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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 5/16/2008 10:47:26 AM
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hardrider
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OK, You likely have a lifter that is having a hard time staying pumped up, I replace lifters in my bikes at 20,000 miles regardless. This is a very simple procedure. Once completed go back to 20/50 oil. Your dealer likely knows exactly what the problem is but does not want tot perform a service that doesn't pay, so, they will wait until there is catistrophic failure and there is more money in the warranty work. Change your lifters and you will fix the problem. (this is my diagnosis only, and don't want to hear any shit from anyone with a different opinion. Good Luck. Kevin.
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 5/18/2008 5:27:20 AM
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HARELY DAVIDSON = SHAKE ,RATTLE and ROLL !!! How sweet the sound ! Just ride baby just ride !!
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 5/19/2008 12:01:23 PM
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Bryan TTM
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shim the rockers
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 5/20/2008 6:24:30 AM
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Im still ridin and it still clatters. this coming weekend we are goin camping and pullin the trailer for the 1st time. when we get home top end comes off.will a pcIII allow me to adjust timing on a morelli injection system?so many questions so little time and money! thanks trev
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 5/20/2008 7:48:12 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: shoveltrev
Im still ridin and it still clatters. this coming weekend we are goin camping and pullin the trailer for the 1st time. when we get home top end comes off.will a pcIII allow me to adjust timing on a morelli injection system?so many questions so little time and money! thanks trev
Is your bike a 99? if so have you had the outer cam bearings replaced to the roller upgrade? Possible rear outer cam bearing failing.
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 5/31/2008 1:38:55 PM
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neonhomer
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Well, I sent my nastygram to HD... let's see what results or the lack of, it gathers...
Took my bike up to a Dynojet shop to have my PCIII USB's firmware upgraded, and I mentioned to one of the techs about my problem, and he was saying it could be piston slap.... great......
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/3/2008 2:23:14 PM
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neonhomer
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Well, I got a call from HD today. Pretty much, they told me if I want to take it to a dealer to have them go through it, but if they don't find anything wrong with it, then I am liable for the charges.
So either I have to sabotage the motor (any ideas) or just wait until the motor grenades. I am fed up with this thing. I am about ready to put this thing up for sale and start riding my Honda again.
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/3/2008 4:13:26 PM
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Post up a video clip of said noise...
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/3/2008 6:25:42 PM
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neonhomer
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I keep forgetting. Bad thing is the noise is more pronounced when riding. It seems the harder you turn the motor, the worst it gets.
I will try to do it this weekend. Out of town right now...
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/3/2008 7:22:46 PM
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My 05 clatters like a bieotch-much more than my 02 did. The 02 was a stage1 whereas my 05 is a stage2 95". The noise seems to come and go at various rpm ranges much like a loose lifter. Even my friend could hear it riding beside me. I put Mobile1 V-Twin and that seemed to help ever so slightly. I checked the cam specs and the pushrods, but they are not adjustable. However, the cams don't require adjustable pushrods. I most recently added 1/2qt of the Lucas syn oil additive and that quieted it down quite a bit. It's now about the same as my 02 was. Let me point out that I have put over 7k miles on it since I bought it 11 months ago and have banged on it pretty hard. My friend has a 05 SE Ultra 103, stage1 with PC and we run 0-110, dead even the whole way. I think some of the previous posts may have nailed it with shimming the rockers for side play and checking for the head casting for the pushrods rubbing the opening. BrianTTM has mucho experience building all sorts of engine combos.
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/3/2008 7:33:45 PM
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neonhomer
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Regardless of what the problem is, I still think the dealer should fix it, or at least look at the problem. The "We can't hear anything." is a cop-out.... I was pretty much told by the selling dealer's service manager to "enjoy it if you can, and ride it until it blows."
If I personally have to go into that motor, I am going to be pissed. Then I am going to take plenty of pictures and send copies to both the selling dealer AND the MoCo...
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/5/2008 8:09:37 AM
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shoveltrev
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as a ase certified auto tech i got lots of cool tools, one of those is a Steelman chassis ear. its 6 microphones mounted in alligater clips a control box allowing u to switch what mike your listening to through headphones, i rigged this thing up on my bike and rode it it around listening to various stuff. I have 4 distinct noises. They are 1. the rockers are making noise definate side clearance issue. 2. the pusrods on the rear intake and front exhaust is hitting the tubes. 3. the pistons are slapping, they are short skirted and this noise diminishes as the bike warms up,4. the compensater is knocking. got all new parts for this excpt the front sprocket. when i get every thing lined up parts wise i think i can eliminate all these noises except the piston slap. @ 40000 miles i can live with that.the ride it till it blows theory is hard to swallow. i know these noises drive me nuts and i dont care that other twin cams clatter too, Ive heard plenty that dont. moral of the story is Im glad i only have 8 grand in this ultra. and i can turn the stereo up!thanks trev
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/5/2008 4:34:20 PM
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neonhomer
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The noise is becoming distracting. I find myself listening more to the motor than relaxing and enjoying the ride.
I rode it home today from Daytona, and took the highway. Running 80MPH at 3500 RPM for 20 miles, and then getting on surface streets really makes this noise stand out. I could have sworn I head a slight knock when I pulled into Home Depot to pick up something. Yet, when I got back out, I didn''t hear it.
I guess I am going to have to tear the top end of the motor apart myself and find out what is up. Everybody says to shim the rockers. I have no idea what that is. I am fairly sure the pushrods aren''t rubbing anything, as I popped the tubes off the other day and didn''t feel them dragging on anything.
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/5/2008 5:34:19 PM
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Is a retired cop bike? \\;\\\\\\; Just wondering....I ride one at work. \\;\\\\\\; I wouldn''''t want mine after it was taken outta service.
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/6/2008 6:59:35 PM
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neonhomer
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Yep... retired from Marion County SO I believe.... Was turned in around 14k. 2nd owner put 10k on it... now I have it...
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/8/2008 5:37:24 PM
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neonhomer
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I did a video with my cell phone, but the sound quality sucks on it. It''s too dark to break out the digital camera and do a video with it. I don''t have a video camera.
Either that or I have to break out the laptop, microphone, and Adobe Audition.
Anyway, get this thing around 3,000 on the highway, and the noise gets worse. I am waiting for the motor to self-destruct....
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/16/2008 9:07:16 AM
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neonhomer
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http://www.neonhomersdomain.com/images/100_0382.avi
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 6/16/2008 9:07:49 AM
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neonhomer
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Video in DiVX format... kinda loud...
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 7/5/2008 1:54:28 PM
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neonhomer
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New development... I picked up a set of SE CVO catalyst mufflers from ebay a few weeks ago. Put them on and my exhaust got really quiet. I didn''t realize it until a few minutes later that the noise in the top end also got way quieter. Now I am really starting to wonder if there is something wrong with the valvetrain or not.
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 7/5/2008 6:17:55 PM
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\\;\\\\\\; I was going to ask for noise help also when I came upon your story. I have almost the same noise except mine raps when it is hot and it is especially noticeable at idle, if you shut the bike off for 5 minutes and then restart it the noise is barley noticeable but as it warms up those last few degrees it starts to rap. Last year I replaced everything from the lifters to the rockers and it still rapped then I pulled the rear head as that is where I had not been yet, well I found a valve guide that was chewed up causing the valve to stick, I had to drive the valve out with a hammer. So I installed a fresh head and guess what- you guessed it the noise is still there. I am now thinking about pulling the cams again to see if the lobe that was on the stickey valve is flat or damaged. As I said again I had the cams out last year and saw nothing. My other thought is a wrist pin or piston slap as it is most pronounced when hot \\;\\\\\\;.If anybody has any suggestions please lets hear them.This is also an 04 Electra Glide 10,000 miles
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 7/6/2008 10:43:33 AM
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neonhomer
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I Have heard that it could also be piston slap. From what I was told, Police bikes are "ridden hard and put up wet". The noise is just plain annoying.
Get around 3,000 plus on the highway and it really starts to show itself. Oh well.. if the motor lets go while I''m doing 70-80, it''s going to be a wild ride to the end...
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RE: Engine seems to tap TOO much... - 7/6/2008 5:36:04 PM
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Bryan TTM
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when i begin to diagnose a mechanical problem...i start simple, keeping in mind all the things i remember from past experiences....if its tic''n or tap''n, i try to figg''r out where, how loud, when it does it, &\\; does it matter....with all the responses and experience here....i''d look at the pushrods hitt''n the tubes, adjust the rocker stand, shim the rocker, set the lash correclty, seal the exhaust, tune the bike &\\; use amsoil or lucas....i''d do all those before thinkin its terminal....piston slap to me happens when its cold, due to poor warm up procedure, so if it gets worse at heat then i doubt thats the cause....its in the stack tolerances of the valvetrain....tighten em up
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thanks trev
