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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/4/2008 5:13:32 AM

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Tick, attached is a screen shot of Data Mode from my Dyna running cal 67, 176AE104-A1. The injectors do shut off at low MAP. In this particular instance, they stayed off from 4153 rpm down to 2755 rpm where I opened the throttle to 1.4%.

Interesting. I never looked in that range before. I always looked below 3000 rpm because that is where I had issues with cal 78. There is definately a difference between them (67 and 78) and I have looked at data logs of 78 on several other bikes. I have not however reviewed logs from 67 on any other bikes but my own.

Regardless of whether the hidden tables could be tuned, it would nice to be able to see what is included in a base calibration file for nothing more than comparing the apples to the oranges.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/4/2008 10:43:15 AM

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Decel Enleanment is a group of things not just what your adjusting. There is decel cut off but it's part of the Decel Enleanment code set. I grouped it all together to keep it simple but I guess I should not have done that. There are plenty of things that could be displayed but at some point it just confuses most people that are trying to use the product. As we see a demand we can expand the information if we feel it will help but were trying to keep it so most tuners can use the product without the fear of screwing with things they do not understand.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/4/2008 11:43:39 AM

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I get it, but it there is tons of confusion with the current product between what is considered a softtail/dyna map (67) and a touring map (78). If the base files were explained at least about their core purpose then that would probably help quite a bit. Then a tuner would know that if they copied what they could see and used it with what they couldn't see then the only difference would be the core. So essentially what is a core 78 supposed to be good for in general versus a core 67 in this instance. For this example my understanding was 67 was for dual pipes regardless of softail/dyna or touring and 78 was for touring exhaust with slip ons. The way the current documentation is laid out, some tuners will not use 67 on a touring bike because it doesn't say it can be used in the instructions and that is not they way they were taught to do it at Harley tuning school.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/4/2008 5:47:06 PM

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HD tuning school doesn't really get into too much from what I've been told and only HD techs can go anyways. The maps should of been split by the motors but they chose to do it how it got done. There is really very little difference between any of the Twin cam maps. You can swap most any of them around without lots of trouble. The bigger problem is several different tuners doing the base calibration differently and you just have to work with what your given and go forward. One calibrator may decide to add spark in one area and another may not. Decel is really more about how it feels and is subjective at best. Some of the tables we've added allows you to get around some of these problems without trying to confuse everyone with too much information.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/5/2008 4:32:13 AM

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Your reply is the million dollar answer. I just wish that I could have had that last summer before spending months of aggravation and money before I finally got my bike tuned properly. I could not convince the local tuner to use calibration 67 to tune my bike because he swore it was for softtail/Dyna's only because that is how Harley trained him. As many know I had a decel pop that would never go away with cal 78 running Rinehart true duals (which many tuners use as the base). Once I got it tuned (67 as the base with 78 data) the bike ran as expected and I have never had a single decel pop - 3500 miles so far.

Again - I want to thank you for putting some added credibility to this area.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 5:34:32 AM

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So, what's the latest on the tts tuner? Any idea of a release date?

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 6:01:43 AM

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He may not be allowed to push his personal company here any more. Try his web site.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 1:50:39 PM

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Steve, If thats true, please email me when product is ready! I think thats pretty lame of this board if it IS true. If not true any member to put out this BS is a real idiot!

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 4:21:44 PM

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Push his product?, I hardly viewed it as that, if anything we have been trying to pull info from him.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 5:19:14 PM

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This is true.
Every time Steve and his crew look out of their windows they see the circling H-D vulture lawyers armed with contracts and non disclosure agreements waiting to swoop down the instant that they try to introduce a product that has the slightest chance of disclosing any proprietary information or trade secrets that may impact the financial future of Harley-Davidson and therefore the future of the free world.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 8:18:20 PM

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Leave it to Whittlebeast to spread more BS. What a jerk.

Right now we are just working on the corrections that the Beta testers have found. Not a lot but some things that needed to be changed. We really haven't had much in the way of real problems but a couple of the testers have gotten behind and we are waiting for there feedback. As for HD we are ready for them, they still cannot seem to remember it was and is our product not there's. It was ours before they ever sold it and it will be our into the future and there's not much they can do about it. The contracts they signed event told them about the ownership rights, but I'm sure they will try something once we release it.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 8:25:18 PM

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What part are you contesting? The free advertising? The hidden tables?

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 8:50:21 PM

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The Harley tuners deserve

1) access to all tables the have a direct impact on the drivability of the bike

2) access to the control values of the 02s

3) the direct support for wideband o2s (Innovate has programmable output that could be adapted)

4) compleate documentation including the units

5) good graphing software

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 8:52:53 PM

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You may think your ready, but they may come at you with something like this:

In the Sept 1939 issue of Popular Machanics Magazine where we described our proprietary new BelchFire carburator we used the term AFR to refer to the Absolute Fun Response that this new technology gives to H-D riders. The use by the defendant of this term violates our historic and prima facia copyright ownership of this term. We therefore seek an injunction preventing the plantiff from using it in any software, publication, users manual, or any other means of public disemination of said phrase.

It may be bullshit, but how's your legal budget?

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/10/2008 11:12:54 PM

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Whittlebeast

You being a Jerk is normal for you. Since you seem to have all the answers and know how everything works and what Tuners need I suggest you get busy and manufacture your own tuning system. That's what your trying to do anyways so why not just come out and say it. Better yet why haven't you install you beloved MegaSquirt and $hit canned the Delphi ECM? Then you could start selling a conversion kit along with your tuner kit.

Frisco42

The lawyers are the only ones that will make out that's for sure but they still have to deal with the contracts they signed that are now in question. Let's just say we covered our products pretty well before we allowed them to sell them.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/11/2008 3:05:02 AM

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Steve you know the old saying K.I.S.S. You know what you are doing... you created this prog to keep it simple,but with other options that the sert did not have... while other opinions/reviews are needed don't let other people make it complicated....as some will over do it with too many options... keep doing what you are doing..... Great job

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/11/2008 6:58:29 AM

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Yet one more personal attack. I have no desire to develope a system for the street riders as that is quite illegal per the EPA and CARB. There are just not enough racers out there on Harleys to justify the effort. Right now anyone could install a Megasquirt on a true race bike.

I just want you to develpe the software that your customers deserve for their money. You count on most of your ysers to not realize what is good.

The Harley tuners deserve

1) access to all tables the have a direct impact on the drivability of the bike

2) access to the control values of the 02s

3) the direct support for wideband o2s (Innovate has programmable output that could be adapted)

4) complete documentation including the units

5) good graphing software

6) retrieve the existing setup AND ALL fuel trims

7) reset ALL fuel trims with reflash

8) better control of AE (see points 1 and 4)

9) if this software truly is for support of the racers, provide support for boost, MAF and/or Alpha-N support

and please stop using "my customer base is too XXXXX and won't understand it" as an excuse.

AW

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/11/2008 7:32:57 AM

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Steve,
You have my full support. Your product will be the one to go for properly tuning the Delphi ECU.

Since day 1 you have been courtious and helpfull.

People seem to forget how truly advanced the stock computer is.

If Doc1 says it will be "all that and a bag of chips". Then im sold.

Please dont turn this thread into a fight thread. Nothing wrong with MS but its just a different market. Like the other 50 tuning boxes / ECUs out there. For me, this TTS product makes the most sense.

You can start a seperate thread on the virtues of the MS home built systems.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/11/2008 7:51:17 AM

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Donk

The SERT is the best available in the Harley world, but we deserve a great program, for $400 or more,
for one bike, now that Harley is out of the picture. I justified mine as access to the data stream and
the code reading ability. I found the reat of this as I played with the software and asked questions.

Regarding Doc, He has been very helpfull to everyone and his practical knowledge is huge. Steve is
the guy that holds the keys to the kingdom.

AW

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/11/2008 1:31:11 PM

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Steve,
What are the odds of releasing the software so we can test drive it? I understand we would still need your new dongle to make it work but at least if we could get a glimpse of how the software operates we could start becoming familiar with the new features.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/11/2008 2:26:44 PM

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Whittlebeast

I call it how I see it, if and when you quit acting the way you do here I will not call you a jerk any longer but until then.................. BTW calling someone for what they are is not an attack, it's a fact. If you do not like the product then do not buy it when its finished, I never asked you too. What we come out with will be what we have learned on our own. According to your post in other threads here on the site you seem to have some documentation of the inter workings of the HD ECM so like I said you can always make your own if you can. We are not going to try and do what you want so get over it already. Most of the field tuneups being done require far less then what you are asking for and if given too much they will screw things up and possible cost someone an engine. As was stated by another K.I.S.S. comes to mind here. We are giving the tuner what he needs to get the job done and help him as best we can, nothing more nothing less. The things you are asking for will only confuse the tuner with things they have no need to know. Maybe you need to go talk with people and listen to what they say, not what you want them to say. We've done that and are making the product they have asked for. Now that you know straight from us what we are and are not going to do please go elsewhere and cry about it to someone who cares.

Sorry guys but enough is enough. Hope your all having a good weekend.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/11/2008 2:34:41 PM

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I'm glad someone finally said that, Steve. Way overdue.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/11/2008 3:54:10 PM

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whittlebust... I am about through with these improper shenanigans that you are instigating... and your postings prove nothing except your own personal agenda....

This is your FINAL warning.... You either bring something CONSTRUCTIVE to the table, or consider yourself Persona Non Grata in this forum, capisce?????

Got a problem, cry to the mod... oh wait, that's me......

I have unlocked this particular thread, because a few members feel that I was unfair by locking it....

If there is anymore attitude brought forward, it will result in the thread being deleted, no questions....

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/14/2008 6:13:00 PM

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Bump...

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/14/2008 6:18:22 PM

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Hey Bob:

Thanks for lettin' this one live a little longer. Seems many are waiting for TTS to show their cards!

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/15/2008 6:12:28 AM

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Question: What are the requirements and what comes with the TTS Tuner? Will I need to purchase a SERT or will you guys have your own programmer?

Thanks,

Steve

Update: Nevermind, I have found out the answer by doing research. It is essentially the same as a SERT in that it comes with the interface and software.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/15/2008 10:02:09 PM

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Just to keep everyone up to date:

The testers found a few issues we missed and they have been fixed and new software issued to the testers that repair the bug, at least we hope so. If nothing new is reported over the next week we will begin to make all the new calibrations for the 2006 - 2008 O2 equipped bikes. Currently we've only finished the ones the Beta testers are using. Every time we change it means rewriting the calibrations so we've held back until they tell us they are happy. The product will work with our new calibrations as well as all the current .mt6 calibrations. I think I see light at the end of the tunnel but, is it day light or a train light?

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/16/2008 1:51:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Cole

Just to keep everyone up to date:

The testers found a few issues we missed and they have been fixed and new software issued to the testers that repair the bug, at least we hope so. If nothing new is reported over the next week we will begin to make all the new calibrations for the 2006 - 2008 O2 equipped bikes. Currently we've only finished the ones the Beta testers are using. Every time we change it means rewriting the calibrations so we've held back until they tell us they are happy. The product will work with our new calibrations as well as all the current .mt6 calibrations. I think I see light at the end of the tunnel but, is it day light or a train light?

The lights from heaven.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/17/2008 7:42:58 AM

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Thanks Bob, for re-opening. It has made very interesting and educational reading for me. Steve, here's hope for your success real soon.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/21/2008 11:16:12 AM

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I have another question. Steve, can you release the approximate price of this package? I can get the SERT 32107-01L (not packaged with software, but it's floating around the net) for right around $320. Another $30 for cables.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/21/2008 4:35:22 PM

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I do not currently have that information. If I were to guess it will be more than the 320 number you've posted.

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/25/2008 8:47:21 PM

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quote:

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I do not currently have that information. If I were to guess it will be more than the 320 number you've posted.

Upgrade path for current SERT owners??

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RE: TTS harley tuner - 5/26/2008 7:30:53 PM

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The upgrade path will come but not until the product is finished up. Currently everyone has reported no issues with the last upgrade we issued. We will shut down Beta test first of next week if no problems are reported. We can then finish the product up and get it ready to ship.

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