RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 7:48:40 AM
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jbnl163
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I guess none of you have pushed the speed limit to stay ahead of, or get out of, a bad storm?
Many, many, times !!
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 7:53:40 AM
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rfranz1952
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I don't know of many storms that move 80 mph. 45-50 at best, I'd say you got what you deserved, and I don't live in Kansas.
THere are strorms that move 80 mph. They are called hurricanes.
I most respectfully disagree. Hurricanes typically move forward at 10 mph or less. They contain winds that can blow at 175 mph or more, but the storm is moving forward very slowly.
A plains thunderstorm may sumetimes move forward as fast as 50 mph, but more typical speeds are 20 to 30 mph. Ditto for Tornados. And like a hurricane, both types of storms can include winds greatly in excess of their forward speed.
I know a number of police officers and troopers, some of whom also ride motorcycles-with loud pipes, yet. As with any profession or avocation (including bikers) some are jerks, some are nice guys. It doesn't matter what the state is, either.
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Fair warning: If you can't stand sarcasm, stop reading now!
And about State bashing, we all can pick on stereotypes about any state . By the way, there really isn't much corn in Kansas--that's Iowa, along with the pig farms. Iowa really does stink. And Missouri and Arkansas--they're full of hillbillys all of whom have inbred and have three teeth missing from drinking to much moonshine. And why does Oklahoma have a panhandle? Well, every toilet needs a flusher. California? New York? Tip the country, and all of the nuts roll to the coasts. East coast people are rude, and Southerner's are friendly but ignorant. Floridians are all on Social Security. If you're from Minnesota, your diet is limited to hot dish and lutefisk , don't you know? And if you're from Texas? Well, this forum's just not big enough to go on about Texas. On and on and on?
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I've been to a lot of places in this country, and have found that people are pretty much the same everywhere. Most people are pretty good most of the time, but everybody has bad days, and some are just jerks by birth or training.
I read and hear a lot about "respect" on this forum--but I also see a lot of disrespect. Usually, we will get accused of disrespect if we disagree with somebody. There is a difference. Making fun of someone because of what they choose to ride or where they are from is disrespect. A disagreement about helmet use, or loud pipes, or what carburater to use is disagreement--not disrespect. Crowing because you blew someone away at a stoplight because they were on an "inferior" (anything different than mine) bike is disrespect. Sharing that you prefer the look of a Dyna to that of a softtail is not disrespteful of the softail rider--it is simply an expression of personal taste and that is different for every individual. How boring would it be if we didn't have those differences.
It's really kind of amusing--the biker "creed" is about how independant we all are, what individuals we are, and how we are "putting it to the man", but as soon as one of us breaks lockstep--perhaps by favoring a helmet law, or some other heresy--all h**l breaks loose. We are apparently "independant" only as long as we are like everybody else, and question nothing
If you run 80 mph on a road where the speed limit is less, you run the risk of a ticket--in any state in the union. If you snot off the officer, you just doubled that risk. No, that doesn't mean that everyone who runs 80 will get a ticket. If the officer is responding to an accident, they are probably going to take the highest priority first.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 8:01:53 AM
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I've ridden in Kansas for the past 25+ years, and also in the Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas areas, and during that time I've never had any more of a problem with various police agencies than when riding anywhere else.
In fact, in the Eastern and Southeast areas of the state (in which I frequent often) I've found most local small town LEO's to be very fair and professional. But then again, if I am breaking the law and get caught all I can say is shit happens, and I just take responsibility for my actions.
Also, springtime in the lower midwest is noted for it's severe weather and super cells that pop up all the time (goes with the territory), but it's very seldom that any of these super cells or storm fronts will travel at a speed of more than 50 MPH.
We constantly watch the weather conditions while on runs, and if there is a chance of getting caught in a cell that might produce hail, tornado's, or strong winds we just find a place that has a covered area and just wait for the storm to pass, as they usually only last for a few minutes.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 8:05:15 AM
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Just an FYI for you folks...some LE folks could verify this one as well, but in most cases your typical traffic stops will generally take 20-30 minutes if not more. You would think it would be justaquick simple thing, pull vehicle over, run the plates, get out of car, issue ticket/verbal warning, get back in squad and go. Unfortunately it's not that simple...it takes a bit of time to get information back from dispatch/computer system on vehicle registration, not only that but they then have to wait on the driver's information such as outstanding warrants and the like.
I can't blame you for being upset about being held up by johnny law when you are trying to outrun a bad storm...have been caught in similar situations myself (less the lawman). All you can do in these situations unfortunately is bite the bullet and pay the ticket should you get stopped for speeding. Kansas isn't the only state you can find yourself in that situation...it can honestly happen just about anywhere.
Speaking as a Kalifornia LEO, if you are taking 20-30 minutes on a traffic stop you better have arrested the driver of the car and your doing the inventory search while you're are waiting for the tow truck. Kalifornia judges frown on lengthy traffic stops. Well after all we are on the Liberal left coast.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 8:54:58 AM
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if you had on your rubie riding boots and clicked your heels together 3 times while saying there is no place like home you and your little dog toto wouldnt of been in that mess
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What I love about this forum is someone will always cut thru the BS and get right to the heart of the matter. Clicking your heels together in front of the cop would have been perfect. .....LOL...sometimes coffee in the nostrils is worth it.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 2:10:04 PM
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Don't pay the dang ticket. Then you will be a wanted man and that much closer to a 1%er. Besides, if your not going back to that state you'll never get caught.
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That's not true - 5/11/2008 3:51:49 PM
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I recently was stopped for doing 80 mph on I-470 through Topeka in a 65 zone. I was polite, the HP officer was professional, and wrote me up for 75 so it isn't considered a moving violation for insurance purposes. No complaints from me on this one. If my stupid Kuryakin mirrors weren't so small and worthless maybe I would have seen the highway patrol cruiser in my rear view mirrors as I was rolling past the traffic. With gasoline so high a lot of these gas guzzling monster pickups and SUV's drive like it is still 55 mph days to save fuel. My car gets 29 mpg and my bike gets around 50 so I always seem to be passing people driving these huge trucks now. The Topeka police are actually motorcycle friendly if you aren't being stupid or trying to show what a bad a** you are. I've ridden a lot of miles for a lot of years by myself and with the HOG club in Kansas and haven't had problem one that wasn't of my own making.
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RE: That's not true - 5/11/2008 4:48:45 PM
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stro1965
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I gotta say it's refreshing to read a thread where the majority of folks are pro-police or at least understand that when a cop writes a ticket he isn't necessarily being an ass, he's doing his job. I won't hold my breath for the next one, but THIS one is refreshing!
CSI Topeka is on a road trip but I'm sure he'll get a kick out of this when he reads it.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 4:53:27 PM
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conroskie
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I don't know of many storms that move 80 mph. 45-50 at best, I'd say you got what you deserved, and I don't live in Kansas.
THere are strorms that move 80 mph. They are called hurricanes.
In Kansas???
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 5:06:41 PM
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Every state has good cops and bad cops. Good cops give warnings. Bad cops write tickets.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 5:10:47 PM
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Every state has good cops and bad cops. Good cops give warnings. Bad cops write tickets.
Dammit. I guess I was a bad cop today.
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RE: That's not true - 5/11/2008 5:45:56 PM
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I gotta say it's refreshing to read a thread where the majority of folks are pro-police or at least understand that when a cop writes a ticket he isn't necessarily being an ass, he's doing his job. I won't hold my breath for the next one, but THIS one is refreshing!
CSI Topeka is on a road trip but I'm sure he'll get a kick out of this when he reads it.
If your speeding, you deserve the ticket. The only time I would POSSIBLY expect different, is if I was trying to get someone to a hospital, their LIFE was in danger, and no ambulance was available. And even then, your STILL BREAKING THE LAW. So if the cop chooses to ticket you, so be it. Although I suspect in that circumstance, most police would offer to clear the way for you.
I hate tickets. I've had my share, and the funny thing is, every damn time it was MY fault. Not the cop. People seem to think those signs on the side of the road are a SUGGESTION or something. It amazes me when I'm doing the limit, and people FLY by me like I am standing still.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 5:54:48 PM
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Every state has good cops and bad cops. Good cops give warnings. Bad cops write tickets.
Dammit. I guess I was a bad cop today.
Sorry, Kurt. It was meant to be read sarcastically.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 6:30:46 PM
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Speaking as a Kalifornia LEO, if you are taking 20-30 minutes on a traffic stop you better have arrested the driver of the car and your doing the inventory search while you're are waiting for the tow truck. Kalifornia judges frown on lengthy traffic stops. Well after all we are on the Liberal left coast.
Kalifornia. The home of law enforcement professionalism and efficiency! Brought to us courtesy of Rodney King and OJ Simpson. Liberal indeed!
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 6:47:17 PM
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Don't pay the dang ticket. Then you will be a wanted man and that much closer to a 1%er. Besides, if your not going back to that state you'll never get caught.
Good advice, as long as you don't mind your home state suspending your drivers license.....
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 7:17:54 PM
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Yeah don't love those cops that don't know how to ride a moped let alone a harley they should send them to anger management .some of those guys should'nt be allowed to carry a single bullet let alone a tin star
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 7:37:46 PM
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So, because 1 cop wrote you a ticket for something you admit you were doing wrong.... you have ASSumed that all cops in Kansas, AND that the state itself is bad, and you'll NEVER ride through Kansas again because of your experience????
Okay, I can live with that. Say hello to the LEO's in Nebraska and Oklahoma for us....
Well, on that point alone, he does have a point. 
LOL... ...okay, okay.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/11/2008 8:02:21 PM
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I really dislike lllinois, and all the BS that goes on in that assinine state. I would ride in Iowa, or any other (even Kansas) before I'd stay any longer than I had to in Illinois. I live here, and I hate it. I work in Iowa, and ride primarily in Iowa too. I buy my gas there, as well as my food. My wife is from here, otherwise, I'd make a pilot take an alternate route if I could, just to not even fly over this state. What were we talking about again.
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/12/2008 5:19:10 AM
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rfranz1952
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Something that the professor never did share: He was running from the storm, got and got stopped for a half hour. Did the storm ever catch him?
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RE: Kansas Cops not biker friendly - 5/12/2008 9:08:20 AM
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I guess none of you have pushed the speed limit to stay ahead of, or get out of, a bad storm?
Not knockin' anyone for speeding, just saying if you're gonna speed why complain about a ticket? As for speeding yeah I do it myself, but you'll never see me come on here and complain about getting ticketed. As for speeding to "get out of, a bad storm" if it's bad enough that I don't want to be in it I'm certainly not going to speed to get out of it.
There is a legitimate defense in common law and it applies everywhere in the US. It's called the "Lesser of two evils" defense. No joke.
Say you were going the wrong way down a one-way street, but your reason was that you happened upon a bank robbery in progress, the robbers were shooting at you and your only escape route was against that one-way. You'd have a dimn good argument and probably would be found "not guilty" by almost any jury, right?
In fact, your attorney would probably ask the Court for summary judgement against the citation.
I'd at least write to the judge and make my argument, most respectfully of course, and I'd mention the lesser of two evils as my defense. Judges like law, you know. Who knows - maybe the judge has tried to get away from a storm, too.
While I agree with your analogy here, he was detained 30 minutes and the "evil" storm still didnt catch him!
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