. Lighten up.
Glad I could help But, your bike does not have this type of throttle system so if it was/is sticking take it to the dealer ASAP and get it checked out because any sticking is an unsafe condition........ Good luck and ride safe
Apparently all throttles can stick. Hmm.
RIP brother.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death - 4/2/2008 6:59:40 PM
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Foremost, my sincere condolences to the victim's family. And I pray for his wife's speedy recovery.
Wannet, I encountered the exact problem on a 2008 EGC that I rented 2 weeks ago. I called the dealer and I was told that this symptom is normal on the 2008 models for the first 1K miles.
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