just installed hack, not fun to ride

rhbuilds · #1 06-10-2008, 07:21 AM

After installing hack I took my son for a 15 min ride, I was beat. Itâ€™s so hard to turn. After getting back and looking at the setup in my garage I noticed that the bike has a slight lean towards the hack. And im sure when im on it /it get worse. Now I purchased the bike this was, means the previous owner rode it this way. It feels wrong. I would think the bike should be straight up/square to hack. I feel thatâ€™s why itâ€™s hard to steer. Anyone have a similar situation?

etreulich · #2 06-10-2008, 10:54 AM

The bike should lean out not in from the hack.Do you have a moco hack or an hd? I had a california sidecar with a tilt motor to trim it for the crown in the road (worked great)

rhbuilds · #3 06-10-2008, 11:28 AM

its a factory installed hd sidecar.

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valveguide · #5 06-10-2008, 08:31 PM

I really don't know what I am talking about with the sidecars , BUT , try riding once on the other side of the line in the road .&nbsp\\; Yeah , the wrong side of the street. &nbsp\\; I know the crown in the road can affect handling , at least on my voyager kit the crown does affect the ride a bit.&nbsp\\; I actually shimmed the kit to correct the occurence.&nbsp\\; But I ended up taking those shims out later , each road is different.

Again , I don't know what I am talking about , just some experience on this end ... &nbsp\\;&nbsp\\;

btefft · #6 06-13-2008, 06:56 PM

The bike should definitely lean away from the hack. That way it tends to lift the hack. The hack should also be slightly toed toward the bike, kinda pushing the bike to the left (that counters the "pull" of the hack). Fix that and try it again. I think you will see a tremendous improvement.

Your rig should not be hard to handle, steer, etc. Three months ago I rode mine to Texas and back (2,000 miles) and had no problems, no fatique, no aching arms, etc. If you get it attached right, it makes a big difference.

On a four lane highway, the lane you ride in definitely influences the handling of the hack. I favor the right hand lane, but move into the left one now and then, just for a different feel.

Hack

rhbuilds · #7 06-14-2008, 07:32 AM

great info,ill adjust and reply after done.

Bossman1 · #8 06-14-2008, 07:51 AM

My bro sidecar says adjustment and tight sterring damper should fix it. All adjustments are critical especially toe in on hack..

rhbuilds · #9 06-17-2008, 05:38 AM

i did all the adjustments i could do, there is no more turns on the bolt threads. its a lot better but it does not lean out, its straight up. it rides a lot better. i dont know whey we cant adjust anymore, its a factory installed hd hach. mayle its getting tired and thimgs are saging,worn from all there years (18).

btefft · #10 06-18-2008, 08:58 PM

Any chance on taking the "short" rod off and getting one made a bit longer to get the bike to lean out?&nbsp\\; Or having a machine shop extend the old one.

Hack