Next week, I'm riding about 600 miles and taking all interstates - I want to do the trip in one day.
In order to be 'left alone' while riding, I purchased a hip holster that rides lower off the belt so as to expose the the weapon from under the waste band of my jacket. By 'left alone' I mean that I just want to get where I'm going and not be hassled by bored interstate drivers that think motorcycles are a target.
I do hold a valid carry permit and all of the states that I'll pass throughhonor my state's permit. So, just before entering my destination state, which has no carry at all, I'll dis-arm and place the weapon in the tour pack. Here in Tennessee, the card allows for both exposed and concealed carry.
My question is this: has anyone had any experience with being stopped and 'carded' while riding in states that have carry laws and the weapon is in plain sight?
For the most part, the LEOs here feel that if the weapon is exposed, and the person carrying does not portray any characteristics of being a dead beat or nut case, then he/she more than likely has the proper credentials to carry and is left alone.
Is this the case in most states with carry laws? Thanks for your input.
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I'd say that your premise is flawed.
If you what to be "left alone", remain invisiable and realize that to most cagers you are invisiable.
What's most important is that you know that you are invisible to everyone else. It'll help keep your eyes wide open!
With all the shootings lately, you should concider that nearly everybody has a cell phone nowadays andI'll bet you get pulled over very soon and by many. After a bit of time eating the pavement, you may get your point across that you have a permit to carry concealed. What will you tell them when the ask, "Why then isn't your firearm concealed?" Will you say, "So you won't be hassled by bored interstate drivers that think motorcycles are a target!"
What are you going to do, shoot the first cage that gets to close to you?
If not, why would you think that you have a fool proof plan?
You just frighten the sheep that are already scared to death.
I do think that you would make a Lawyer happy though!
Like it or not, there is a stigma on those that choose to ride.
There is also a stigma on those that have firearms, especiallyexposed firearms.
Mix the two and it will be a toxic mixon the hi-ways and bi-ways of America.
LEO's have protocol on everything, including exposed firearms.
I'd say most LEO's don't understand the love of riding and I'd say that a general dislike for bikers is a fact, even towards the LEO riding groups by the LEO's that don't ride.
Also, this world has it's share of lo-life liers and it would only take one to say that you brandished your firearm at them and man, I'll tell where you'd be spending the night, or the whole weekend.
Most states require that if you have a concealed firearm and are pulled over or stopped for any reason that you MUST tell that Officer immediately. He may or may not ask you for your firearm during the time he talks to you.
We're losing our rightsfor firearm ownership by the minute, in my opinion your plan is one of the reasons why.
don't scatter the sheep, they just get more crazy!
chappy
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Next week, I'm riding about 600 miles and taking all interstates - I want to do the trip in one day.
In order to be 'left alone' while riding, I purchased a hip holster that rides lower off the belt so as to expose the the weapon from under the waste band of my jacket. By 'left alone' I mean that I just want to get where I'm going and not be hassled by bored interstate drivers that think motorcycles are a target.
I do hold a valid carry permit and all of the states that I'll pass throughhonor my state's permit. So, just before entering my destination state, which has no carry at all, I'll dis-arm and place the weapon in the tour pack. Here in Tennessee, the card allows for both exposed and concealed carry.
My question is this: has anyone had any experience with being stopped and 'carded' while riding in states that have carry laws and the weapon is in plain sight?
For the most part, the LEOs here feel that if the weapon is exposed, and the person carrying does not portray any characteristics of being a dead beat or nut case, then he/she more than likely has the proper credentials to carry and is left alone.
Is this the case in most states with carry laws? Thanks for your input.
I am under the impression that most states, concealed weopon means concealed. If it shows you can actually be arrested for disturbing the peace. My state allows for fully visible, but some States teach very strongly that CONCEAL MEANS CONCEALED, and thats about the way they yell it. Be Careful.
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Yea, I don't know about this. I think your best advantage in any bad-guy scenerio is to be concealed.
Personally, I would be the MOST respectful during interstate travel by keeping my piece concealed. An LEO on a bad day hearing about an out-of-state dude on a motorcycle with a suspected gun sticking out somewhere, may make his day.
I agree with chappy, I think you would be raising concern more than raising support.
RMBLON - You are correct, to many states that do allow concealed carry, it is just that - it must be concealed and reasonable effort is to made to keep it concealed. However, Tennessee is not one of those states and from what research I've been able to do, the states I'm traveling through are the same. The whole idea is that ifthe weapon is visible from the start, it is not a case of retaliation or 'brandishing' as it is termed. In other words, if it's in plain view then let the aggresor be aware.
CHAPPY - "...your premise is flawed". Really? Then I guess the whole idea offering a peaceful deterrent is "flawed". While I'm sure you took your time to type your reply - it was wasted. Either you do not come from a state with a carry law, or you misseda segment or moreof the mandated classes that definethe role and responsibilities of holding this privelage.
No, I'm not going to "shoot the firstcage that comes close to me". Again, that's another section of the class that you must have missed. I have the obligation, when confronted with a situation where a retreat is possible, to do so. The whole idea of a carry law is to allow the legally empowered citizen to excersize his/her right to defend themselves when illegally put into a life threatening situation. To many, the mere sight of an individual with a lawful lethal weapon gives those that harbor ill thoughts and intentionscause to pause and reconsider what the consequences of their devious thoughts might be. They collect their thoughts and move on to some other 'easier' target. And, this may come as surprise to you,the vast majority ofLEOs know the facts and statistics and support the legally armed citizen - motorcycle rider or otherwise. Yes, I may get stopped because of either an upset soccer mom or the 'lo-life' liars (not spelled 'liers'), but following a very quick radio/computer check, I'll be on my way.
This is not a debate. I asked for feed back from those that openly carry and have experience on the highways. And judging from your reply, you have not. Only my observation, but with the type of fear inducing words used in your reply you may well be an activist for the Brady Bunch.
As a matter of record, BOTH of my sons are sworn LEOs (one for a county and one for a municipality)and both feel that there may be some slight risk for a pull over and check of credentials, but again, the LEOs in those states that allow carry and have reciprocity know that the risks are low with someone that is 'in the open' with their legal weapon. Besides, the risk of ending-up in a ditch or splattered over a guard rail may be worth it and that is the reason for this post.
RMBLON - You are correct, to many states that do allow concealed carry, it is just that - it must be concealed and reasonable effort is to made to keep it concealed. However, Tennessee is not one of those states and from what research I've been able to do, the states I'm traveling through are the same. The whole idea is that ifthe weapon is visible from the start, it is not a case of retaliation or 'brandishing' as it is termed. In other words, if it's in plain view then let the aggresor be aware.
CHAPPY - "...your premise is flawed". Really? Then I guess the whole idea offering a peaceful deterrent is "flawed". While I'm sure you took your time to type your reply - it was wasted. Either you do not come from a state with a carry law, or you misseda segment or moreof the mandated classes that definethe role and responsibilities of holding this privelage.
No, I'm not going to "shoot the firstcage that comes close to me". Again, that's another section of the class that you must have missed. I have the obligation, when confronted with a situation where a retreat is possible, to do so. The whole idea of a carry law is to allow the legally empowered citizen to excersize his/her right to defend themselves when illegally put into a life threatening situation. To many, the mere sight of an individual with a lawful lethal weapon gives those that harbor ill thoughts and intentionscause to pause and reconsider what the consequences of their devious thoughts might be. They collect their thoughts and move on to some other 'easier' target. And, this may come as surprise to you,the vast majority ofLEOs know the facts and statistics and support the legally armed citizen - motorcycle rider or otherwise. Yes, I may get stopped because of either an upset soccer mom or the 'lo-life' liars (not spelled 'liers'), but following a very quick radio/computer check, I'll be on my way.
This is not a debate. I asked for feed back from those that openly carry and have experience on the highways. And judging from your reply, you have not. Only my observation, but with the type of fear inducing words used in your reply you may well be an activist for the Brady Bunch.
As a matter of record, BOTH of my sons are sworn LEOs (one for a county and one for a municipality)and both feel that there may be some slight risk for a pull over and check of credentials, but again, the LEOs in those states that allow carry and have reciprocity know that the risks are low with someone that is 'in the open' with their legal weapon. Besides, the risk of ending-up in a ditch or splattered over a guard rail may be worth it and that is the reason for this post.
news for u mr. self rightous - "feedback" can constitute opposing points of view thus a "debate".
Its obvious u haven't been around here much to experience this phenomenon.
I see ur reason'g for open carry (bold abv), however,that doesn't diminish the beauty of the "concealled concept"
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what did u expect when u posted? better yet, why did u even bother? [:@]
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Re-read my initial and follow-up posts - I asked for thecomments of those that have actual experience with exposed weaponsand have been stopped. PERIOD.
Not self-righteous (not spelled 'rightous' Rebel Ryder), just looking for answers. If you want to debate an issue or talk about your Grandma's peach cobbler, don't hijack mine, start your own thread.
As for my experience on any forum, I'm not looking towards setting a record and obtaining the lovely status of having the most posts, stars, and titles. I post only when I have a questionor a pertinent answer. Unfortunately, many postershave to wade through the crap to get an answer. A lot of folks will read this and other threads because they too, have the same questions and just want the answer - not a lot of near or distant misses.
If you can't share your experience as requested, then move on to another thread.
Yeah, I agree! Were you looking to pick a fight or something? Tells a LOT about the kind of guy you are I think, and if you go strapping on a piece hanging out there in the wind you're going to get eaten alive!!!
I'm a life NRA member, concealed carrier, and a committed gun advocate...people pulling stunts like this one are the reason the sheep are freaking out!
Get real, tough guy, before somebody gets you real the hard way.[:@]
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Even though the state may say open carry is legal, if you do you'll almost certainly get rolled(pulled over).
Here in Michigan it is 'legal' to open carry, but believe me(from experience), if you try it you will get a visit from the local PD.
Now here's my 2 cents, if you don't have a good IWB holster, get one and use it.
And try your best(sometimes this does not always work, I know from experience)to keep it concealed.
Remember, concealed carry permit, is for just that, concealed.
JMO
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