RE: 2007 Tranny problem!
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/30/2006 4:47:53 PM
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pittguy
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Lemon laws dont apply to rec.vehicles.Only way they will replace entire bike is if you have more problems and are on their butts about it.Professional help may be needed.This problem has the MOCO scratching their heads Im sure.Why dint this come up during the years testing?Sounds to me like an assy line problem or individual on line.Could also be something as simple as shimming,improper torquing,bad vendor shippment.My bike was suppose to be delivered 2 weeks ago and still no show.I hope this tranny thing is the cause.The glowing pipes is because these bikes are so lean,unless timing is off.The glowing pipes will cause valve issues next.Are these tranny issues on the touring models only?Is this a YORK problem.?If they dont get this under control,the 07s re going to the EDSELS and will be highly discounted to move them.The thought of backing out of my new one is starting.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 11:29:31 AM
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Hollywood
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I have a 2007 RG with the same problems, whining trans and some sort of slapping, knocking sound. I brought the bike in for the 1K service. They will be looking into the noise issue and also replacing my inner fairing which arrived with scratches. I the the MOCO has some serious QA problems. I'll let you know what they find.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 1:13:45 PM
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Marathon51
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FYI.. I have an 07 RK on order, due 9/14. Would be my first Harley. Just spoke to a guy who has an 07 RK and has had nothing but transmission problems, very unhappy. Time to re-evaluate my order.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 1:21:17 PM
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mp
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I just got an 07 RK and on the ride home I also noticed a 5th gear wine, but it never has sounded like someone beating on it or a coffee can of rocks. I had test drove the bike 30 miles before buying it, but never got above 50 because of breakin and so never got above 4th. On the ride home I finally hit 50 mile on the odometer and got to go 60 mph and grabbed 5th... oh the wining.
You're getting wine out of your tranny and you're complaining? Is it red or white? What kind of cheese goes with it?
By the way, to all who think 20w50 motor oil is too light for the transmission; 20w50 motor oil is about the same viscosity as 80w140 gear lube. However, I would use gear lube for gears and motor oil for motors. But the 20w50 is not a problem in a Harley transmission.
< Message edited by mp -- 8/31/2006 2:05:43 PM >
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 2:12:26 PM
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FatIndy
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I had a bolt come out in my transmission. Was telling them it did not sound right. They just told me to break it in bring it back at 1000. Well they found the bolt have now changed their tone. Now I am just waiting on the parts. Had to have the clutch assembly changed out.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 3:36:44 PM
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pittguy
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What bolt?Inner primary area?This is insane with what they are putting out and making the dealers deal with.Everyday Im leaning towards canceling my order.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 4:11:49 PM
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I did, cancelled my Ultra order yesterday.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 5:23:33 PM
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I just got home from my dealer. They have had my bike since Monday morning. The noise coming from mine has them scratching their heads. It was fine for about 150 miles after they put new tranny in. Now it is slaping something in 6th gear at about 2500 rpm's till about 3000 then I am going so fast I don't hear it. If I maintain that speed I will hear a siren shortly. As far as the red exhaust. They said they could not do anything about that and keep the EPA happy.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 6:52:12 PM
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SamFLHX
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Hello I Have a 2007 FLHX with about 600 Miles On it Now.I have had it in Twice for the Transmission Noise and was told to wait untill my 1000 mile check up. that Harley said it was normal....I also have the noise in 6th Gear that sounds Like something in the Motor but I can't be sure It could also Be the transmission . I am a Maintenance supervisor and work with gear boxes every day and If I had a machine that souded Like MY Transmission It would be going back to the vendorrigh away..I am very disapionted with this new Bike. My last Bike a 2002 FLHT was as good a bike as one could ask for The only reason for the new bike was for the 6th speed and 96cc motor...I thought it would be good to get a new Bike with the upgrades I wanted. But now I wish I had just kept the FLHT...OH well I am Just venting I hope Some how that Harley will fix the problems soon.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 9:11:15 PM
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Sam you are not alone with this problem. What you describe sounds the same as my '07. It seems the MoCo would give the dealers some kind of information about what is going on. It would be good to know someone was working on the problem. They might be waiting hoping it will go away. One thing for sure. if something doesn't happen soon this bike is going away from me!
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 8/31/2006 9:50:07 PM
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Richard
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I have a 07 street glide and have 350 miles and this thing is real noisey if you try to ride it like
it has a 5 speed...
Face it, the engine is Lugging.. Too high gear for the primary chain to stay taught untill it gets in the power band.
If I use 6th under 60mph, I have to be in the throttle, Coasting in 5th or 6th or for that matter any gear, it will lug if you
not in that gears power band..
Just will take some getting used to...
If it had a better primary chain tensioner, my theory solved.
But is there is some clearence issues in the trans, that's another problem.
Just glad it's under warrantee......lol
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/1/2006 5:29:23 AM
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Capt.Bob
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If it had a better primary chain tensioner, my theory solved.
What is wrong with it? Inquiring minds want to know.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/1/2006 5:26:50 PM
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GOBB
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I think the rattle is the new style of compensater thhat they put in these bikes. They always tell you to not lug the engine. i thought that is why you buy a long strock engine so you can lug them. I lug my old John Deere and it's great.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/1/2006 7:08:25 PM
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pittguy
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My 07 SG has no noise issues as of yet,nor excessive heat problems.Bike runs strong,no burps or decel issues.As of now its in stock form other than cosmetic add ons.No stage one,factory ecm settings.Dealer told me trans has red-something fluid.Forget what he called it.He told me that they have seen no trans complaints w/his prepped models as of yet.I have known this man for awhile and has never not upheld his end.Loose hardware,improper clearnces,bad assy line batch,assy line worker error,Monday builds,Friday afternnon builds,Im not sure.For me,so far so good.Hope this hold true w/others.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/5/2006 4:14:56 PM
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pittguy
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I may be wrong,but have yet to hear anything other than touring models having very noisey tranny gripes.Seems to be a YORK assemly line problem.Spoke to several dealers and all give you the shrugged shoulders,we havent had one come back yet bull.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/5/2006 4:34:03 PM
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I've got an 07 Electraglide and my 5th gear has been noisy since day one. I took it to my local dealer and complained about the noise and was told that it was 'normal'. I picked the bike up and rode it 210 miles home and was worried every time I was in 5th gear that it might blow. I would describe the sound as two gears in the tranny banging against each other.. like maybe they weren't shimmed right or the shift forks were out of adjustment. At 900 miles I changed the tranny fluid to Bel-Ray before going on a trip.. no change in the noise. After coming back from the trip I changed it again to HD Formula + Tranny and Primary Oil.. still no change.
I have noticed a few things now that I have around 3200 miles on the bike. 1. The noise is not that noticable until the tranny oil gets hot (around 15+ miles or 20 minutes) 2. If you keep the RPM's above 2400 and are accelerating the noise is not real bad. Putting Screamin Eagle II pipes on at 900 miles helped to mask the noise while accelerating.
Actually it seems like a Heat/viscosity issue for me.. based on the noise not really present until the bike is hot... that along with my front exhaust pipe different turning shades of dark yellow and blue all the way back to the muffler (was bad BEFORE the new SE Tips) along with the surging effect the bike has...like it is starving for fuel.
Lot's of issues for my local dealer to sort through
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/6/2006 2:22:39 AM
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I've got an 07 Electraglide and my 5th gear has been noisy since day one. I took it to my local dealer and complained about the noise and was told that it was 'normal'. I picked the bike up and rode it 210 miles home and was worried every time I was in 5th gear that it might blow. I would describe the sound as two gears in the tranny banging against each other.. like maybe they weren't shimmed right or the shift forks were out of adjustment. At 900 miles I changed the tranny fluid to Bel-Ray before going on a trip.. no change in the noise. After coming back from the trip I changed it again to HD Formula + Tranny and Primary Oil.. still no change.
I have noticed a few things now that I have around 3200 miles on the bike. 1. The noise is not that noticable until the tranny oil gets hot (around 15+ miles or 20 minutes) 2. If you keep the RPM's above 2400 and are accelerating the noise is not real bad. Putting Screamin Eagle II pipes on at 900 miles helped to mask the noise while accelerating.
Actually it seems like a Heat/viscosity issue for me.. based on the noise not really present until the bike is hot... that along with my front exhaust pipe different turning shades of dark yellow and blue all the way back to the muffler (was bad BEFORE the new SE Tips) along with the surging effect the bike has...like it is starving for fuel.
Lot's of issues for my local dealer to sort through
don't you love being a Product Tester?
I know I dont.
My 5th gear has either quieted down a little or i have gotten more used to it, but i cant get rid of that "clink" sound i get rattling around when i hit around 2800 rpm is either 4th, 5th or 6th gear. still afraid to ride the bike past 80mph, as that "clinking" sound gets worse if i try to go faster (happens more often, and makes me feel like i am hurting something). still unsure if it is the tranny or engine though...
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/6/2006 4:58:54 PM
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pittguy
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See if the trannys dipstick is still there.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/6/2006 10:36:22 PM
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My heritage is noisy in 5th, but its acceptable. 6th it goes away.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/6/2006 10:51:58 PM
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DougsDyna
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Whatever you do, don't run syn3 in the tranny (engine either for that matter). That syn3 crap will really make your tranny scream.
Run gear oil. Its made for the transmission.
My tranny has almost 10,000 on it (06 SG), I had harley put syn3 in at 1000 miles and think it was a big mistake.
I now run Mobile1 75W-90 in the tranny, and it is much quieter now. Does whine a little in first gear on the downshift.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/8/2006 1:18:03 PM
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I have an 2006 FXDI. and I have been very pleased with both the Engine and Transmission. Both are quiet and the power through the transmission is out of this world. I have had quite a few Harleys through the years, and this is the best one yet. I have been pleased with all my Harley's, but do notice a great improvement with each new model. I had my hearing tested, and they said my hearing was ultra sensitive. ( Lower than normal tones, everything in the normal tonal range, and above normal range. Yes I can hear the ground rumble and Navy's ULF transmissions, and Electronics stores the electronics components schreeching. So I can hear! Just remember in the end it is a Motorcycle, not an electric scooter. Even those Whir.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/9/2006 12:30:03 AM
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I purchased an 06 Dyna earlier this summer and I did notice some trans noise when new, when I read the posts in this thread I thought the noise people were describing on the new 07 Ultra's was greatly exaggerated, that was until I test drove one this evening for a 20 mile ride , the dealer has this 07 with 6600 miles on so it is well broken in and any wear in noise would be long gone, I currently have an 07 on order that I traded my 05 Ultra on. After driving the 07 this evening I'm not sure I want one. the 5th gear trans noise is terrible, you would think even straight cut gears would quiet down under load but the sound you hear reminds me of a kid with playing cards in his bicycle spokes. I thought the bike was gutless, handled very loose compared to my 05(yes it did have a brand new rear tire). The heat off of the engine was ridiculous, I could feel it on my ankles within the 1st mile or so even with the fairing lowers open and 70 degree weather, the pipes were colored from one end to the other under the shields and inside the ends of the mufflers (new commanding exhaust note my ass)it was rusty without even a hint of any burned fuel. Oh and I forgot to mention the whiring siren like sound when downshifting from high speed that sounded like it was coming from the primary and the slight surging at cruise speed much like my Dyna had before SERT tuning. I am actually going to ride my 05 to the dealer again tomorrow to ride them both on the same road to see just how much difference there is. At this point I am seriously thinking about keeping my 05, if they are all like this ,I will not trade down. I know I can make the engine better but I'm not so sure about the trans. Oh, one good thing, It has a better radio than my 05 and you will need it to cover up the trans noise.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/9/2006 6:02:01 PM
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pittguy
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This whole 07 tranny issues are pure BS.The factory didnt do any long term testing on these things or they rushed the whole thing thru.Eating dipsticks,whining,odd audile noises,poor castings that leak,whats next?The factory is still clueless on the causes.I seriously hope they have to change everyone thus built.The dealerships need to be stacked with models they have already sold.ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.This tranny has made me sorry I bought the bike.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 9/10/2006 6:34:36 AM
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There is a duplicate thread under touring models and in case some did not see my reply there, I'm reposting it here. Just hit 1000 on the bike and it is as bad as ever. Finally got a chance to do some real highway riding in 6th gear at speeds of 65-85. My sixth gear sucks royally. Very noisy and a vibaration that leaves ya tired after 30 or 40 miles. I love Harleys but I hate this f(%($) bike. Here is my repost.
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A rep at the MoCo in Milwaukee called me to discuss this problem. They admit the problem exists and I'm NOT talking about the whine in the Tranny. That whine is because 1st and 5th gears are cut gears and interface differently producing the whine. That I can live with. The clatter I can not. They said it is NOT the tranny but they don't know exactly what it is yet. They can produce the noise on any FL model. I asked how and got a laugh, won't tell me because then everyone will do it. The tranny on all 07's are the same including the Softails that don't seem to have the problem. As I understand it they can swap tranny's and the noise stays with the bike not the tranny. At this point I can't disprove their findings so I will believe them until there is some facts to prove them wrong. Hopefully they speak the truth.
I asked what it could be, what is different about the FL's than the others. The oil pan is larger, the exhaust is all new with new routings such as the cross member over the starter, the Softails have the 96B engine with a balanced flywheel (because the engine is not mounted on rubber) and something else I can't remember. None of which seem like they would be the cause, at least not to me. The MoCo has taken everyone off development and placed them on the problem so they consider this critical enough to invest that many resources. I asked for an estimate on when they would have a fix and was told if they knew that then they would know the cause. They said to keep in touch with your dealer because they will be notified as soon as they have a fix.
Keep in mind they are NOT fixing the whine which is inherent to the cut of the gears. They are trying to figure out the clatter. If I hear more I will update this.
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