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ripper43 -> Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death (4/1/2008 12:50:31 PM)

Repost for Thorn - HAMMER
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2008 21:19 GMT
This is a repost for Thorn about his brother HAMMER. If you have an 08 H.D. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get it checked out.



My Brother HAMMER was killed today in a bike accident -- He was the President and Chapter Holder for Boozerfighters Chapter 39 in Granburys, Texas. He is also the Owner of Jackhammer Tattoo. his wife Sindi is in serious condition.
Seems that the new electronic throttle on the 08 H.D.'s has a problem they accelerate on their own and you can't shut them down. he had just got his bike back from H.D. for this problem and they told him it was fixed. this time he was in a curve and couldn't pull out of it , ran off the road and threw Sindi off ,then the bike flipped over on him and broke his neck .

please if you have one of these bikes or you know someone that does , get it checked
 
 
Checked the Boozefighters site and it seems to be true.
 
RIP.

  
wdg -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 12:55:04 PM)

wow if anyone else has heard of this please post a thread thanks for the heads up sorr for there family

mvinc01 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:20:36 PM)

Wow. Gave me chills reading about something like that happening. It does not apply for me, but I would also like to know if anyone else has expereience with the new fly by wire in this respect.

Very sorry for their family's loss.

RIP

mllkn6 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:26:40 PM)

I just read that it was true on another site in Canada. http://boozefighters.ca/ My condolences to the family and the chapter for their loss.

The Baron -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:31:07 PM)

My condolences to the involved parties.

I have a question though. Couldn't a guy just pull in the clutch?

This is why I stick to old school carbs and cables. Electrical demons are worthy foes.  

ripper43 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:37:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Baron

My condolences to the involved parties.

I have a question though. Couldn't a guy just pull in the clutch?

This is why I stick to old school carbs and cables. Electrical demons are worthy foes.  


I thought the very same thing. Pull in the clutch ? hard to say with out being there.

The Baron -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:40:00 PM)

For sure, without knowing the situation. Riding MX has given me a habit of always riding with a finger on the front brake and two on the clutch, always, just in case.


Rev00 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:42:46 PM)

Man, that's bad!  RIP
Ditto on the Clutch and Kill switch, but sometimes something crazy like this will make you panic for a second and that is a second too long.

2003FLHPI -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:45:19 PM)

HOLY CHIT!...so sorry for the lose...not to make light of it but i bet the dealer said it was "normal"...i'd be talking to lawyers real quick

The Baron -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:46:21 PM)

You don't get to be Pres of a club without knowing how to ride a motorcycle. Strange shit.

Mississippi Bagger -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:50:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Baron

My condolences to the involved parties.

This is why I stick to old school carbs and cables. Electrical demons are worthy foes.  


+1

When I first heard about the TBW it was not a good feeling.

ripper43 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 1:52:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: The Baron

For sure, without knowing the situation. Riding MX has given me a habit of always riding with a finger on the front brake and two on the clutch, always, just in case.




Same with me on the fingers. old habits die hard and sometimes thats a good thing.

rocknrod -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 2:07:16 PM)

And they knew it was the TBW how?

ripper43 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 2:12:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rocknrod

And they knew it was the TBW how?



Good question. I would assume that he was riding with someone else that seen it? and the fact that it had been in the shop for this earlier.

Dr.Hess -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 2:13:36 PM)

Even a carb can lock open on you.  I've had it happen to me in heavy traffic on my 79.  A piece of throttle cable frayed and locked the slide 1/3 open.  I pulled in the clutch, let it out, pulled it in, etc. and rode it to a side street and hit the kill button when I could coast.

I've wondered about fly by wire on a bike.  Think I trust my current cable setup on an S&S and on the Buel throtle body more.

marthared -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 2:20:03 PM)

That's really sad.  Prayers to the family.

I had my throttle stick and accelerate right after I had my new handlebars put on.  Turned out to be that the throttle housing was either too close or too far on the handlebar and not fitting quite right in the handlebar holes.  They moved it, and it's been fine for 2500 miles.  Still, makes me wonder....

outlaw0013 -> RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death (4/1/2008 2:23:48 PM)

Profinish posted about this problem on the 29th. It's happened before. Maybe the MOCO will do something about it not that some poor bast*rd lost his life because of it.

rocknrod -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 2:24:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dr.Hess

Even a carb can lock open on you.  I've had it happen to me in heavy traffic on my 79.  A piece of throttle cable frayed and locked the slide 1/3 open.  I pulled in the clutch, let it out, pulled it in, etc. and rode it to a side street and hit the kill button when I could coast.

I've wondered about fly by wire on a bike.  Think I trust my current cable setup on an S&S and on the Buel throtle body more.


I too have had a throttle stick on me. Used the clutch until I could kill the bike.
Heck I even had the throttle boss opening up the throttle too much and had to use the clutch, until I realized what the matter was. Cold day - too many clothes etc.
So I really do question this line of thinking.
I mean it's what "some" people love to hear. Like when electricity came out = it killed people...
TBW has been around a long time if anyone really cares to investigate. Not new technology. So when I hear "new fangled thing" I have to laugh.

At any rate it's a shame another brother died on his bike whatever the reason.

gilbos440rt -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 2:25:43 PM)

Sorry to hear about his death [&o] I hope Sindi makes a full recovery! I never could figure out why Harley would want to go to the expense and trouble to replace the throttle cables anyway, I've never trusted them even on cars, my wifes Hemi ram has it and I hate it! The computer can override any input you give the throttle, burn outs are a thing of the past, shame too, that hemi feels like it would romp if the computer would let it [:@] 

CREEPSHOW -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 2:58:09 PM)

That's the main reason I choose a used 05' and stayed away from that. Looked like an accident waiting to happen. All it does is give the bike that clean wireless look, no advantages, just another thing to go wrong.... I am just waiting for the passenger seat frame to break and kill someone on that damn Rocker C. Stupid MOCO needs to take a step back and think about this!

Xtreme Hawg -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 3:26:23 PM)

and I complained about the 5th gear whine...  Geez, sounds like the 08's have a much bigger problem...  My condolences to the family and I hope sindi makes a full and fast recovery..."D"

Chicago Spike -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 3:53:26 PM)

Very sorry to hear of this and all my best for the friends and family.

I am, however, skeptical of the cause being the ETC. There are many, yes many, redundancies to override the ETC in such an event both electrical and mechanical(return springs ). Not saying it didn't happen, but a lot would have to fail to have the ETC lock the throttle open. H-D wouldn't be allowed to put a system on the road that didn't have those many overrides

Jager -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 4:43:31 PM)

I agree that it's a tragic loss. RIP.

But blaming it on the TBW is extremely suspect.

bigdumbnoitall00 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:10:33 PM)

 
fbw or not cabels and carbs stick as well

rbabos -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:15:04 PM)

This thread should be put in the General section as not everyone comes to the touring part.
Ron

Jim Dawson -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:16:52 PM)

My condolences to those involved and their families.

I, too, am skeptical that it was the electonic throttle that caused this accident. I'd like to see the proof when they find out.

jakedog -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:21:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rbabos

This thread should be put in the General section as not everyone comes to the touring part.
Ron
I think it only applies to touring bikes.....Prayers to the family

JD

ripper43 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:30:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim Dawson

My condolences to those involved and their families.

I, too, am skeptical that it was the electonic throttle that caused this accident. I'd like to see the proof when they find out.



I too am skeptical ? I'm a see it to believe it kinda guy. Just reporting what I read.

lil_gmac2 -> RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death (4/1/2008 5:37:29 PM)

My condolences my GOD bless his sole and wath over his family.

jag1886 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:39:03 PM)

 I looked at 08's RC's before purchasing my 07RC. I told my wife it the showroom that I wasn't willing to trust my life to some new technology that Harley had dreamed up.

Aslan -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:42:31 PM)

I had a friend go into a corner around 35mph and under contro. He lost it and died. The passenger lived. She said the last thing she remembers is he said "oh no".
No drinking no drugs. We never could figure out what had happened. To this day we don't know what went wrong.
I'm sorry for this latest loss. TBW maybe. I don't know sometimes things just happen that we can't explain.

russl179 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:46:07 PM)

Throttle cables should be an option.....prayers to Hammer and family.

ripper43 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:46:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jag1886

I looked at 08's RC's before purchasing my 07RC. I told my wife it the showroom that I wasn't willing to trust my life to some new technology that Harley had dreamed up.


Thats just it, it's not new It's been around a long time. maybe not in this application but in many others.

Navitimer -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 5:58:41 PM)

So sorry for your loss.  Our prayers and thoughts are with you.

captjon37 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 6:08:34 PM)

Good God, People believe anything. Everything and every product could be linked to a death but that does not mean if you own that product you will die. People die everyday of something. i find it hard to believe that TBW will be causeing multiple deaths or was the cause of that bull@#$% story death. If you believe everything you read you better build a bomb shelter under your house and live there and never come out. Then again, what would you build it with. Cement is responsible for many deaths. Wood too. Hammers,nails,electricity,water. The end is near. Do yourself a favor and pull the trigger.

08flhx -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 6:14:02 PM)

Amen Brother
quote:

ORIGINAL: captjon37

Good God, People believe anything. Everything and every product could be linked to a death but that does not mean if you own that product you will die. People die everyday of something. i find it hard to believe that TBW will be causeing multiple deaths or was the cause of that bull@#$% story death. If you believe everything you read you better build a bomb shelter under your house and live there and never come out. Then again, what would you build it with. Cement is responsible for many deaths. Wood too. Hammers,nails,electricity,water. The end is near. Do yourself a favor and pull the trigger.

ripper43 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 6:16:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: captjon37

Good God, People believe anything. Everything and every product could be linked to a death but that does not mean if you own that product you will die. People die everyday of something. i find it hard to believe that TBW will be causeing multiple deaths or was the cause of that bull@#$% story death. If you believe everything you read you better build a bomb shelter under your house and live there and never come out. Then again, what would you build it with. Cement is responsible for many deaths. Wood too. Hammers,nails,electricity,water. The end is near. Do yourself a favor and pull the trigger.


Now ain't you just a fckin ray of sunshine. Relax man you'll live longer.

Windup08 -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 6:16:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: captjon37

Good God, People believe anything. Everything and every product could be linked to a death but that does not mean if you own that product you will die. People die everyday of something. i find it hard to believe that TBW will be causeing multiple deaths or was the cause of that bull@#$% story death. If you believe everything you read you better build a bomb shelter under your house and live there and never come out. Then again, what would you build it with. Cement is responsible for many deaths. Wood too. Hammers,nails,electricity,water. The end is near. Do yourself a favor and pull the trigger.

Thank you for saying what I wanted to, but couldn't find the right words.  I feel very sorry for this and any biker that goes down in an accident, but to declare all 08 FBW bikes a death waiting to happen is rediculous.

Jim Dawson -> RE: Anyone seen this (4/1/2008 6:24:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Windup08

Thank you for saying what I wanted to, but couldn't find the right words.  I feel very sorry for this and any biker that goes down in an accident, but to declare all 08 FBW bikes a death waiting to happen is ridiculous.



Equally ridiculous is believing that the electronic throttle is not only new, but a Harley innovation.

LdyMjo -> RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death (4/1/2008 6:32:34 PM)

I'm very sorry for the family's loss, and the road ahead for the wife.  Ripper, thank you for the post.  I am a new rider with approx. 650 on an 08 XL1200N and had my throttle stick yesterday in first.  I am not sure if my set up is the same, but I will have it looked at.  Yesterday I re-checked everything I was doing and there was nothing that should have been causing this.  I just thought hum, must be cold or something--idle sticking.  It seemed fine later in the day.  I hadn't heard of this problem with any HD model before.

And hey, captjohn37, WTF?  A head's up is an appropriate thing, and he's got a good reason to give us one.  I did not read a dark omen in this, just concern.  There is too much on this site that tries to blow off precautions because some folks don't want to hear it.  Some of us are grateful.  Lighten up.

  

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