1970's a puker
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/11/2008 3:49:45 PM
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piniongear
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Did it puke last year when you were riding it regularly!
If so, then you have a problem. If not, then you just have a build up of oil in the bottom end, leaked over the winter.
Continue to run it and let all of it be expelled on the floor. Be sure to keep the tank level at the correct heigth though.
You may want to buy a new ball and spring for the pump.
If you do that, take the new ball and insert it into the end of the housing. Take a small flat nose punch and tap it lightly with a hammer to 'seat' this new ball. Install the spring and you should be good to go......pg
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/12/2008 4:08:00 AM
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Hermit53
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Thanks Pinion. Last year was one of them de-vorce things. Find a place, move everything, lose everything, lose shop (income)... It was probably a storage issue last year too, I didn't get to ride regular, little at all. There was no leaking out of it this year until it was well warmed and I goosed it. While at idle, it's on the kickstand. May be why it didn't pump out. Maybe it was just more in there that found it's way out when I stood it straight and twisted it. I'll try again today or tomorrow and get back with the result. Hermit
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/12/2008 6:35:20 AM
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Hermit53
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Just thought of something. The oil it began to puke after warmup was fresh clean oil. I'll order a ball and spring first. Hermit
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/24/2008 1:00:03 PM
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Hermit53
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Manual came, new ball and spring. All fixed, thank you. The ball and seat were in fine shape (to the nikid eye) but the old spring had shortened a good bit over the last 38 years or so. I don't think it had 2/3 the tension of the new spring.
Now to order a new primary gasket and then back on the road, didn't notice how bad that was leaking, upperer rear section below batt box between the 2 studs. Cover has seen better days (hole seats cracked, chunks gone). I have a spare cover that is somewhat better. Think JP has a new one, it's like $90 or so. That would be a treat. Hermit
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/24/2008 1:21:21 PM
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piniongear
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I'd try the spare cover. I would not buy a new one at $90.
Glad to hear the new spring and ball fixed the oil leakage into the crankcase and the puking. Just remember, if the bike sits for a long time without being run, that chance of oil getting past this new ball and spring are still great. If it loads up now, just run the engine until it stops and top off the oil tank level with new oil.
Run it once every two weeks and you will not have a problem.......pg
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/25/2008 5:18:28 AM
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When you guys are talking about puking, does this mean misting oil from the vent tube at the bottom right of the case? The reason I ask is I feel like my bike is spraying more than just a mist, I can always tell where my bike was parked when I leave it idling. Someone told me that a lite mist is normal, but you dont want more than this? How big of a deal is this? I am wanting to just get my bike running properly for right now, so one problem at a time. I really need to get a service manual!
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/25/2008 6:10:23 AM
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Yes, that tube coming from under the generator end of the timing cover is what we are talking about.
You may want to do what Hermit53 just did.....buy yourself a new ball and spring for the pump.
Oil should not be blown out the tube.
You also need to get the Harley Service Manual for your bike. It has all the answers inside......pg
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/25/2008 11:00:59 AM
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Hey hermit.Are you talking a new primary cover for $90.If so I'd buy all I could at that price for resale.My catalog shows them over $200.
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/26/2008 2:22:51 PM
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Hermit53
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Hey hermit.Are you talking a new primary cover for $90.If so I'd buy all I could at that price for resale.My catalog shows them over $200.
Sorry Joe. That price must have went the same place my mind did. I'm sure I remembered that but when I looked I saw the $200 give or take a bit also. Hermit
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/29/2008 1:50:01 PM
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Ok Pinion I think I am having this same issue. But Im confused a bit I dont have a tube coming from just a hollow looking nut. When riding it has been spiiting out onto the exhuast. until yesterday when I kicked it alive and oil avctually spilled out onto the ground about a half cup or so. this was the first time oil qactually spilled out. I took this hollow nut off and there are no mechanics to it? is this ball and spring you are talking about inside more or just missing? Do I need to drain the oil and take the whole cover off? I know Look at the manual I have one coming lol
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/29/2008 1:58:00 PM
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That is the drive for a mechanical tach. Yours is just capped off. I take it you are running either no tach or an electric one. You can see my tach cable coming out in the pic below.
The "puke tube" they are referring to is this one.
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/29/2008 2:11:45 PM
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chrisp
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ah yes skinner thanks. yeah it has no tach. the pic was to show the oil breather tube or lack there of under the generator end of the timing cover.
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/29/2008 2:40:07 PM
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piniongear
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Chrisp.....
Ok Pinion I think I am having this same issue. But Im confused a bit I dont have a tube coming from just a hollow looking nut.
Someone removed the tube. The tube is nothing more than a piece of metal tube with a flare on the nut end and opened at the other end. No mechanical things involved.
See item 15 and 16 in the parts spread attached.
Don't try to drain oil out of the crankcase. Just run the engine and let it puke it out. If it continues to puke and you are running the bike on a regular basis, then that means the oil is leaking past the spring pressure on the check ball. You will need a new ball and a new spring to fix that condition, just as Hermit53 did...........pg
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/29/2008 2:42:28 PM
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Screw a hose bung into that breather hole at the bottom of the round part of the cam cover, attach a hose to it, and run it back under the bottom of the engine. Or you could buy another stock chrome tube breather assembly. Some oil will probably blow out from time to time (especially after the bike has sat a week or two, or during high speed riding), and this will keep it from getting all over your motor.
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/29/2008 4:01:11 PM
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chrisp
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thanks again guys I think I will make one out of some stainless tubing I have around the shop
Pinion is the spring and ball in that diagram? and how do I go about replacing it?
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/29/2008 5:07:19 PM
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piniongear
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Chrisp......
No, it is not in that illustration.
See this one instead.
Remove items 1 and 2 and 3 and 4.(Item 3 is the spring and 4 is the ball.)
To install, insert the new ball.
Take a 3/16 flat nose punch and insert it after the ball.
Use a small hammer and give the punch a single very light tap. This seats the new ball in the pump body.
Insert the new spring and items 1 and 2 and you are done..........pg
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/29/2008 10:36:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: piniongear
Someone removed the tube. The tube is nothing more than a piece of metal tube with a flare on the nut end and opened at the other end. No mechanical things involved.
Don't try to drain oil out of the crankcase. Just run the engine and let it puke it out. ...........pg
In newer models (I think from -80 and up) that vent tube is moved to upper part of camcover and end of the tube/hose is attached to airbox (emissions??)
This only pukes oil to airfilter  as PG wrote run your engine regular bases and if needed change that spring and ball. This is "feature" not a fault
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RE: 1970's a puker - 5/30/2008 12:28:30 PM
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Hermit53
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That is the drive for a mechanical tach. Yours is just capped off. I take it you are running either no tach or an electric one. You can see my tach cable coming out in the pic below.
The "puke tube" they are referring to is this one.
Skinner
Yup, that's the puke tube alright, only my hose is gone so it pukes on my forward control bracket, my foot whatevers in the way. Hey, sounds like when I used to drink more than my gut could hold in. Should have a little gargoyle head off a new tube or something.
I have a place on top of the case too, think it's the tach one, nah don't need them fancy tach things on this rat. The one I was confused about is under the engine crankcase, Points forward, just looking to suck up some road grit. BTW, looks great! Hermit
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