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XiED - 5/11/2008 10:25:53 AM
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Jessie
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Any one no what this is all about and what it replaces and takes the place of it sounds to me like I can keep my K&N stock replacement filter and not need a PC III or fuel PAC with my V/H slipon's( They sound great ) please let me know Gentleman ?
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 1:47:09 PM
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labfreak
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IED's plug into the O2 sensor line, easy to do, go to www.nightrider.com and get more info. I have them on my bike changes AFR to a richer condition in closed loop mode.
In the tech forums you'll find a long thread on this in EFM, etc.
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 2:28:33 PM
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jluvs2ride
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I researched the alternatives. This seemed to be the easiest, most cost effective approach after reading NightRider's page. I had a few question which he promptly answered by e-mail. I just put them on today, I'll let you know after some riding.
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 2:29:25 PM
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ghostd00d
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Curious to know just where the connectors are. Anyone got pics? I traced my 02 sensor and did not find the plug they were talking about.
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 2:58:14 PM
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jluvs2ride
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Very easy, like labfreak says. Locate the O2 sensor on each pipe and trace the wire back. On my bike (an FXDF) the front connector is in a small box on the inside of the frame under the voltage regulator. Examine the box, there are two little clips that when pressed together make the box flip open. The connector for the rear pipe is under the seat. XIED stands for Xtreme Inline Enrichment Device.
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 3:35:03 PM
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I have the Xieds on my bike. My take on it is they lower the fuel ratio to 13.8 : 1 in closed loop mode. Closed loop mode is when the engine is at an idle or cruising. So in theory if you did not do the download you will be too lean during acceleration. You should be ok at idle or cruise. I'm no expert but thats my opinion.
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 3:50:05 PM
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ghostd00d
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I have the Xieds on my bike. My take on it is they lower the fuel ratio to 13.8 : 1 in closed loop mode. Closed loop mode is when the engine is at an idle or cruising. So in theory if you did not do the download you will be too lean during acceleration. You should be ok at idle or cruise. I'm no expert but thats my opinion.
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I heard it was just the oppisite. That it actually makes you run just a bit richer so that the engine stays cooler. www.nightriders.com actually says it is 14:2 from 14:7. But then I have the 06 Dyna which is different than the others.
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 4:36:15 PM
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Make that 36 PAGES with only ONE unhappy customer! 
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 5:42:05 PM
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Zevron
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Niterider Ieds change the ratio from 14.7:1 to 14.2:1. Xieds change it to 13.8:1.
Read this http://www.nightrider.com/parts/ or the 37 page thread.
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 5:59:28 PM
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ghostd00d
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Zevron
Niterider Ieds change the ratio from 14.7:1 to 14.2:1. Xieds change it to 13.8:1.
Read this http://www.nightrider.com/parts/ or the 37 page thread.
Unfortunately I am an 06 so I have to order the Dyna Oied which only takes me to 14.2.1
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 6:53:47 PM
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jlb0038
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Hey all, here are my experiences for the past week, so if I can save someone the same headache then its worth it.
I put them on my 07 Street Bob. I first tried them on with my K&N and Fat Cat after running the PCIII. I tried just about every canned map to make it run right, but never felt smooth enough, so I was always chasing my tail, which is why I got the XIEDs.
Took off the PCIII and installed the XIEDs. They were not able to compensate for the kind of flow that the 2-1 and upgraded airbox had. Ran too lean. Had alot of surging, decel pop and heat. I then ran them with the stock airbox and Fat Cats. Ran alot better. The XIEDs have much better throttle response and run so smooth. I used a infrared thermometer and noticed an idling temp on the front cylinder of 324 degress. It was a 70 degree day and had rode about 20 miles. I know now that is not a good way to measure engine temps, but with no way of measuring oil temps, it is what I went with. I got nervous, because of the temps, so I decided to take off the Fat Cat and put back on my stock headers with S/E II slip ons and K&N. I also changed out my oil for AMSOIL full synthetic. Again ran very smooth, but now was without the same sound and pull of the Fat Cat. The temps were about 20 degrees cooler at the same spot, which could have been due to the full synthetic. At that time I still did not know that the temps I was taking were not very reliable. I was pointing the laser just left of the spark plug. So, I took back off the stock pipes, S/E IIs and put back on my Fat Cat and PCIII with the K&N (wher I had started). I am running a map that FuelMoto sent me for a 2-1 and after my experiences with the XIEDs, its running decent. Not as good as the XIEDs, but I wanted to run the upgraded airbox with my Fat Cat for performance purposes. I have since found out that the infrared temps I was taking on the cylinder heads does not show actual engine temps.
My final thoughts if you're able to figure out what the heck I just typed: The bike runs best with the XIEDs. Runs smooth, crisp and performance is good. You may be able to get away with an upgraded air kit and slip ons, but you will be pushing it. If you're gonna run a full aftermarket exhaust with the stock airbox, you should be ok. An upgraded airkit with full aftermarket exhaust is not a good idea, will probably run too lean. Definetly if you have a 2-1.
If you're looking for a smoother, cooler running engine with crisp throttle response and more noise, use the XIEDs with stock airbox and slip ons and your bike will run better than stock and any aftermarket fuel management system you can buy. Again, some are running slip ons with an upgraded airkit and are having great results. You'll have to experiment yourself. If you're looking to get all the HP and TQ out of your motor then a fuel management system with dyno tune is probably what your after.
Hope this helps someone out. PM me if you have questions or if this doesn't make any sense.
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 7:16:58 PM
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labfreak
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If you're gonna run a full aftermarket exhaust with the stock airbox, you should be ok. An upgraded airkit with full aftermarket exhaust is not a good idea, will probably run too lean. Definetly if you have a 2-1.
There is still some debate on this,... I am awaiting word from Steve at Nightrider, as I am one with "transient ECM codes" P0131 and P0151..running stg1 download, K&N hi flo AC and Python2-1.
I took out my baffle and the codes go away, but bike runs better with it in,better torque at mid range.
There is talk of valve over-lap issues and IED's, need to change the cams....??
I leave my IED's on as I can FEEL the improvement and the codes come and go, my plugslook toasty brown and fuel milage still down t about 44 from 46, a good sign. I don't worry about the codes.
I did not get the codes until Iput on the 2-1's
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RE: XiED - 5/11/2008 7:20:59 PM
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lakeboi
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Running Rinehart slipons, SE AC and the Stage 1 download. I'm thinking about adding the Xieds. Anybody have experience adding to this setup?
Bike screams now but does pop on decel some....and feels pretty hot.
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RE: XiED - 5/12/2008 8:05:00 AM
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jlb0038
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Lakeboi,
With my experience you should be a perfect candidate for the XIEDs. With your set up it should make a significant difference. It should get rid of your popping, give you crisper throttle response and all around smoother running motor.
Labfreak,
I'm glad your having better results. My plugs were greyish white with my K&N and 2-1. Did not run well once it reached riding temps. My front cylinder temps while idling were 334 (with infrared thermometer). I could definetly tell things weren't running well. When I switched back to the stock airbox my plugs were like yours, a nice tannish color. I don't think there would too much of a pipe difference between the Python and D&D. Have you tried running the stock airbox with your 2-1?? I put back on my PCIII, but I'm thinking of switching back to stock airbox and XIEDs. I miss the smoothness. I'm definetly keeping my 2-1, so any decisions I make will be centered around that.
I'm not interested in changing out the cams in mine. I would rather run the PCIII than go through all that, at least right now. I think I would rather get a dyno tune than do all that.
If my statement about running aftermarket full exhaust and hi flow A/C with XIEDs running too lean is wrong, I apologize. Its just my experiences that I'm going by..
J.B.
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RE: XiED - 5/12/2008 1:07:56 PM
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labfreak
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ghostd00d
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ORIGINAL: Zevron
Niterider Ieds change the ratio from 14.7:1 to 14.2:1. Xieds change it to 13.8:1.
Read this http://www.nightrider.com/parts/ or the 37 page thread.
Unfortunately I am an 06 so I have to order the Dyna Oied which only takes me to 14.2.1
Zevron,
The DYN Oied's are going to 14.3:1
jlb0038,
No sweat,bro, I enjoy a healthy debate!
Stephen just sent me the DYN Oied's for a 14.3:1 AFR,
He knows my set up and issues, I am hapy to be a "beta-site" ( did I say guinea pig  ?)
Anyway, I am giving these a try and I'll report back.
To all:
IED's are an awesome upgrade for the money, there seems to be some issues when you are running 2-1 and Hiflo AC, but these are being worked out, nightrider is one of the most helpful and customer oriented operations I hve ever dealt with!
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RE: XiED - 5/12/2008 6:56:44 PM
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Skitzer
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I'm running the Xied's with V&H straight shots and the K&N high flow replacement filter. The bike runs great, smooth at idle, more mid range power and the sound is deeper. Most importantly it doesn't overheat anymore ..... stays cool even when idling in traffic for long periods of time. I for one am sold on these little gems. I plan on doing the Stage 1 download and then dyno it next weekend weather permitting.
Great bang for buck.
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